The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction?


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Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction?

What about all those pre-human bones?

A Biblical explaination of pre-human or human-like bones can be found with the Nephilim, a mixed human creature mentioned in the Bible, however many bone discoveries have peen proven to have non-human origins.

NEBRASKA MAN: This amazing discovery was found to be nothing more than a pig's tooth.

LUCY: The remains of Lucy have been reclassified as an extinct ape.

PILTDOWN MAN: These bones were proven to be a deliberate hoax. A human skull was attached to an ape jaw and weatherd to look old.

RAMAPITHECUS: These bones were found to be from an orangutan.

JAVA MAN: These bones were found to be the remains of an ape and human mixed together. Its discoverer later rejected his find.

PEKING MAN: Again, a mixup of human and ape bones. They were found together because the humans were eating the brains from the ape.

Don't all 'real scientists' believe in evolution?

The following is a list of scientists of the past and present who believed in creation:

Isaac Newton (dynamics, calculus)

Lewis Pasteur (bacteriology, pasteurization, biogenesis Law)

Blaise Pascal (barometer, hydrostatics, Pascal's Law)

Michael Faraday (Farad, electric generator)

Lord Kelvin (thermodynamics, energetics, Kelvin Scale)

Leonardo DaVinci (hydraulics, engineer, artist)

Samuel Morse (telegraph, Morse Code)

Gregor Mendel (genetics, Mendel's Law)

George Washington Carver (inventor)

Kurt Wise, Ph.D. (Harvard paleontology)

D.B. Gower, Ph.D. (biochemistry, University of London)

John Ambros Fleming (electronics, physics, Fleming Valve)

..............

Are there scientists alive today who accept the biblical account of creation?

Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.

Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist

Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics

Dr James Allan, Geneticist

Dr Steve Austin, Geologist

Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist

Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist

Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert

Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics

Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist

Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology

Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology

Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist

Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology

Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry

Dr David R. Boylan, Chemical Engineer

Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics

Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)

Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics

Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics

Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering

Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering

Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist

Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education

Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering

Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist

Dr Bob Compton, DVM

Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist

Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist

Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics

Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering

Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist

Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging

Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist

Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany

Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics

Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry

Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education

Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience

Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div

Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist

Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research

Dr André Eggen, Geneticist

Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics

Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy

Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology

Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry

Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology

Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science

Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research

Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist

Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist

Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist

Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist

Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist

Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist

Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher

Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics

Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist

Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist

Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist

Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer

Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy

Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist

Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy

Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service

Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist

Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science

Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry

Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist

Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist

Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology

George T. Javor, Biochemistry

Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist

Dr Arthur Jones, Biology

Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon

Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist

Prof. Leonid Korochkin, Molecular Biology

Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics

Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist

Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology

Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry

Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry

Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry

Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science

Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry

Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering

Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science

Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering

Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist

Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology

Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology

Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry

Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics

Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology

Prof. John Lennox, Mathematics

Dr John Leslie, Biochemist

Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics

Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist

Dr Alan Love, Chemist

Dr Ian Macreadie, molecular biologist and microbiologist:

Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist

Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher

Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemist

Dr John McEwan, Chemist

Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics

Dr David Menton, Anatomist

Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist

Dr John Meyer , Physiologist

Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator

Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical engineer and Dentist

Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist

Dr John D. Morris, Geologist

Dr Len Morris, Physiologist

Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist

Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering

Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher

Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher

Prof. John Oller, Linguistics

Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology

Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner

Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist

Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)

Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon

Prof. Richard Porter

Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist

Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.

Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics

Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology

Dr David Rosevear, Chemist

Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology

Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist

Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist:

Dr Ian Scott, Educator

Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic physicist

Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry

Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science

Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics

Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist

Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer

Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist

Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist

Dr Andrew Snelling , Geologist

Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science

Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology

Prof. James Stark , Assistant Professor of Science Education

Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer

Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry

Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics

Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics

Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics

Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry

Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist:

Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science

Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist

Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist

Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist

Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer

Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist

Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient Historian (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)

Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics

Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist

Dr Carl Wieland, Medical doctor

Dr Lara Wieland, Medical doctor

Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and archaeologist

Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist

Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist

Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics

Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering

Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics

Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology

Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist

Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography

Dr Henry Zuill, Biology

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Re: The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction?

I believe the bible has the FACTS already written. So God didn't give us all the details...so what.

The entire Bible was written over a 1500 year span.

The Bible contains 66 books written by over 40 different authors, each inspired to write by the Holy Spirit. The authors were from all walks of life: shepherds, farmers, tent-makers, physicians, fishermen, priests, philosophers and kings. Despite these differences in occupation and the span of years it took to write it, the Bible is an extremely cohesive and unified book.

The Bible has been translated into over 1,200 languages

The Bible was the first book ever printed. In 1454, Johannes Gutenberg invented the "type mold" print press and began to print the Bible. Life Magazine called this the single most important event of the second millennium.

