preacherman Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] come on guys, lighten up! From time to time we all make bad decisions in life, whether it is in shooting a bow or something else. We are all human. [/ QUOTE ] Ordinarily, I would completely agree with you, but after re-reading the original post, I did not see any indication that he recognized that he had taken a bad shot. There are at least a few novices who are reading these posts and are forming opinions about shot selection and other subjects based on some of our discussions here. To let that shot selection go unchallenged would be the same as endorsing it. I think we owe it to our newbie members to point out bad info when we see it. Doc [/ QUOTE ] Sorry, I am not usually critical by nature, but this one has struck a nerve with me. You talk about newbies and needing to instruct them on the "right and wrong" shots...........how about the "right and wrong" attitudes toward our brothers in here. I just feel like there is no call to sit and bash him for what is done in the past. Sorry, again, no hard feelings this just stepped on one of my pet peeve nerves that I don't enjoy reading Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoyt03 Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO So whats the outcome? Hope you and the wifey both found your bucks. Dont let all this mumble jumble keep you away, nobody is perfect, we all love to hunt bottom line. Hope you got em and hope you let us know...its killing me lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO I'm hoping the fact that we haven't heard back from is not an indication that he didn't find his dream buck...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO [ QUOTE ] Sorry, I am not usually critical by nature, but this one has struck a nerve with me. You talk about newbies and needing to instruct them on the "right and wrong" shots...........how about the "right and wrong" attitudes toward our brothers in here. I just feel like there is no call to sit and bash him for what is done in the past. Sorry, again, no hard feelings this just stepped on one of my pet peeve nerves that I don't enjoy reading [/ QUOTE ] I do not think that bad info should go unchallenged for the reasons that I stated in my previous post. It may be that some don't understand the need or value of trying to correct this sort of thing for the sake of beginning bowhunters, but I believe it is important. Now, if you want to call this some sort of "bad" attitude toward our hunting brothers, perhaps you should consider the effect on our new hunting brothers when they try out a shot that they just heard about on our forum. Not too long ago, I read another post about a guy that took a risky shot on a deer and lost it. One of his comments was that he thought it was an ok shot because he had seen it on TV and the hunter supposedly got the deer. The point is that some of our messages and replies (rightly or wrongly) do have an effect on shots selections made by less experienced members, and we better be mindful of that. Now as far as your extended definition of the term "Bashing", I must point out that it is not bashing to disagree with things that we see here on this forum. This forum is a devise intended to express opinions, and as long as it is done in a civil manner, I would consider it to be the expression of opinion, not bashing. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Sorry, I am not usually critical by nature, but this one has struck a nerve with me. You talk about newbies and needing to instruct them on the "right and wrong" shots...........how about the "right and wrong" attitudes toward our brothers in here. I just feel like there is no call to sit and bash him for what is done in the past. Sorry, again, no hard feelings this just stepped on one of my pet peeve nerves that I don't enjoy reading [/ QUOTE ] I do not think that bad info should go unchallenged for the reasons that I stated in my previous post. It may be that some don't understand the need or value of trying to correct this sort of thing for the sake of beginning bowhunters, but I believe it is important. Now, if you want to call this some sort of "bad" attitude toward our hunting brothers, perhaps you should consider the effect on our new hunting brothers when they try out a shot that they just heard about on our forum. Not too long ago, I read another post about a guy that took a risky shot on a deer and lost it. One of his comments was that he thought it was an ok shot because he had seen it on TV and the hunter supposedly got the deer. The point is that some of our messages and replies (rightly or wrongly) do have an effect on shots selections made by less experienced members, and we better be mindful of that. Now as far as your extended definition of the term "Bashing", I must point out that it is not bashing to disagree with things that we see here on this forum. This forum is a devise intended to express opinions, and as long as it is done in a civil manner, I would consider it to be the expression of opinion, not bashing. Doc [/ QUOTE ] And to this I do say that this "expression of opinion" is one of the reasons that I left the Primos site. It got to where that it wasn't a family anymore because someone always had something bad to say about someone else........and my friend, that is just not right. Again, I am not trying to get in a peeing match with you........but this just bothered me. So I guess as you say, "I am just expressing my opinion" No Hard Feelings! Scott Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO Any word anyone. Hope he found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanH Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO He has not said so! I wanna know if you got that monster! LET US KNOW MAN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO [ QUOTE ] And to this I do say that this "expression of opinion" is one of the reasons that I left the Primos site. It got to where that it wasn't a family anymore because someone always had something bad to say about someone else [/ QUOTE ] I think that most of the replies have been relative to the shot selection and not "something bad to say about someone else". There has been no personal attacks on this hunter's character or even hunting abilities, only comments on the nature of the shot that he took. If we are so thin-skinned that we cannot take such comments in the constructive spirit in which they are made, then perhaps the sensitivity level is adjusted just a bit high. You know, even "family" members learn from constructive criticism and seldom shrink from expression of opinion. