RangerClay Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 This just came over the wire on my local internet service. I cannot believe our justice system allowed this to happen . http://www.northernfcu.net/?story=Supreme%20Court%20Rules%20Cities%20May%20Seize%20Homes#story Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted June 23, 2005 Report Share Posted June 23, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! [ QUOTE ] I cannot believe our justice system allowed this to happen [/ QUOTE ] I can't either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! believe it. we don't have a justice system. we have a judicial system. a judicial system is a set of rules that attorneys must play by. it has nothing to do with justice. in fact, the model for all attorneys is a blind lady holding a scale, with the motto "justice is blind" here's an example of what i mean. say you get angry one night, and kill your neighbor. you run to your attorney, and tell him what you did. your attorneys job is to do his best to get you off. that's our judicial system at work. if it were a justice system, that same attorney would advise you to confess your sins, and throw yourself at the mercy of the court and pay your debt. that ruling really does suck. another freedom lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! I can't believe that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
christsavedme Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! That sucks! That is about all I have to say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! Boys and Girls, you probably really do NOT understand what this ruling means.... The ruling's supporters say it means a local government can seize your property, pay you fair market value for it--according to the government, and evict you. They can then give it to some other PRIVATE business to develop as long as it creates more tax revenue and/or jobs. What it REALLY MEANS is that you live in your home or own your business at the pleasure of government. As long as government says that it is okay for you to live there, all is good. Piss off the wrong city official and they can say "hey, your place is being condemned for development". Here are the real facts behind this and why this will be a terrible idea: 1) It kills speculative real estate ventures. Why buy land, maintain it, pay taxes, etc. only to have it condemned and given to some greedy developer. 2) WORST OF ALL. Suppose you paid for 20 acres that was 2,000 an acre 30 years ago. You paid the taxes (larger and larger) as the value of the land skyrocketed due to development. Suddenly a private developer wants to buy your land to make a strip mall on it. Instead of paying the going rate of 50,000 an acre, he goes to the City counsel and says "hey, this guy is only paying $4,000 a year in property taxes but if you condemn it and give it to me, I will generate $4,000 a month in taxes". So instead of getting 50,000 an acre, the owner is given 10,000 or 20,000 and forced out. It is a way for a private developer to circumvent the marketplace and enrich himself at the expense of others. 3) The people who are really hurt are the old people, poor people, and family farmers. God forbid should that 250 year old home that has been lived in by generations of the same family get in the way of some **** developer....you will be out on you ears. Folks, contact your representatives and let's see if there is something that can be done about this. America was founded on the basis of private ownership and this just cut the jugular of America folks. We live here to be free...not a slave to Government. Recent Supreme Court decisions have completely trampled on the Bill of Rights folks. First was the McCain Feingold bill that restricted free speech before an election. Even and idiot like me could see that it was a direct unconstitutional limit on free speech. But yet burning our flag is okay free speech but putting an ad in a newspaper 59 days before an election is prevented. The second and probably the most direct assault on our basic freedoms was YESTERDAY. You cannot imagine the ramifications that this decision by the Supreme Court will have. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! Go to boortz.com and read the neal's nuze section. He is a vehiment property rights talk show host here in GA. He does mention a bright spot in that the justices that voted for it mentioned that they didn't like the possible misuses of the decision but felt it was keeping with the spirit of the law. The bright spot is that they encouraged local governments and state governments to severely restrict misuse. Many states all but completely eliminate eminent domain seizures completely. Ga is in the process of writing legislation that will prevent it or limit it and will have to adjust based on this decision. I encourage you to contact your State representatives to sponsor or support such legislation. I hate it for the people involved in this specific case including a couple that have been living in the home for 50 years and celebrated their marriage and birth of their kids in the home. I am telling you, I think it is going to take some crazed homeowner with nothing to lose putting a bullet in the head of a filthy stinking developer and/or city counsel member who are abusing the eminent domain ammendmnet abusively to put a stop to this abuse. Not that I am advocating it, but that might have to make nightly news to make some of these greedy bas$tards stop this nonsense. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted June 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! It's no wonder why some people pick up guns and go nuts in some office. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted June 24, 2005 Report Share Posted June 24, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! I was thinking while at lunch..... We can sit here and bash each other, at times, about our choice of archery equipment (Hoyt versus all the other wannabes) and expandables versus fixed heads. We can get ourselves worked up into a frenzy to where people want to meet and kick each other's butts. However, something as basic as our freedoms in America are infringed and you cannot even get people to contact their representative---that's if they even know who their representatives are! But I bet you they can tell you the name and number of their bow distributor's rep. Sad day in America, folks. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! Dont think I am seeing the right story from your link, but did hear on the news last night something about homes being able to be siezed if they can prove that it is necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted June 25, 2005 Report Share Posted June 25, 2005 Re: Disturbing news! If a private developer or private business is allowed to take our property for "pennies", with the blessing of the Government or Supreme Court, then we should NOT have to pay property taxes on a piece of land that could be taken from us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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