Turkeygirl Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 I haven't seen any talk about this in here but a few counties in the southern tier of NY including mine (Allegany County) may see rifles allowed during deer season. A local news website has been staying up to date on this and so far it is somewhat controversial. I personally am against it because the DEC firsy said we have too many deer no they say less DMP's because not enough deer then they say Cattaragus and Allegany have too many deer. Also rifle ammo travels a longer distance and the way people hunt down where I live, well the chance of being hit by a stray bullet surely would increase. The one article I read said that allowing rifles means hunters will be able to make longer shots, giving those big bucks less of a chance to live another day and that in the deer world we would have more deer of the "children and adolescent" age category. It seems that hunting with shotgun/muzzeloader/archery has become to "hard" for some hunters or something. I really think the DEC needs to clean up it's act. I also read this rifle thing was kind of a "backdoor" thing that was not brought up much if at all at DEC meetings for the public and that it is all politics meaning it will bring in more money. Just my opinions but what do the rest of you think without getting mad at me,lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed As for the DMP's, DEC is all over the place with those. I don't like it. The area where we own property is getting zero DMP's unless you have 3 PP's. All this talk about not enough deer is all related to predators. Yes. The NY coyote season is quite long and with the no bag limit it is great. But not enough people hunt predators and they have begun taking out the deer. On our land over the last winter, we found 3 dead deer, all coyote killed. We know they were coyote killed because they were healthy deer. [ QUOTE ] allowing rifles means hunters will be able to make longer shots, giving those big bucks less of a chance to live another day [/ QUOTE ] Then why gun-hunt at all? Let's all bowhunt so the deer have a better chance. That's just stupid. In this house, we hunt every season there is. Even Muzzleloader. Not many deer are harvested then but it beats sitting on the couch. The meetings were only held by DEC to make it look as if DEC cares. Yeah so what they didn't put in the Early Muzzleloader season. There probably wasn't going to be one anyway, they just wanted to see what it would do to the public. I don't care anymore. Come October, the freezer should be full. Rifle season is only fun because everyone hangs out at the butcher at night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed Fly, if they want more deer shot, then why decrease the amount of DMP's? Everyone knows that does are the problem. Then why kill less of them and enable an easier method of killing deer. Fly, no offense, but you don't know what is really going on here in NY. It would help if you lived here or atleast hunted here. My dad went to 2 DEC meetings and proposed a year round coyote season, that got shot down as fast as it was asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed There isn't too many deer! It is reverse of what you think. There are too many predators and not enough deer. A DMP is short for Deer Management Permits a.k.a. Doe tags. Does are the real problem in the deer herd. But now they open up rifle hunting in shotgun-only areas where there are not enough deer and claim it to be a way to harvest more deer, but in reality less deer will be harvested due to lack of tags. You follow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed One more thing. My area of the Catskills where we own land is the area that is looking to be developed into Casinos. This will totally suck for us because we will have to shotgun hunt instead or rifle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Squirrelbuster Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed I am not going into an in depth debate, but I personally would like to see a rifle season open up near me. Specifically in Chenango county. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed Rifle hunting here has been allowed as long as I have been here. Have not heard of very many accidental shootings in this state. As with anything education is key. Dont know about your states laws in regaurds to hunter saftey courses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed There are not many accidental shootings here either. Nothing wrong with rifle hunting. You get more range, that is true, but not many deer, here anyways, are shot at a distance of 100 yards or more. Easy shotgun/mz range. Also, if someone is worried about big bucks living another day, maybe that person should shoot does.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted July 27, 2005 Report Share Posted July 27, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed FYI - Hunting related injuries last year (for all catagories) was 6 per 100,000. Badmitton related injuries was 30 per 100,000. Which do you think is more dangerous? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted July 28, 2005 Report Share Posted July 28, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed What news source did you hear this from? There is no talk of this on New Yorks DEC web site. I think it could be dangerous to have rifles where I hunt. There are more hunters per square mile in the south than the north. Also, with the way the farmers hunt in my unit, there could be alot of stray bull bullets flying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeygirl Posted July 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed I have heard this from actual news sources that have reported from what Pataki has said. I'm tired of hearing either there is too many deer or too few deer. Nothing makes sense. Even if rifle does happen, I can't afford a rifle anyway. Having a rifle season will mean, to the DEC, bringing in more hunters which equals more $money$ and alot of NY state hunters may sells their shotguns and buy a rifle. I personally think it would be better to just have like a week of rifle season or something. I dunno but some good thoughts are here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed I hope the Gov signs the bill and rifles are allowed.Would much prefer to use my 30/30 than my 12 gauge.More accurate and less expensive to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed I don't live or hunt in NY...but coming from a state that does allow rifles and has more hunters than NY...the accidents that do happen isn't bad. Accidents will happen whether your shooting a muzzloader, shotgun, handgun, bow etc... [ QUOTE ] Would much prefer to use my 30/30 than my 12 gauge.More accurate and less expensive to shoot. [/ QUOTE ] I think