muggs Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 I guess this post is for TSBH, Tominator, and the guys north of the border, the few other forum members who actually care. They're taking steps to cut back on all the clutching and grabbing, I couldn't agree more with that. Anyting to free up the nuetral zone, will help the game. But, so far I've heard that they're considering eliminating the red line And having tie games go to a shootout after the end of the third. Is this happens, the NHL will be right up there with the gravity games and any other side show out there. I'm a traditionalist and would really hate to see this happen. I think widening the rinks would open up those cross ice passes, and do more good than anything, but that would lose seats, and I'm sure the owners won't let that happen. IMO it just won't be the same game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUDRUNNER Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes I suppose more scoring opportunities would put a little extra excitement into the game.I can't say that I'm against taking away the red line.It seems like there are tons of two line offsides anymore,and I think it will make for more odd man rushes and breakaways. On the overtime issue,I like the 4 on 4 format better than the shootout idea, but I don't think if a team loses in overtime they should still get a point. I agree that they should widen the ice to open up a little extra space for cross ice passes. I also wouldn't be against a little smaller goalie equipment.That might generate a few more goals per game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted July 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes good points mudrunner, but to me, taking out the redline is like doing away with foul lines in baseball. sure they would be a lot more hits, but it would create pure chaos. The thing that worries me, is how it's going to change the way the game is played. For example, if a team is on a power play, is one guy gonna start cherry picking to get an easy break away? I haven't seen that since pee-wees. I really hope they don't do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes [ QUOTE ] I'm a traditionalist and would really hate to see this happen. [/ QUOTE ] Well, if you're a traditionalist, you'd like to see the shootout come back. Geez you're young. I could be wrong, but I think I heard on ESPN the other day that the shootout comes after the OT period, that just eliminates ties which I hated. As for your other points, I tend to agree. You either like hockey or you don't. Seems to me the effort to increase scoring kind of "yuppifies" the game. Gotta keep them social hockey fans happy ya know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted July 15, 2005 Report Share Posted July 15, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes No ice-ing if you're shorthanded............. That will help............. should have changed that years ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muff Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes " No ice-ing if you are short handed...." I hope that was a joke??????? that rule has been in the game for ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Leave the ice size as is, speed up icing calls the way they do in international play, and i love the idea of a shootout after the overtime period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes the NHL will never be the same... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes No Europeans-did i say that out loud lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TBryan Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Id like to see them go to the international size rink but keep the red line. The clutching and grabbing will always go on they always say they are gonna cut down but it never happens. If they change goalie pad sizes like they say that will help the scoring out. As for the shootout if the game is a tie isnt what id like to see. I think when the playoffs roll around that the ties can help teams and make the playoff race more interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Muggs...just for GP....Shootouts is what it used to be like ....but that's ok, I still like you. Superguide...If you take out the Europeans, you may as well take out the Canadians....then you would have no Hockey, is that what you want My problem is, everyone wants to see more scoring. Who cares about scoring, I want to see good tough hockey. If the score is 1-0 or 2-1, thats a good game to me. Just like Baseball, teams would rather have a good hitter than a good pitcher just so they can score more points. JMO The red line needs to stay! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes I am confused, if you took out the eoropeans why would you have to take out the Canadians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pa_sportsman Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Keep the red line. Keep the blue lines intact. Reduce the size of goalie equipment and bring back the touch up offsides. Also, enforce the rules! Call the interference, hooking and holding penalties regardless of time, score, existing penalty/power play etc. If the existing NHL referees won't do so, fire every one of them and bring in officials from the NCAA. If the officials sprout enough backbone to call the penalties, players will learn...either from the penalty box, bench or suite (when scratched for taking too many bad penalties). On top of the minor penalties, tack on a 10-minute misconduct for any player that argues an obstruction call. Remember, baseball players get tossed for arguing strike calls. The NHL can stop the widespread obstruction, if it so desires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 17, 2005 Report Share Posted July 17, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes consistant refereeing would be nice,,and I'll keep any other comments to myself..... Let's just get it on already,,,,the BRUINS are hungry for the CUP !!!.