Guest Xen Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 so... just wondering why people out west shoot a mule deer and they usually call a 4-point a deer that has 4 on each side, where back east they call it an 8-point. do they score mule deer differently than white tail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Well actually Mule Deer are scored differently...check out a score sheet once... But actually I beleive it stems from the fact that mule deer are often very symmetrical....so they are called by what they have for points on one side.....just a thought... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitetailtrax Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule That's a good question. Used to give my old college buddy a hard time for using the "eastern" count here in Montana because we always use the "western" count. We also teased him for trying to wear his license on his back the first time he went hunting with us lol. Back to your question - I usually call a buck whatever his typical main-frame is ie. a 5-point and then add on stickers. For example, last year I shot a typical 5 with a droptine and 2 stickers on one side. That seems like a better explanation than saying I shot a 13-point buck like you would in the east. If a buck's typical frame isn't evenly matched, I will usually call out both sides...ie. a 4x5 or 5x6 etc. I use the same count on both muleys and whitetails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Out west we just decribe our animals way better is all. It isn't just muleys either. We call our whiteys, elk, moose, caribou, what-have-ya, the same way. 4x4 or 5X4 or 11X9 better decribes the animal. But on muleys you might have to know muley lingo a bit to understand. A four point with browtines is still just a four point. Browtines are only considered in the over-all-number when taking about large nontypers. Even then, I know a lot of guys that say, 'He's a 10X12 including browtines' which means he's a 11X13. Confused??? Stickers only grow on whiteys. Muleys grow cheaters, extras, inlines or just plain trash. I personally like my bucks a little on the TRASHY side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule I thought mulies were called either a 4x4, or 5x5, or 4x5, or whatever they have on each side? I know whitetails are called by the total number of point they grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule DINKY DOG WHITEYS RULE! Sorry, couldn't resist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Like was said before, we don't count browtines unless it is a non-typ. So a 4x4 muley would be a 10pt by eastern count. Also, at least here in utah, outside spread is king. So you always put the spread first. for example, the following buck would be described as a 28 inch 4x5. Plus, mule deer are just so much better than other deer that we don't need to make the number seem bigger. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] personally like my bucks a little on the TRASHY side. [/ QUOTE ] ME TOO!!!! [ QUOTE ] know whitetails are called by the total number of point they grow. [/ QUOTE ] That depends on where you are, I've never described a whitetail by the # of points it has nor has anyone else in my neck of the woods, it is a 4x4, or a 4x5, or whatever it is, this guy is a 13x9 to people around here, to me he's just plain junky!!!! [ QUOTE ] Plus, mule deer are just so much better than other deer that we don't need to make the number seem bigger. [/ QUOTE ] Then why do all muley guys refer to the outside spread and not the inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] [Then why do all muley guys refer to the outside spread and not the inside. [/ QUOTE ] You have to take into account the trash!!!! That's like saying " why not just count the g1 instead of the main beam" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] That's like saying " why not just count the g1 instead of the main beam" [/ QUOTE ] Not really!! That trash counts when you start adding up inches, the outside spread doesn't. I know bone is bone and inside spread is just air but it counts on the score, the comparison is off base. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Just thought I'd take a shot...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule All in fun!! I wouldn't have mentioned it if you hadn't threw in the shot saying mulies are better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule In all truth, I'd love to shoot a big whitie, maybe one of those fat cornfed canadian bruisers, but not over a feeder or from a building or in a fence. If any of you dink shooters wants some real fun, just come buy an otc archery tag here in utah. It's open to the whole state and some areas until dec. Don't go and shoot an elk though, there is a difference..... Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule i have no interest at shooting a mulie but whitetails on the other hand are fair game!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] In all truth, I'd love to shoot a big whitie, maybe one of those fat cornfed canadian bruisers [/ QUOTE ] You won't find one of these in Saskatchewan, no corn crops, don't think there are many corn crops in Alberta either, maybe the midwestern states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In all truth, I'd love to shoot a big whitie, maybe one of those fat cornfed canadian bruisers [/ QUOTE ] You won't find one of these in Saskatchewan, no corn crops, don't think there are many corn crops in Alberta either, maybe the midwestern states. [/ QUOTE ] I think he was talking about your guys' bait piles....LMBO Oh....I couldn't resist.....sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted June 21, 2005 Report Share Posted June 21, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule First off very nice animals guys.....They are gourgeous.... Secondly Mulie,WhiteTail,Elk,BlackTail,,,,who really cares I just wish I had the variety of that caliber animal to hunt here in Vermont,,,,makes no difference to me they all are great animals in my book....and would gladly hunt any of them... Third and lastely why do you all keep calling it "Bait Piles"???? I have never put out bait in piles, I have always dispersed it over a large area.....wether it be apples or carrots,,,,, Just curiosity that's all, not to say if you pile it, it's wrong..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] I think he was talking about your guys' bait piles [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure he was but I won't humor him by getting into a baiting argument. No bait pile for my 1st or 2nd booner, just yrs of hard work and trial and error. Not blowing my own horn but I earned the buck I shot this fall, big time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BCBOY Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Saskman, How many big muleys you got? 2 Booner whiteys is impressive, but 2 booner muleys is REALLY impressive. LOL!!!! JK I love that trashy rat deer you took last fall. Gotta love a buck with that much character. I would say the real answer to the question posed is that those of us out west can't add. Here we are trying to multiply all the time. 4X4 is 8? No, it's got to be 16 ain't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule LOL @ BCBOY ...makes em sound bigger eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Guess it depends on where you are. Have heard people call whitetails by their sides like 4x4's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest andymansavage Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I think he was talking about your guys' bait piles [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure he was but I won't humor him by getting into a baiting argument. No bait pile for my 1st or 2nd booner, just yrs of hard work and trial and error. Not blowing my own horn but I earned the buck I shot this fall, big time. [/ QUOTE ] "corn fed" It is just an expression, it means Beefy or large. Maybe you haven't heard it up in america JR. Congrats on two book bucks, thats awesome no matter the species. I just love to hunt, species doesn't matter to me, they are all great. I just feel lucky to live in a state where I have a chance at : Mule deer, Whitetails, Elk, Buffalo, Antelope, Moose, Desert bighorns, Rocky mtn bighorns, Mtn goat, Bear, Turkey, Upland birds, Cougar, and Waterfowl. It's all good to me. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Now that's an impressive selection of species to hunt. Here in Vermont we're limited to Whitetails, Black Bear, Moose, and Turkeys.........have to do a lot of traveling to hunt as many critters as y'all have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeWalker Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule Saskman, I hope you know I was kidding (smilies should have given it away)......alot of folks see the hunting videos with all of the snow and cold and think it must be north of the border.....regardless if there is standing corn in the field or not....... But seriously, some folks gamble on corn up there don't they ?? I mena, I know the growing season must be a little shorter, but you guys get plenty of sun and moisture don't you ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted June 22, 2005 Report Share Posted June 22, 2005 Re: white tail vs mule I don't know if many guys in Sask gamble on corn, I've only seen it in Ontario buthaven't been far east in Man. Here we get high temps and lots of moisture but usually less than 100 frost free days, where i live, was about 60 between frosts last year. I can't speak for everywhere but I've never seen a corn crop here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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