The book of Isaiah is constructed much like the entire Bible.

**Bible: 66 books.

**Isaiah: 66 chapters.

**Bible: First 39 books mainly concern Isreal.

**Isaiah: First 39 chapters mainly concern Isreal.

**Bible: Last 27 books concern the life and coming of Jesus Christ.

**Isaiah: Last 27 chapters concern the life and coming of Jesus Christ.

The first ever vocal radio broadcast on December 24, 1906

consisted of a reading from Luke chapter two.

We take so much for granted in todays world. Many of us look at the bible as just another book. Study it's history and you will see that is is much more than "just a book". It is the Word of God, and Jesus is the Living Word of God (the word, made flesh)

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fisherguy,

No you don't have too. The weak ones try the hardest to prove they think they are right. Humans need something to grasp on to even if it's "wishful thinking."

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OH you silly puppy...LOL grin.gif

Yes, I am weak, and He is strong.

And I don't waste my time on here for my own benefit.

Would it be better or more fitting if I said "I wash my hands of you"? frown.gifcrazy.gif

God sure has a lot more patience than I do ...whew

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i just read that list...buckee you should have proof read...there is a philosopher in it. lol Ok, i just had to laugh at that one...done with this thread now..nobody's mind is going to be changed, and most people aren't even going to listen to others arguments anymore. (as evident by the way this thread has turned personal)

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Evolution is fact. I'm christian and can't deny this. You said that those Hominoids were merely apes.... duh.. what do you thing you are lol. What about all those books in the bible that the chatholic church threw out centuries ago. Some had to do about dragons and weird stuff like that. I'm christan, I believe there is some god.

What about that big flood.... there's no possible way that there was a flood that coverd the earth, and there's no geological evidence supporting it. The bible is not absolute fact. Basicaly is a series of metaphors for man to chew and decide how to live their life.

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BTW Many of my answers come from my sister who has 2 PHD's one in Micro Biology and the other Animal science. I'm guessing she probibly knows more than you about the subject even with your extensive resurch in biology 101.

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John, your sister may have a degree but Im getting the feeling your twisting anything around shes told you just for the sake of argument, or maybe just because your to closed minded to consider anyone elses ideas could be correct.

Theres evidence that supports evolution everywhere you look.Theres not much evidence around that supports the bible other then man made writings and man made religous artifacts.There should be some trace of these things if they can find dinosaur bones that date back to before Christ.Why is it everyone but you should have to come up with evidence to support thier theories but when they do you can dismiss them that easily?

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Evolution is fact. I'm christian and can't deny this. You said that those Hominoids were merely apes.... duh.. what do you thing you are lol. What about all those books in the bible that the chatholic church threw out centuries ago. Some had to do about dragons and weird stuff like that. I'm christan, I believe there is some god.

What about that big flood.... there's no possible way that there was a flood that coverd the earth, and there's no geological evidence supporting it. The bible is not absolute fact. Basicaly is a series of metaphors for man to chew and decide how to live their life.

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If there was no Flood, then why are there seashells all over the place, even on mountaintops? And that would be one reason there are so many fossils-rapid covering of carcasses and then extreme pressure by water on top would form them. How do you think those dinosaur fossils were formed. The skeletons laid on the ground until a layer of soil came over it and fossilized it?

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If there was no Flood, then why are there seashells all over the place, even on mountaintops?

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Then there was the ice age when all the glaciers were moving around the continent, picking things up and depositing them somewhere else, gouging out lakes and things.Its the same reason you can find rocks around here that have no geological reason to be here.

And a lotta the seashells found in strange places are actually from freshwater animals, clams, snails, things like that.Theres a lotta places even on top of mountains and things that held water at one point in time and dont now.The town i live in was at one point in time a huge lake but its been broken down into many smaller bodies of water and a lotta those have since been tiled out.Theres lots of ways shells could wind up somewhere without the entire earth neccassarily flooding out to get them there

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? And that would be one reason there are so many fossils-rapid covering of carcasses and then extreme pressure by water on top would form them. How do you think those dinosaur fossils were formed. The skeletons laid on the ground until a layer of soil came over it and fossilized it?

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what about that point? how else would we have so many well-preserved fossils? I mean, how how else would eggs be preserved unless there was some MAJOR geological event that covered them in mud and then there was enough pressure the fossilize them?

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BTW Many of my answers come from my sister who has 2 PHD's one in Micro Biology and the other Animal science. I'm guessing she probibly knows more than you about the subject even with your extensive resurch in biology 101.

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John, your sister may have a degree but Im getting the feeling your twisting anything around shes told you just for the sake of argument, or maybe just because your to closed minded to consider anyone elses ideas could be correct.