there is the key...I'm all for anything that reduces the number of wounded deer and increases the number of folks hunting. Deer numbers aside...we need to stick together as a whole...if NY passes this, that is a step in the right direction and makes it harder for anti's to ban/outlaw guns/hunting. Just my opinion, but I think it would be a good thing for NY residents. I love my rifle hunting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed snapper, I agree with you on everything except one thing, most accidents do not occur with bowhunters. We are talking about shooting accidents. With the bow, you need to be so close, it's not even funny. The most accidents that happen are self inflicted such as falling out of a treestand, cutting yourself, etc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed The key word there Joe is "most"...I agree that the majority of "bowhunting" accidents are self inflicted...but other hunters being shot with a bow or crossbow does infact happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maytom Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed [ QUOTE ] I hope the Gov signs the bill and rifles are allowed.Would much prefer to use my 30/30 than my 12 gauge.More accurate and less expensive to shoot. [/ QUOTE ] I agree!!! I was going to buy an in-line Muzzel-loader this year, but if rifles are allowed, I'd much rather buy a rifle instead. We can use single shot pistols that use center fire rifle cartridges now, what's the difference if going to a rifle? I'm all for it big time!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed Paul, you should come on down to the orchard again. Ain't got no restrictions on rifles down there. Plus Bill's cousin found a huge typical 5-point shed in the orchard. Looking forward to seeing that buck this year. lol -- but you'd have to talk to Bill first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed [ QUOTE ] I have heard this from actual news sources that have reported from what Pataki has said. I'm tired of hearing either there is too many deer or too few deer. Nothing makes sense. Even if rifle does happen, I can't afford a rifle anyway. Having a rifle season will mean, to the DEC, bringing in more hunters which equals more $money$ and alot of NY state hunters may sells their shotguns and buy a rifle. I personally think it would be better to just have like a week of rifle season or something. I dunno but some good thoughts are here. [/ QUOTE ] You still failed to answer my question. So I will try this again!!!!! What news source did you hear this from? There is no talk of this on New Yorks DEC web site. I don't want to know where this so called news source got their info from. I want to know what the news source is. Ex. what news paper, news channel or magazine!!!! Got it????? Thanks... As I can see, this is all talk. There is no credible news source or anything. Until I see this from a credible source then I will not believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed [ QUOTE ] what news paper, news channel or magazine!!!! [/ QUOTE ] It's been in the last 2 issues of New York Outdoor News. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed wont affect me at all, its dumb though in Monroe County you can hunt woodchuck w/ a rifle but not deer... whats with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed [ QUOTE ] woodchucks aren't running through the underbrush with camo clad hunters on either side shooting at it. [/ QUOTE ] Why would it be so hard to pass a law to required orange? [ QUOTE ] First, you only have one shot which forces you to completely identify your target first before shooting. [/ QUOTE ] Shouldn't you do this no matter what your shooting? [ QUOTE ] Second, you need a steady rest so shooting at running deer is not an option. [/ QUOTE ] I usally use a steady rest with a rifle and don't shoot at running deer. [ QUOTE ] Third, usually you don't use a hand gun for deer drives and this is where most of the accidents happen. [/ QUOTE ] Where did you get that info.? Do you have satistics to back it up? Drives are safe if done properly, and I know a few guys who use a handgun while putting on a drive. They have shot their fair share of deer trying to sneak back through the drive. Not trying to start anything with you about this, mainly because it don't affect me. But it seems to your against rifle hunting but haven't offered any "real" good reason why it shouldn't be allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
western NY bowhunter Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed I'm not too overly happy with this proposal....but Steuben County isn't one of the counties that they're planning on opening up to rifles so it really won't effect me anyways. As far as deer drives go...my family has been successfully employing this tactic for 40+ yrs. To date, the only casualties have been several hundred deer and a few coyotes (knock on wood). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirrelhunter91 Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed [ QUOTE ] To date, the only casualties have been several hundred deer and a few coyotes (knock on wood). [/ QUOTE ] Amen! That's the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted August 5, 2005 Report Share Posted August 5, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed [ QUOTE ] Snapper, I'm not against rifles. I own a very nice 30-06 and have hunted deer in PA, McKean County. But the Southern Zone of NY is not like the forests in PA. [/ QUOTE ] The entire state isn't like the bigger woods and mountains up there in Mckean county. Down here in farm land...there are prob. more hunters per square mile than deer in places and accidents are very rare. [ QUOTE ] Every tradition and season they want to flush down the toilet. I just don't see the need for rifles in the southern zone on NY. [/ QUOTE ] I guess thats why we differ on this issue...as much as I love turkey hunting, archery hunting and others...going out the first day of rifle season is a tradition for me, brother, buddy and his son. Later in the season...us and more family and friends gather for some deer drives...I would hate to see the PGC ever do away with rifle hunting here. By the way [ QUOTE ] It's not about the weapon, its about the hunt. [/ QUOTE ] I can only agree with that if you change "weapon" with "firearm" or "tool" or something else. Weapon is a tool for combat...we hunters aren't going into combat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maytom Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 Re: NY and rifles allowed Here's the actual link to the Bill concerning this topic. http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/leg/?bn=S00918 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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