Smitteken Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 I posted a few days ago some questions about helical. At that point i was intent on shooting a dropaway rest. Now I am considering a whisker biscuit, because of there ease and quietness and they are less pricey. So does anyone think i'll have any issues shooting 6 degree helical through a WB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coop2564 Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? If you try to shoot over 30yds you wont be happy with your groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitteken Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Coop, Is this because of the helical or just a downside of the WB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coop2564 Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Check your PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MCDillinois Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Stick with the drop away.....totally out perform the wb. Think of it like this, is the extra 25$ worth it when you kill the buck of your dreams?? Get with it!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? I am sure bucks of a lifetime for some hunters were taken with old simple stick on tab style rests that just stuck on the side of the riser. Remember these beauties, they worked!! Its just now we are bombarded with all these new styles and gadgets. Sometimes the KISS concept works the best. Whether or not its a drop-a-way or the whisker bisquit, everyone has there opinions but I am pretty sure some really simple stick and string set-ups have taken some monsters! Anywhere hear of Fred Bear?.......he's killed alot of dream bucks with simple traditional equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? I am going to sit on the fence on this one. Is a drop away more accurate? Yes! Is a WB a better hunting rest? Yes! It is a fail proof rest with no noise. However, it will be a lot more sensitive to a bad release (grabbing the bow, torque...whatever) than a drop away. The WB is made to hunt. The main problem I have with dorp aways is it is something else that can go wrong in the woods. The WB doent have this problem. JB makes some good points on the only problems with the WB. Soft vanes (shoot blazers they hold up and are quiet)! Some of the best advice ever given on any set up or style is "if it ain't broke don't fix it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MCDillinois Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Points well taken. Everyone has their oppinions and they are welcome here. As a "retired" archery tech, I can tell you that with the advent of the drop away, fletch clearance and bow tunability has never been so easily attained. Now, I have to be careful not to come across as product bassing, and I certainly am not. Simply put, I do believe that the WB has its place in the bowhunting world and there are those that I recommend it to. However, I personlly shoot a drop away called the Trap Door by Montana. No cords, no string, nothing. Not one failure, nothing, and I have installed them on hundreds of bows over the years. Snaps up for shooting, drops on the shot. What does this mean to me?...I have 100% fletch clearance and my bow is able to be tuned to the extreme, if you will. Basically it means that from the time the launcher falls(trigger pull), there is no contact between my arrow, its fletchings, cables, etc period. When you consider the WB, you have complete and constant fletch contact and also considerable vane wear. I know first hand with the dozens upon dozens of arrows I refletch on a regular basis for WB shooters. It is quite amazing. As for Fred Bear, I would have to be an idiot not to know who that is. In fact, I am also a big traditional buff. I use both compound and traditional throughout the season, every season. All depends on my location and setup. So I know about simplicity and have probably killed more deer with traditional equipment than compound equipment in my 30+ years of bowhunting. That means, wooden arrows and no rest, just a piece of bear-hair. And, my comment about the dropaway outperforming WB, I stand by that. Look at the whole picture and you will see why. I think the only thing the WB can do that a dropaway cannot do is provide the ablity to turn the bow upside down while loaded without the arrow falling off. Does the WB work....yes. Does it have its place yes...my suggestion was to stay with the dropaway. But as someone said, it is up to the individual. So the question was asked in the initial post, will helical effect my shooting with the Whisker Buiskit....YES! So, this guy will have to have his arrows refletched in order to correct the problem. That could be 3$ per arrow X 12 = 36$. So, given my oppinion, I suggested to stick with the 6 degree helical(which outperforms the needed straight fletch which will be needed to use the WB with Broadheads) and go with the dropaway....I still stand by that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If you try to shoot over 30yds you wont be happy with your groups. [/ QUOTE ] I shot to 50 yards with helical through the biscuit and was more than happy hitting the 11 ring on my IBO target WITH broadheads..... people who have trouble shooting through the biscuit have a fews possibilities 1. they are shooting a soft vane like duravanes ALOT and they get wrinkled 2. they are shooting too tight a fitting arrow in the biscuit 3. they are shooting a carbon arrow that is too weak 4. they can't shoot worth a flip, period [/ QUOTE ] I agree JB. I don't know why folks knock the Wisker Biscuit. It is a great performing rest. I love mine and will not be switching to anything else in the near future. I love the shear simplicity of it, as well as it's ease of tuning. Nothing to break down on you...just too simple. I guess that bothers some people and because of it, they think it is an inferior rest...LOL Whisker Biscuit all the way for this ol guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Isn't J.B. an "active" bow tech? