The Bible- Fiction or Non-fiction?

[py_archer]

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Anyone who doesn't believe in a supreme being needs to spend more time in the outdoors. People that know I hunt sometimes ask me how I can shoot "such a lovely creature?". It says in the bible that to kill another human being is a sin. Why? Because man has a soul that God didn't give the other animals. Yes I said "the other animals". Let me explain. Not too long after scientist successfully fertilized a human embryo with the semen from an ape the Vatican changed their stance on the theory of evolution, essentialy accepting it. The document itself is in latin. Do a search (Pope theory of evolution) and you can see it for yourself. I agree with it.

Here is my understanding of what the Pope said;

[when man evolved enough to begin to worship his creater that was when God gave man a soul and that, it was Gods way that man evolve from dust]

I have decided that the purpose in life is children and the meaning of life is God sharing his love for us with the gift of life on Earth.

[buckee]

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Hmm... this is one of the more ignorant things I've read in awhile. You say there was a big flood that covered the earth, because there are seashells found all over the world. Well heres a geology lesson for you. Right underneath your feet. Your sitting on a Giant, huge, massive, rock. techtonic plate as they call them in accretided universities. and plates shift. Not fast like tommorow.. but maybe in like millions of tommorows all combined to form years. The sea shell that is sitting on the bottom of the sea dead.. is being moved and pushed little by little. It then over millions of years is finaly pushed into a growing landmass like a continent. Or, and in the desert southwest's case. the plates have bumped together raiseing the land out of the ocean, forming moutains. I suppose you don't know there is a subduction zone right off the coast of california where the North American and Pacific plate meet together. the pacific is getting smaller, while on the other end of our nation.. the Atlantic is growing. Dinosaur Fossils were formed under perfect conditions. Dinosaurs that died and their bones were lucky enough to be coverd by a Pre-Historic river, or a slideing landmass. If there was a flood of that magnitude, dinosaur bones would be in our backyards and we would be digging them up every day. The dinosaurs were killed by a Asteriod. Its Crater can be found of the Yucatan Peninsula. I could write a paper on this stuff. I should. But I won't. The Knowledge is there for people to find but many don't want to pull their heads out of the sand and look arround at all the Science and hard proof that you as americans are so lucky to posess. As i Said. I Believe tehre is a god, and jesus. But the Bible was written by the sinful man. Who may not have written gods word exactly as he would have liked. And many of the stoires are to be chewed and thought out as a way for man to live.

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Sorry bud, but all those things could have happened during the flood. The bible says the water came up from the earth as well as down from the heavens. Therefore there had to be a catastrophic event that happened at that time, not just a simple rainfall. The earth would have had to open up to release all that water. It didn't necessarily have to happen over millions of years. It could have just happened when God commanded it to happen, including the asteroid hitting the earth.

There have been so many mass dinosaur digs found, where the creatures still have fossilized food in their mouths. Animals don't die with food in there mouths during an ice-age.

[Strut_Buster]

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Yep... uhhhuh Wheres the proof in the rock then. There would be a distinct layer of sediment from the flood. There's one for the Massive asteroid that struck the Yucatan, one for a massive Culdrea Volcano that blew in Africa, and one from polution that humans have caused over time. No flood. No evidence except a peice of paper with words on it.

So what if they had food in their mouth. When that asteroid struck.. most of north and south america was engulfed in flames. And Ash coverd the earth in over a foot of sediment and the sun was choked out for decades. Dinosaurs close enough to the action were carrying out their daily routein. A T-rex coulda had a mouth full of meat and was evaporated down to the bones and cover in ash. Food in their mouth dosen't mean much... if they were drown in a flood... what makes you think they were just wollowing arround eating as 100 feet of water poured from the heavens. being and animal and thir instincts would have them scared shitless and they would be running for life. But then again... maybe Noah put 2 of every species on a boat and floated it out and they were the lucky 2. And they don't die with food in their mouth. the Ice age was a very active time in geological history. I'm shure whatever scientists found the mamouth or whatever have an explination of how the animal died... and i'm 100 percent that the great flood isn't it. Landside... maybe the animal was chewing cud and it died.. i believe if i'm not wrong elephants do that. It coulda Chokled!

