spyderpancake Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 This has come up several times in the last few days so I wanted to see what your views are on this subject. Several people have claimed that the Bible is fiction. In school, i learned that fiction is something that never happened, or fantasy. So are you saying that nothing in the Bible is true. That Jesus or any of the other people never even existed? I'm a little bit confused, explain your point of view please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Personally i think the writing of the bible are embellished, falsified, and mythical accounts of stories passed down. Can i prove this... no more or less that anyone can prove it is a true and factualy historical account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] This has come up several times in the last few days so I wanted to see what your views are on this subject. [/ QUOTE ] Yep, the bible beaters are asking a few questions! I thought they knew it all. If not, they just reference verse so-and-so and claim it as truth. So Jesus, please stop by. I'd like to talk......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? I don't claim that they never existed, but I (like fisherguy) think there is some serious embellishment involved. Do I think Jesus was crucified? Possibly. Do I think Jesus was resurrected? No. Do I think Jesus was a mortal man? Yes. Rather than me constantly being asked to justify my existance, why don't some of you christians give a logical reason to believe the bible is true other than 'the bible says'. I could go around quoting Stephen King novels all the time and no matter how much I do, Pet Cemetary, Cujo and Carrie are all fictitious. Remember, Michael Moore's films are supposedly true. I never hear any christian citing any proof other than what has been drummed into their heads for years. At least I have taken the time to question what I have learned rather than accepting it based on a book that was written by mortal men and was changed everytime it was translated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] Yep, the bible beaters are asking a few questions! I thought they knew it all. [/ QUOTE ] They thought we'd give up by now, not realising we believe what we believe as strongly as they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Here's a couple of interesting links you might like to read through. If not, well that's your decision. http://www.rbc.org/ds/q0402/point3.html http://www.exchangedlife.com/Creation/evol-fact.htm http://www.souldevice.org/christian_science.html http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml Lets reason together. I think one of the apostles said that once too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] I never hear any christian citing any proof other than what has been drummed into their heads for years. At least I have taken the time to question what I have learned rather than accepting it based on a book that was written by mortal men and was changed everytime it was translated. [/ QUOTE ] I question all the time Uncle Steven. Personally, I come down to this: There must be a reason for us. How did this grand scheme come together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? I personally do not believe that the original writings were fiction in any way form or fashion, however they have been translated over and over to fit mans needs. I doubt that what God inspired the creators of the books of the bible to write are true to the word in todays bibles. You also have to realize and remember that man was inspired to write these books. The influence of man may or may not make for some inconsistencies in some of the writings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? I believe that the Bible is the true, inspired Word of God. I believe that all accounts in the Bible are true and actually happened. I believe that Jesus died and rose from the grave. And to take the one step further, I believe that He is coming back one day. How do I know that all of this is true........I take it by faith! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christsavedme Posted June 19, 2005 Report Share Posted June 19, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] I believe that the Bible is the true, inspired Word of God. I believe that all accounts in the Bible are true and actually happened. I believe that Jesus died and rose from the grave. And to take the one step further, I believe that He is coming back one day. How do I know that all of this is true........I take it by faith! [/ QUOTE ] Well said my brother....well said.....See you on the other side! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Yes, the Bible is true. One of the first things brought to my attention was that old book of books. There comes a time within the life of everyone that no friend can be depended upon, and he is left entirely to his own resources. The Bible is that resource that I have relied on and will continue to rely on as my rule and guide for my faith and practice. It guides me to all truth, directs my path down the highway of happiness, and points out to me the whole duty of mankind. This book contains the mind of God, the state of mankind, and the way to salvation. It points out the doom of sinners and the happiness of believers. Its doctrines are holy, its precepts are binding, its histories are true, and its decisions are unchanged. I have faith that a person can read it to be wise, believe it to be safe, and practice it to be holy. It furnishes light to guide me, strength to support me, and comfort to cheer me. Through it, heaven is opened, paradise restored, and the gates of Hades disclosed. It was furnished to us in life to prepare us for the judgment. It is our choice; and as we choose, we also choose our own destiny. In prosperity or in adversity, I will never forget it. When at last my trembling hands drop forever the grasp of this terrestrial life, I hope to hear from Him who sits as the supreme judge, the welcome words. ”Well done my good and faithful servant; you have been faithful over a few things; I will make you ruler over many things. Enter now into the joy of thy Lord.” Yes, I believe the Bible is true. This last week I have read the many post and replies and must admit that I am disappointed and disillusioned by some of our forum members. It is your own choice to make. You do not believe, and do not want those who do believe, to pray for you. Not long