Turkeygirl Posted June 26, 2005 Report Share Posted June 26, 2005 So what do you all think about the changes to the NY deer hunting seasons and about the possiblity of allowing rifle hunting in other counties (which includes mine)? In my opinion, I think the DEC has done a good job in trying to change the the seasons as in no early muzzleloading season. I still think the DEC is still trying to play God with everything. I'm not so sure about the rifle hunting. Yeah it would be nice to be able to shoot a deer at a long distance, but I think of our neighbors who do drives and shoot deer that are running. The thought of rifle bullets shot that many times when I'm hunting is scary; I worry about being shot when they are in the woods. It won't keep me out of the woods though! Anyway just wanted to hear your opinions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Changes to NY what counties are they considering for rifle, i dont mind the changes at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted June 27, 2005 Report Share Posted June 27, 2005 Re: Changes to NY I am happy that there isn't going to be a early muzzleloader season in the middle of early bow season. Halloween week is when they wanted to put it in. That is right when the rut starts heating up. DEC will never satisfy everyone. I wanted a year round yote season. I was told a straight forward NO. Boo-hoo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Re: Changes to NY One thing...in the southern zone, there will be almost NO Doe tags for anyone! To get a doe tag, one must have 3! preference points! YIKES! The catskill region seems to be the hardest hit by the new DMP regs. Region 3 and some of region 4 look to be the hardest hit. I'm happy that DEC did not put the early muzz season in october. BUT....bow hunters lost 4 days of hunting due to the start of the season after columbus day. Bow hunters should be compensated for that. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the october season, I have a few BIG bucks coming into my yard from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Re: Changes to NY [ QUOTE ] One thing...in the southern zone, there will be almost NO Doe tags for anyone! To get a doe tag, one must have 3! preference points! YIKES! The catskill region seems to be the hardest hit by the new DMP regs. Region 3 and some of region 4 look to be the hardest hit. I'm happy that DEC did not put the early muzz season in october. BUT....bow hunters lost 4 days of hunting due to the start of the season after columbus day. Bow hunters should be compensated for that. Anyway, I'm looking forward to the october season, I have a few BIG bucks coming into my yard from time to time. [/ QUOTE ] Not trying to start an argument, but I have to say something. Bowhunters are only losing two days of early bow season this year because last early bow season was 37 days long from Oct. 15 to the day before the 3rd monday in November. If the new regulations actually go into effect, the new early bow season will be 35 days long from Oct. 15 to the day before the 3rd saturday in November. Also, you stated bowhunters need to be componsated for those lost days. Although most people don't bowhunt the late season, the late bow season will be made as long as the late muzzleloader season, so total, the archery season is actually a few days longer if you hunt the late season with a bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted June 30, 2005 Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 Re: Changes to NY Squirrelbuster, late season, c'mon, lets face it. After rifle season all the deer are spooked. Deer take was the objective of the DEC by changing the deer season dates. Late Archery/Muzzleloader is when not a whole lot of the deer harvest is. That's just DEC's way of saying, you wanted xtra days, here they are. Can't kill a deer during this time? Too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Re: Changes to NY Not one season, but BOW lost time afield. Who works harder than a bow hunter to harvest game? Muzzleloaders are good for 200yards now! Good luck trying to get a deer with a bow after all the guns have gone off and the woods are flooded with orange. That would only benefit people who hunt in bow ONLY areas. I hunt with all 3 weapons. Bow, rifle and muzzleloader. I have an interest in every season that takes place. DEC asked for opinions about the possible changes, held meetings around the state( I went to 2 of them). Almost all of the opinions voiced, were against the early muzz season. Year round coyote was proposed and shot down, antler restrictions were proposed, and shot down. To me, these are 2 very important things to help the deer herd and the quality of bucks harvested. DEC didn't agree. ALL of the hunters I spoke to DID! Many people do not like change, and what DEC did was fiddle with rules and regs that were untouched since the 50's! Nothing is constant, but change. I'll find a way to adapt...somehow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted July 1, 2005 Report Share Posted July 1, 2005 Re: Changes to NY [ QUOTE ] Not trying to start an argument, but I have to say something. Bowhunters are only losing two days of early bow season this year because last early bow season was 37 days long from Oct. 15 to the day before the 3rd monday in November. If the new regulations actually go into effect, the new early bow season will be 35 days long from Oct. 15 to the day before the 3rd saturday in November. [/ QUOTE ] I'm glad that somebody finally did the math. The NYB (of which I am a member) has been telling everyone that we are losing 6 days. This is absolutely untrue. As some of you may remember, I did an average of the next 12 years and found out that the actual average loss, when compared with the old formula is 1.667 days per year. We always had varying season lengths because of the way dates fell in different years and that is why it is important not to "cherry pick" specific years to base your claims on. That