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO Constructive criticism is a good thing. It's a simple matter of politely pointing out the error of an action and then trying to repair the psyche of the person who made the error in judgment, so they don't become discouraged, because of their mistakes in judgment. canine feels bad enough about the choice he made on that shot and is kicking his own butt hard enough for making it. I already know the outcome of his shot and the follow-up, but he said he would tell you guys the story, so I'll let him do that. I think he's heard enough constructive and otherwise criticism, so let's try to build his confidence back up instead of tearing it down further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanH Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO What buckee said! But i still wanna know if he found him or not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO [ QUOTE ] Constructive criticism is a good thing. It's a simple matter of politely pointing out the error of an action and then trying to repair the psyche of the person who made the error in judgment, so they don't become discouraged, because of their mistakes in judgment. canine feels bad enough about the choice he made on that shot and is kicking his own butt hard enough for making it. I already know the outcome of his shot and the follow-up, but he said he would tell you guys the story, so I'll let him do that. I think he's heard enough constructive and otherwise criticism, so let's try to build his confidence back up instead of tearing it down further. [/ QUOTE ] Ditto......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Black_Rack Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO Arg.....I need to know...that bad boy had to have toppled. Last year I made a shot like that at 35 and gave him about 4 hrs found him no more than 50 yards away. Good Luck buddy!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut-Nut Posted October 27, 2004 Report Share Posted October 27, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO Man, I can't believe so many would take a shot like this! I passed on the biggest buck I ever saw while archery hunting about 5 years ago because it came in straight behind me, walked right next to my tree and literally walked under my stand and then walked absolutely streaight away from me. If that thing had turned at all, and gave me a hard quartering away shot, I would have released. But it didn't .........and I didn't!!!! Rather let it walk to live another day, than to take the chance of dying a slow death in some Mt. Laurel thicket, never to be seen again. I took a questionable shot on a forkhorn some years back and learned a valuable lesson. I ended up recovering the buck with the arrow still lodged in it, but was very LUCKY to find that deer. One of the hardest tracking jobs and an even harder drag. I'll never do that agian!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Addct2hntng Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO well bud Im glad you were able to see him and know he is alive !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO I've got that video of Stan Potts taking that shot and his exact words are, "I had to take that shot, that deer is huge". I couldn't believe he took that shot. But, he found that buck. I've taken more head on/quartering towards me shots than a quartering away shot and had great success with them. JMO, I'd rather have an arrow going into vitals sooner than later in the kenetic energy loss. But this is a different subject. Let's just let things calm down on this and maybe he'll come back and give us an update on the either of the bucks. Remeber, it only take one bad shot of a lifetime, to give a lifetime of lessons learned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO It sounds like everything has turned out ok. And you also put in a thorough effort in the search. It is a relief that the deer is probably going to survive ok and perhaps you will get another crack at it. I was concerned about the fact that your initial post contained no acknowledgement that the shot selection was poor, but the record has now been set straight on that matter. [ QUOTE ] Knowing I was busted and realizing I had one shot I had recently seen a couple videos in which similar shots were made with the arrow going all the way in. [/ QUOTE ] This was exactly my concern. Just as your shot selection was determined by uncorrected bad information from a video, we must also recognize that others can be influenced by uncorrected bad info on this forum. I do hope that none of this has been taken personally. My comments were meant to be instructive and were made in the spirit of letting other members know that that shot is a very low percentage shot and should absolutely be avoided regardless of the temptation. I know that we all occasionally make bad choices. Heck, I've certainly made my share. But, what is important is how, and to who, we relate those encounters. I know you would not want to be responsible for causing someone to take a risky shot based on something you had written and I am glad the now that the subject has been just beat right to death, the record is straight. Now that you know this critter is in the area, I hope you get another chance at him. He sounds like he is definitely worth the effort. He's not likely to completely vacate the area, so depending on how much season you have left, you may be able to get set up on him again. Good luck. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanH Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO kEEP YOUR HEAD UP MAN! I JUST HOPE YOU GET ANOTHER CRACK AT HIM!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO Sorry to hear you didn't get him but good to hear he's still out there to give you another chance later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO [ QUOTE ] Had it been an average 130 class buck I would have let him walk. [/ QUOTE ] Is this due to the size of the rack or the shot that was offered? You make it sound like since it was such a big buck it was worth the risk. Personally, I am just the opposite. I would take a more chanchy shot at a doe or small buck. If it is a big boy, I have way too much respect for the animal to risk a bad shot. Yes, I have passed up bucks that were much bigger than anything I had killed before, as the shot was not perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO It does not matter the size of the buck, the shot choice should be the same. While we have all made bad shots (if you haven't, just keep hunting and it will happen), not all of us have made a poor choice on shot selection. If a poor shot choice is made and it results in a recoverable kill, that does not mean that the end justifies the means. Hopefully the buck will survive the shot and perhaps offer a better opportunity in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rut-Nut Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: I STUCK AN ABSOLUTE HOG TONIGHT!! WIFE SHOT ONE TO TO me, and I repeat- TO ME, it doesn't matter if it was a monster or a scraggly looking little spike, A BAD SHOT IS A BAD SHOT. I won't take any shot where the vitals are not TOTALLY exposed!!!! But that's me- we're all big boys and have to make our own decisions! "nuff said!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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