ago, I read here of a kindly older gentleman who passed away. The writer mentioned that the old gent, (his grandfather), never went to sleep at night feeling guilty for anything he had prayed about. I can just about guarantee that the writer was mentioned in many of the old gent’s prayers. I will continue to believe what I believe, and allow you to believe what you believe without me interfering with my prayers, and I will not say anything more. …..popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadHuntinPastor Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? I would rather just testify to what has happened in me than argue about the truth of the Bible. (which has tons of evidence of being historically correct)Jesus has changed my life. I feel Him and talk with Him. You can call me crazy....but I know what I feel. Next time you have a headache try and prove it to me that you aren't just making it up and/or just a radical headache fanatic believer. Same thing I can only testify to what has happened in me. It is your choice to believe it or not. If I'm wrong about this Bible/Jesus/God thing.....well I've still lived my life and not missed out on much. If I'm correct though....I'm going to heaven forever!! If you unbelievers are correct then...Oh well....had a good life.....now it's over and we all are dead. If you are wrong............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Theres that ever present "you have more to lose than me" of "you're going to ****" argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? I've read the bible, stories are pretty far fetched in some spots. But then again it has helped me in some tough times. I don't believe the bible word for word. That would be silly. There's no actual hard core proof, i see the bible as an extended metaphor in spots. But then again its a Religon or a Faith. I believe in in jesus. i figure i should if i don't wanna end up in **** if there is that chance that this stuff is real. But then again you look at all these religons. Who's right and wrong? Alot of times i figure religon was used to explain events unexplainable by early man's brain. But thats just me talkin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Have you ever looked at an ant hill and thought that they figure they are the only ones in existance..??? Now step back and look at earth....This all just happened by "chance"??? somehow a big "bang" created this out of nothing?? The evidence is all around you, and in you with the very air you breath! You are the evidence, it stares back at you every morning in the mirror!! You know..we were all taught history in school...I guess since that was just written by man, it must not be correct either then, and thats all just a good read, all the wars are just someones imagination, we never discovered America, we never went to the moon, Kennedy never got shot,space shuttle never blew up on lift off....nor disintegrated on reentry, heck 911 never happened!! heck, we cant beleive that man could keep an acurate record of events, we know how flawed of thinking that is!! Well, the truth of the matter is folks.....We are all living on borrowed time, time is a never ending sequence, past, present, future......you will spend eternity somewhere.....just where is your decision,I know where Im headed, by the grace of God who owns everything( he's the one who was taken out of most our history books, by man), the Bible still includes Him in it, which is our most accurate history book inspired by His spirit so "man"would have a guide in which how we should best live our life. NON_FICTION Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] Theres that ever present "you have more to lose than me" of "you're going to ****" argument. [/ QUOTE ] Argument? Fact? Fiction? Like I said in the other post, you believe what you believe........let me believe what I want and choose to believe and we will leave the results up to our Maker! P.S. Don't believe MadHuntinPastor ever said "You have more to lose than me" or "you're going to ****"..........please don't misunderstand me, I don't have a beef with you, but if you are going to quote, then at least quote what the person says in the context in which it was written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Mostley if not all fiction...But hey,,thats me. Eveloution makes more sense to me at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? An extremely book on this topic is "Evidence That Demands a Verdict" by Josh McDowell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? I was going to try and stay out of most of these religious threads that have popped up recently, preferring instead to sit back and just read, but I figured I would weigh in on this one. I used to believe like many of the others on here, that the bible was the infallible, unmistakeable, accurate account of everything that has happened for the last 10000-15000 years. Needless to say I don't believe that anymore. A post was made earlier about recent history being recorded by man and how it must be false because it was written by man, well, they didn't have 24 hour cable news back then where everyone in the world knew exactly what was happening minutes or seconds after it happened, in fact, if an ant hill is in the middle of a forest, then, yes, those ants probably do think they are the only one's in existence. Much like 15000 years ago or so, whoever wrote Genesis, their knowledge was limited to what they knew at the time, how else are they going to explain how they came to be. It is much easier to say that God created a garden in a desert, created every animal in existence, created man and then a woman from a mans rib, then say 1 billion years ago there was a massive explosion that created earth and so on and so on. Man's comprehension of things was limited to his own intelligence at the time, which wasn't much. Do I believe that the billions of people in this world today sprang from the offspring of two people in a garden, absolutely not. Do I believe that Noah and his family built a big ship and only took his family and two of every animal on that ship, and that they repopulated the world after the flood waters receded,absolutely not, but the story of Noah also resembles the story of the same time period of a Sumerian king who loaded up all his earthly possessions when the Nile flooded and he floated down the river until it was safe to land somewhere. I believe most of the Old Testament to be a mixture of