is why I took a bunch of years to find the averages. So the 6 days lost as advertised by NYB is totally bogus. Any lost days are too many, but outright deception is not the way to achieve the goal or make the point. I brought this to the attention of the NYB administration and was accused of nit-picking. If our state bowhunting organization is to maintain any credibility for future important battles (and we have a bunch of them coming), I believe it is essential that they maintain an attitude of honesty and accuracy, and that I don't consider "nit-picking". I am still a believer in the organization but definitely have a serious quarrel with the attitudes of the administration when it comes to the integrity of the information that they have been asking their members to include in their protest e-mails, letters and phone calls. Hopefully, this kind of thing will not happen again. As far as what the DEC may or may not have added onto the late season, I do not really pay a whole lot of attention to that. For me the archery season ends when the early season ends. I think I am probably in the majority on that issue. Certainly, I don't want to see days lost in the early season justified by adding days into the late season. I don't think that works for most bowhunters. That's not to say that bowhunters never have success in the late season, but the range limitations of a bow certainly do not work well with deer that have just completed a gunseason. Particularly in heavily pressured areas of the state. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Re: Changes to NY Buckwacka, the October 1st opener would have let there be a 3 day muzzleloader season. Because, the DEC would be able to say, ok, here is some time for bow, now let's muzzleloader hunt, and then lets go back to bow for a few days and then a rifle season! After majority opposed the muzzleloader season, it was shot down and the opener was brought to a Saturday. If you consider the early bow season hard, then you have some serious problems! Early season is great! You're the first out there, you get to see the deer before anyone else and you have first picks. Buckwacka, I doubt that anyone would not like more time to be out there to kill a deer, but its just the plain facts. If there are any deer in the area after rifle season, majority of the harvest in deer season does not occur during Late Archery/Muzzleloader season. Yeah, some deer are shot during this time, but not a whole lot to where you can consider it a large portion of the harvest, like in the regular season. Deer take was the DEC's objective in changing the season dates. But, putting a gun season when the rut is starting to heat up, just isn't going to do it. My dad (ADjam5) and I have found that Halloween week is when the rut starts cooking. That is when the muzzleloader season was proposed. As stated above, muzzleloaders are good for 200 yards nowadays. Nobdoy works harder than a bowhunter to harvest game. Anybody can pull a trigger on a deer 200 yards out, but can your average gun hunter draw back on a deer, rest the pin on it and stay calm if it is within 30 yards? 25 yards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted July 2, 2005 Report Share Posted July 2, 2005 Re: Changes to NY Good post Doc (as usual) - definte eye opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Re: Changes to NY Why is it when someones disagrees, it is called bickering? You'll never hear from this hunter that the early season is hard. I tried to make a difference in the coming seasons. I contacted MANY hunters, by standing outside sport shops and handing out DEC meeting info about the changes. I made phone calls and e mails topeople to try and get as many hunters as possible involved with the decision making process. SOO many people could not even be bothered. These same people probobly don't even vote. Not everyone is gonna be made happy with changes. One thing we are all united on is the love of hunting whitetail. When we get to do it, depends on our personal schedule. YES....ABSOLUTLEY I would've loved to see the early archery in the so zone start at oct 1st. That didn't happen. I was suprised. If the objective of DEC is to take more deer and have more hunters involved, that wouldv'e been a good way to do it. I might have even given up a few days of late bow for it to start on oct 1st. The ONLY issue I had was the insertion of a muzzle season right smack in the heat of the rut. Remember, DEC wanted to put a 6 day muzz season in the last week of october. I don't know about where you hunt, but, all the rutting and fighting and big time deer activity is in full stream where I hunt at that time of the year. So to have guns going off for a week, then back to bow would be useless to anyone going out there with a bow, unless it is a bow only area. Then it don't matter. The guns will never go off there. One of the great things about these BB's to me, is the vast difference of hunters. We are all united in hunting, but do things just a bit different. That what makes us all individuals. I welcome a different opinion than mine, I enjoy exchanging ideas and exploring the betterment of our sport AND getting involved to make a difference. Don't wait for the next guy...it'll never happen. So to put all this in context... opinions are like bungholes...everyones got 'em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 3, 2005 Report Share Posted July 3, 2005 Re: Changes to NY Where in my post did I "bicker"? Buckwacka, if DEC was going to extend our seasons, they would have added a muzzleloader season. You don't see how they go hand in hand? It's all about compromising. We had to give up a few days in order to "gain" a few more days in the late season. Although these days in the late season aren't going to make much of an impact in deer harvest, it is extra time to harvest a deer if you haven't after, what? 3 months? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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