[wtnhunt]

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reguardless of wether or not everything in the Bilbe is accurate doesn't matter much! what does matter is one phrase!

Christ said" who soever believes in me shall not parish but have ever lasting life"!

that is the only part you have to get right ! just believing! Like I said if you believe and are wrong you've lost nothing!

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What matters to me.

On the idea of evolution, someone else said it, but for those who think we evolved from apes, why is it that there has been no further evolution as far back as modern man goes? Not talking adaptation, but actually evolving.

[Strut_Buster]

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e-z. Modern man (homo sapines sapines) showed up a mere 30, 000 years ago. We have the ability to adapt the environment, and use reason and create solutions to problems due to our larger brain cavities and therefore larger brains. 1.5-.7 (i think) Homo Sapines, our first form of humans, showed up. Their brains were smaller but they looked like us and had the ability to make simple tools like spears. They also spread out over the world leading to a diverse species. Then Homo Erectus, then Homo Habilis and so on.

but 30,000 years is little time for a species to evolve. I suppose we are evolveing our brains and our bodys through the use of technology. I dunno. Couldjn't tell ya where we are goin but i kno where we came from.

[buckee]

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e-z. Modern man (homo sapines sapines) showed up a mere 30, 000 years ago. We have the ability to adapt the environment, and use reason and create solutions to problems due to our larger brain cavities and therefore larger brains. 1.5-.7 (i think) Homo Sapines, our first form of humans, showed up. Their brains were smaller but they looked like us and had the ability to make simple tools like spears. They also spread out over the world leading to a diverse species. Then Homo Erectus, then Homo Habilis and so on.

but 30,000 years is little time for a species to evolve. I suppose we are evolveing our brains and our bodys through the use of technology. I dunno. Couldjn't tell ya where we are goin but i kno where we came from.

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LMBO ..I'm glad yur so sure of yourself, because science calls it a theory, not fact. I took all that stuff in school to, but it doesn't make it true. Much of the stuff, I learned in school about evolution has since been disproven or debunked as fakes.

[Strut_Buster]

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Like what. How Long has it been since you were in highschool? I have a love for science and history. Never got less than an A in any of those classes. Science seems to have a more valid explination that the bible does for creation or whatever. Ok ok.. evolution is a theory.. but at least it holds water. I read that stuff you posted earlier, I think you should do some searching to scientific sites rather than religous bias ones. If I'm correct Java Man was called by a creationist a large gibbon. Except Java Mans Skull is too big and its brain cavity is too large for that on an ape. Further research went on in the 90's and they reclassified Java Man as a Homo Erectus. It was also a Bipedal hominoid because of the long leg bone found at the site, a chacteristic of all hominoids. Do a yahoo search.. see for yourself the comparisons.

[bbass300]

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you tha man preacherman

[py_archer]

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[Strut_Buster]

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Interesting stuff they Py thanks for shareing.

[preacherman]

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you tha man preacherman

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thank you very much, but what for?

[preacherman]

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Evolution is fact. I'm christian and can't deny this. I am Christan, I believe there is some god.

The bible is not absolute fact. Basicaly is a series of metaphors for man to chew and decide how to live their life.

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Now, without a doubt, this has to be the brightest post I have ever read in a while. Your theology is about as far out as anyone I have ever come in contact with. First things first, I personally don't see how that you can say you believe in some God and be Christian. Because when you become a Christian, you take God and everything about Him by faith. And last time I checked, God said that He created everyone and everything, therefore, He doesn't believe in evolution. And as far as the Bible not being absolutely fact........prove it! I don't think you can! Sorry, this one just sort of took a bite out of one of my nerves.