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes [ QUOTE ] I am confused, if you took out the eoropeans why would you have to take out the Canadians? [/ QUOTE ] Yes you are but that's alright. My point was why should we take out the Europeans. If anyone knows anything about hockey then they should know that most hockey teams are made up of other nationalities, not just Americans and that's what makes hockey so great. So I guess I was being sarcastic by saying if we take out the Europeans than we may as well take out the Canadians too then we wouldn't have hockey teams. Understand now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes hahah, of course the NHL is not just Americans, it is mostly Canadians and Europeans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Alright you two, Jim, Mike--2 minutes to each of you for roughing. Don't give me any lip or I'll make it a game misconduct. BTW--how you like my Kerry Frazier imitation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted July 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes TSBH, I'm glad you still like me but... What is all this talk about shoot outs being how it used to be. Did Gordy, Orr, and Eddie Shore ever take part in a shoot out?? The only time I remeber a shoot was in the IHL, and that joke of a league folded. I think I remember the NHL doing that as an experiment, and it was quickly done away with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes I'm all for the shootout. No more 3 am's watching 5 overtime playoff games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes I'd say the first good step is having the referees actually call what is an infraction. Some games, especially playoff games are like a zoo at times with all the clutching, grabbing, interference and so on. I like the idea of a regualr season shootout, give each team a point for the tie and then give the winner of the shootout 2 for the win. Easy for the standings, good excitement for the fans. I'd get rid of the touch icing, someone is going to get killed eventually the way they run each other into the end wall. Along with that goes checking from behind. In amateur hockey it is an automatic game misconduct, in the NHL it a 2 min. boarding penalty if anything. I wouldn't mind seeing the red line pulled. Saskatchewan did it with all their amateur hockey. It doesn't give you people floating around for breakaways, it just gives a few more odd man rushes and scoring chances during the game, maybe the odd breakaway,... who doesn't like breakaways?? Has anyone ever been to a University hockey game? No red line there and in my op. that is the best hockey there is for the fan. Now I've got to take a jab at Superguide. I'd rather watch many of the NHL's talented European's play as opposed to some 3rd and 4th liners from Canada who are only in the league b/c they are great big guys who feel at home in the circus of clutching, grabbing and trying to kill each other. I watched some hockey from the 80's on the t.v this winter. I didn't appreciate it at the time but the end to end action the oilers and the Islanders had back then was supreme to the game we have now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes [ QUOTE ] Alright you two, Jim, Mike--2 minutes to each of you for roughing. Don't give me any lip or I'll make it a game misconduct. BTW--how you like my Kerry Frazier imitation? [/ QUOTE ] Good to go.....that's two minuets for interference for you as well I was just mainly asking why he would want the Europeans out of the NHL. Muggs....I misunderstood your grief with the shootouts. Please except this apology as a token of my respect for you....NOT...get over it will ya BTW...unless things changed in the last 3 monjths...AHL still has shootouts after the first overtime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes I never said i wanted the europeans out, i just asked why you said that would mean the Canadians had to leave too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted July 18, 2005 Report Share Posted July 18, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Gunner you closet Swede you lol. O.K. not all Europeans just the crybaby -disappear in the playoffs ones. Actually the toughest European ever was the first Bjorge Salming-he came in the league and survived when the game was truly rough and they tried to run him out. If I was a millionaire I'd tough it out with North American players-even small fast ones like Saskman lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted July 19, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes TSBH, I guess what I don't like about shootouts, is it not that game. It seems like something I'd do with my buds after a beer league game. Imagine if baseball games that were tied ater 9 innings went to a home run derby to decide the winner. Or basketball games that were tied afer 4 quarters went into a slam dunk contest. Just doesn't seem like a real way to decide a hard fought game. And John, 5 OT playoff games are what used to make the playoffs what they were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted July 19, 2005 Report Share Posted July 19, 2005 Re: Proposed NHL rule changes Fisher I know you never said that, I was referring to superguide. Like I said Muggs, I just misunderstood your grief about shootouts. I like them myself, of course after some overtime of course. I noticed in AHL hockey, shootouts after overtime always get the blood flowing in the fans Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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