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? As far as a hunting rest goes, there's probably not a better rest made. Once nocked, that arrow's not going anywhere and it's not making any noise. My main concern with the WB is fletching contact. I don't like it. You can call it trivial and I'll agree but that's just something I don't won't to have to worry about. I've got two little fins that pop up and all I have to worry about is my arrow falling off and on the 3-D course, that's the least of my worries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitteken Posted July 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Well... I'm still one the fence. Take the route of get my arrows reflected and get a WB, or go with a drop away. i don't plan on shooting competion, but i do take pride in being a tackdriver. I am in the process of tuning my equipment so i can take a 40+ yard shot. So i don't want to void that by buying the wrong rest. Thanks for the input... Sorry about the heated debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Smitteken....Almost every rest on the market has a down side to it. Fletching contact, shaft contact, potential for arrow to fall off, string attached to cables capable of slipping or snagging. etc. Even the vaulted drop aways have a down side. You just have to pick your poison. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Fletching contact: The big reason "fletching contact" has always been a no-no, is because when you have one fletching hitting something on your rest or bow, it will throw your arrow into a tizzy. Yes, the whisker Biscuit has fletching contact, yes, you lose about 2 ft per second on your speed because of it, but all 3 fletchings are contacting the biscuit on the way through, not just one. They all go through, at the same time, each receiving the same contact, thus, not effecting arrow flight in the slightest. The fletching contact received by the fletchings going through the biscuit, should in no way deter anyone from using the biscuit. If your worried about losing 2 ft per second in arrow speed, then your a speed freak, and don't deserve to shoot through a perfectly good arrow rest, that was designed specifically for hunters. MCH = speed freak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted July 14, 2005 Report Share Posted July 14, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Steve, you're assuming the same amount of contact to each fletching. I used to own a WB and like I mentioned earlier, I loved it. But mine experienced a problem. The upper left whiskers became slightly bunched. Not bunched enough to stop an arrow from passing through, but enough to make my arrow porpoise a little. I'm not sure if the WB was just wore out from over use or if during a hunting trip something damaged the whiskers, but this broke me from using the WB. I'm not brand bashing here. I just happen to prefer a simpler style two pronged rest. Someday, I may actually try a drop-away just to say I did, but for now, I'm happy being fairly sure where my rest is going to be when I release and what my fletchings are going to touch. Helps me sleep at night... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? A long time WB user when I shot compounds and I am here to tell you full contact will NOT effect arrow flight IF your arrows are spined and tuned to your bow. Period. As a matter of fact, the slight resistance on the vanes/feathers as they pass threw the whisker eliminates any archers paradox immediately by transfering the energy from the nock end to the tip end before the arrow leaves the rest, which can produce even more accurate flight. Not only that but the mass of the whickers vs the mass of air will kick your arrows into spinning 100x faster which will cause earlier stabilization. Another fact of arrow accuracy. A trimmied biscut looses less then 1 fps as well, so if your worried about loosing .5 to .75 fps then you are a speed freak. With that said I am now a traditional shooter right off the shelf. I would say you can not get any more one sided fletching contact then that. However a properly spined arrow gets me arrow touching arrow groups at 20 yards. At over 100 fps slower then my compound. Sound pretty deadly to me still.... Which is no different then when I shot compounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Again VT, you're assuming the same contact to all fletchings. With my experiences, you can't tell me that a whisker biscuit will not influence the flight of an arrow. The whiskers can become entangled. Fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? [ QUOTE ] Again VT, you're assuming the same contact to all fletchings. With my experiences, you can't tell me that a whisker biscuit will not influence the flight of an arrow. The whiskers can become entangled. Fact. [/ QUOTE ] I'd say it's time for a new biscuit if it gets that bad ...They're cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Back to the original ?????? I shoot my offset vanes through a WB and so far am good out to 60yrds easy. I would have say if I get another rest it would be a Trophy Taker-Shakey Hunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitteken Posted July 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? I hate to spoil the fun guys, but i just ordered a Vital Bow Gear Ultimate Fallaway. Tedicast turned me onto them in a few of his posts so I'm going to give it a whirl. I picked it up on ebay for 63.00 plus shipping, which is the best deal I've found. It combines the vane clearance of the fallaway and holds the arrow very securely until fired. Sound pretty sweet to me. all in all i think it'll work better with my 6 degree helical I'll be shooting. Thanks for all of the input, aaron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Helical and Whisker Biscuit? Good luck on the new rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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