Theres evidence that supports evolution everywhere you look.Theres not much evidence around that supports the bible other then man made writings and man made religous artifacts.There should be some trace of these things if they can find dinosaur bones that date back to before Christ.Why is it everyone but you should have to come up with evidence to support thier theories but when they do you can dismiss them that easily?

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I disagree. I have seen nothing that can substantively support evilution. The fact that there are species that no longer exist doesn't prove anything except that they are extinct.

I didn't realize that the results of a doctoral dissertation didn't count as proof. Maybe I should ask an 8th grade science teacher with a bachelors degree, I'm sure they would know the real answer.

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So wheres all your evidence supporting the bible?There should be arks, grails, stone tablets, that sorta thing.Everything thats been documented was documented by man, and its been changed over the years every time its been re written.The various religions we have today cant even agree on what a lot of it really means.Everyones got thier own interpratation of it.

So again I gotta ask, why should everyone but you have to come up with evidence supporting thier claims?

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John, having a doctorate doesn't automatically give you credibility. THere are people with PHD's who have done dissertations on things such as alien's being the founders of earth, and homosexuality being genetic and normal. Now just because they have a PHD, and did a dissertation on it, do you agree with it, or give it credibility...i am guessing not.

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All you people need to do is believe in what you believe in. There's so many beliefs out there in the world. People fight and die over religion all the time overseas. Now we are fighting over, if there ever was a Christ. I believe there was and that's my belief. If anyone wants to question it go right ahead. I know there is a Christ because of all the Miracles that has happened to my family and me. I have ahd open heart operation when i was only 3. The doctors told my mother I wouldn't see my 6th birthday. I am now 21. Christ kept me alive because he has a plan for me. I know he does. I don't go to church at all, and I haven't picked a bible up for a long time. That doesn't mean I don't believe in God and Jesus because I do. Jesus loves me and I love Jesus.

This is what I believe in. You do not need to question someone's faith.

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here's the deal! If it were fiction and you lived your whole life by the Bibles rules what have you lost? If it is non -fiction and you choose to ignore it! WHAT HAVE you lost? lets just say I've burned toast that is in better shape than you will be!

personally I don't know how any one can look at a child and not believe in God!

there is the living miracle right there!

just my 2cents.

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one more thing! reguardless of wether or not everything in the Bilbe is accurate doesn't matter much! what does matter is one phrase!

Christ said" who soever believes in me shall not parish but have ever lasting life"!

that is the only part you have to get right ! just believing! Like I said if you believe and are wrong you've lost nothing!

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Evolution is fact. I'm christian and can't deny this. You said that those Hominoids were merely apes.... duh.. what do you thing you are lol. What about all those books in the bible that the chatholic church threw out centuries ago. Some had to do about dragons and weird stuff like that. I'm christan, I believe there is some god.

What about that big flood.... there's no possible way that there was a flood that coverd the earth, and there's no geological evidence supporting it. The bible is not absolute fact. Basicaly is a series of metaphors for man to chew and decide how to live their life.

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If there was no Flood, then why are there seashells all over the place, even on mountaintops? And that would be one reason there are so many fossils-rapid covering of carcasses and then extreme pressure by water on top would form them. How do you think those dinosaur fossils were formed. The skeletons laid on the ground until a layer of soil came over it and fossilized it?

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Hmm... this is one of the more ignorant things I've read in awhile. You say there was a big flood that coverd the earth, beacause there are seashells found all over the world. Well heres a geology lesson for you. Right underneath your feet. Your sitting on a Giant, huge, massive, rock. techtonic plate as they call them in accretided universities. and plates shift. Not fast like tommorow.. but maybe in like millions of tommorows all combined to form years. The sea shell that is sitting on the bottom of the sea dead.. is being moved and pushed little by little. It then over millions of years is finaly pushed into a growing landmass like a continent. Or, and in the desert southwest's case. the plates have bumped together raiseing the land out of the ocean, forming moutains. I suppose you don't know there is a subduction zone right off the coast of california where the North American and Pacific plate meet together. the pacific is getting smaller, while on the other end of our nation.. the Atlantic is growing. Dinosaur Fossils were formed under perfect conditions. Dinosaurs that died and their bones were lucky enough to be coverd by a Pre-Historic river, or a slideing landmass. If there was a flood of that magnitude, dinosaur bones would be in our backyards and we would be digging them up every day. The dinosaurs were killed by a Asteriod. Its Crater can be found of the Yucatan Peninsula. I could write a paper on this stuff. I should. But I won't. The Knowledge is there for people to find but many don't want to pull their heads out of the sand and look arround at all the Science and hard proof that you as americans are so lucky to posess. As i Said. I Believe tehre is a god, and jesus. But the Bible was written by the sinful man. Who may not have written gods word exactly as he would have liked. And many of the stoires are to be chewed and thought out as a way for man to live.

Theres manythings I feel science can't explain. I could list a few but i won't

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