[fisherguy]

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i think it is pretty easy to prove not everything in the bible is fact. FOr example, a human cannot survive in teh belly of a whale. YOu would be crushed, suffocate, and digested. Can't prove teh whole bible is fake, but some parts of it have certainly been embellished or distorted(ie, Jonah and the whale)

[Guest bexar_county89]

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so maybe we can't prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that jonah was swallowed by a whale or that noah and the ark happened, or moses came down mt. sinai with the 10 comandements. so maybe you could prove (beyond a reasonable doubt) that evolution did take place,

We're all friends here, and no matter who believes what we'll come out o.k. i've read some serious stuff on here, that makes me believe that everyone who replied, has an educated opinion and belief. those who believe in God and those who don't, those who believe God is science, and those who are somewhere in between thank you for defending what you believe in, no matter how ludacris it may seem to everyone else

[preacherman]

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i think it is pretty easy to prove not everything in the bible is fact. FOr example, a human cannot survive in teh belly of a whale. YOu would be crushed, suffocate, and digested. Can't prove teh whole bible is fake, but some parts of it have certainly been embellished or distorted(ie, Jonah and the whale)

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Then I guess that it would be an easy thing for me to lose my monkey hair and my tadpole tail and just become a human. I have had some people say that I am the descendent of a donkey but that is beside the point! As far as your point of how that some of the Bible has been embellished or distorted, I don't think you can prove that either. Because truth be known, there are many points in evolution in my mind that are embellished and distorted as well. I take it kind of personally that some believe that we as humans came from monkeys, but I guess that is beside the point. As far as your thought on Jonah, I don't know how Jonah survived in the belly of the whale..........because truth be known it is beyond human comprehension how that something like this can humnaly take place, but my Lord put it in His wordas truth, so I believe it. Like I have said in past posts........you take your belief by faith and we take our belief by faith as well.

[Strut_Buster]

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Evolution is fact. I'm christian and can't deny this. I am Christan, I believe there is some god.

The bible is not absolute fact. Basicaly is a series of metaphors for man to chew and decide how to live their life.

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Now, without a doubt, this has to be the brightest post I have ever read in a while. Your theology is about as far out as anyone I have ever come in contact with. First things first, I personally don't see how that you can say you believe in some God and be Christian. Because when you become a Christian, you take God and everything about Him by faith. And last time I checked, God said that He created everyone and everything, therefore, He doesn't believe in evolution. And as far as the Bible not being absolutely fact........prove it! I don't think you can! Sorry, this one just sort of took a bite out of one of my nerves.

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Yeah..... I'ma take another bite. How About YOU PROOVE IT!!!1 I'm dieing to hear your explinations. If you da man like you say you are.. produce some hard facts... i dunno.. how bout the holy grail.. or Moses's cane.. or maybe the ark.. better yet.. don't prove it. I am a christian. I'm Luthern.. maybe a lil bit more liberal than yourself.. but I believe in Jesus. My pastor accepted evolution. Does that make this man of god a non believer. Ha.. I suppose you don't believe in Dinosaurs.. they are just apesto you.Do you believe in cave men? Thats fine. I guess you don't believe in the Ice Age.. don't show that movie to your kids.. they may get ideas about the past and start thinking ouside a box. Is the World Flat too?

[horst]

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how bout the holy grail.. or Moses's cane.. or maybe the ark.

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Seriously, thats a good question.These things were thought of as having religous importance even back then or they wouldnt have been written about for this long after the fact.Isnt it funny they took the time to record em but everythings been lost since then?What happened to all of these things?

[preacherman]

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If you da man like you say you are..

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Don't believe I ever said "I am da man" Don't believe in pushing accolades upon myself. Never have and never will. So I guess that is why that I am going to just stop before I start..........not that I can't, but I choose not to. Because if you can't even quote me as to what I say, then what is the use of me even giving you the time of day to answer your questions.

[buckee]

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Looks to me like this thread has ran it's course.

I'd like to say on closing that the stone tablets and staff of Moses are move in the Ark of the Covenant. God has obviously hid it for a time for a very good reason. Jesus is our NEW Covenant.