accurate ancient history, because some things can be proven, for example, my cousin is a biblical archaeologist and he sent my mother some broken pottery pieces from the ancient city of Hazor that he helped excavate, the same city that the bible says Joshua ransacked. But I also believe that the Old Testament contains a lot of tribal folklore passed down from generation to generation. On to the New Testament, first off, I do believe Jesus Christ existed, and not just because of faith, but because there are secular records of his living also, Jocephus for one. Do I believe that Jesus performed miracles, yes, much the same way that God performs miracles through his servants today, do I believe that he was the manifestation of God in the bodily form, I used to, but not so sure now. Was he crucified, absolutely, secular records also prove that, was he resurrected, God only knows. I also have issues with what happened to the New Testament after it was compiled, because hey, we all know that it wasn't written as it happened right? we all know that right? Unlike modern history that is written as it happens, the story of Jesus life wasn't written until 50 years after his death, maybe thats way there are so many contradictions between Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. As far as it's accuracy, I have to dispute that on the basis of proof that it was changed to suit the needs of the early "Christian" leaders like Emperor Constantine, remember, he was the one who changed the Holy Roman Empires "official" religion to Christianity for profit, he was the one who changed the pagan holidays into "Christian" ones, remember, when you send your kids out on an Easter egg hunt during Sunday school, they are paying tribute to the Roman fertility goddess. Another thing that the New Testament focuses a lot on is prophecy, but amazingly a lot of the "prophecy" in there was fulfilled many many years ago, I have a bible somewhere that lists them, also, I saw an interesting program the other night talking about Revelation, and they bring up the number 666, how is it in the bible, "his number was 6 thousanf times 6 thousand time 6." Well, they claim in this program that in biblical times, an interesting "game" or code that the Jews enjoyed during their time of Roman occupation from assigning numbers to names and letters. If you take the number 666 using an ancient hebrew alphabet, you come up with "Nero", the evil Roman emperor Nero, maybe thats who they were calling a beast, but here's the kicker, an ancient translation of Revelation was found with that particlur passage, the number in that passage was 661. I can't remember the particular emperor that number correlated out to, but it also proves another point. A human being is not infallible, he makes mistakes, what is the right number in this case for the mark of the beast, is it 666, or 661? I will end with this. 500 years ago the earth was flat and the earth was the center of the universe,(remember, people were persecuted for saying otherwise, by the church no less) imagine what we'll know 500 years from now. 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DWC Posted June 20, 2005 Report Share Posted June 20, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? how many people have come to accept christ while tring to prove that the bible was false far to many for me to know about off the top of my head, but there are some who are well know christian speakers today who try to disprove it and gave there heart and soul to christ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted June 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? Well I better give my point of view as I started this topic! I believe that the Bible is the God-breathed Infallible Word of God. I believe that everything that it says happened, happened. I believe that all humans came from Adam and Eve. I believe that Noah built an ark and that humanity was wiped out besides him and his family and that we are all his descendents. I believe that Jonah was actually swallowed by a whale. I believe all these things that are hard to believe. I don't believe that there is one single error in the King James Bible. I have seen God work in my life enough to know that He is real. I know of lots of people who were die-hard atheists or just agnostics, but came to Jesus and their lifes were changed. But I don't know of one person who was a true Christian, who had a real relationship with Christ, who turned to Atheism afterwards. I'm telling you, once you get it, you don't want to go back!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] But I don't know of one person who was a true Christian, who had a real relationship with Christ, who turned to Atheism afterwards. I'm telling you, once you get it, you don't want to go back!!! [/ QUOTE ] Well, not the atheism part, but more agnostic than anything else nowadays, nice to meet ya!! And to think, I almost became a Pentecostal preacher, but there are too many contradictions in the bible for me to be able to stand up in front of a group of people and tell them that everything in the bible is word for word true, not to mention that 5 Billion people coming from 2 is statistically impossible over 12,000 years, plus, isn't there something in the bible about incest being wrong, because if two people populated the world, that is some hardcore incest going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] Theres that ever present "you have more to lose than me" of "you're going to ****" argument. [/ QUOTE ] It's a good argument ****'s a bad place, we don't want you to be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] Mostley if not all fiction...But hey,,thats me. Eveloution makes more sense to me at this time. [/ QUOTE ] So where are all the skeletons from all these "missing links"? Most bioligist will tell you when backed into a corner that there is absolutely no real evidence that evilution is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction? [ QUOTE ] So where are all the skeletons from all these "missing link [/ QUOTE ] Who needs skeletons. I'm sure I don't have to tell you what mammal.....besides humans are the only ones to menstrate every 28 days, like humans, as well as carry a pregnancy to term for 40 weeks, like humans. Why look for skeletons when the "missing links" are walking around with their opposable thumbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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