johnf Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 I was watching Fox news the other night when the issue of profiling came up. I can't believe that this country is so afraid to offend someone that they won't look for the people who are causing the problems. If stocky 30 something baptists were blowing up buildings by flying planes into them I would expect to get checked everytime I said boo next to an airport. Yes I know the problems in WWII with the Japanese internment camps, but this is a whole kind of different problem. I think every person who feels the urge to bow to Mecca should be friscked everytime they enter any public transit area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: racial profiling They can call it what they want..... ,,,I call it National Security and Public Saftey, and I also think it needs to be alot stiffer than it is right now..... Sorry, if I can tolerate the delay,,,,,well so can they.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: racial profiling I agree with you. 99% Of the Suicide bombers are Muslims. Why shouldnt we profile them? Lets face it, you wont see too many christian men blowing themselves up, creating violence, because thats not what us christians believe in. I think i watched the same show you did John. Did it have that NYPD guy talking that there needs to be profiling on it? And this checking 1 in every 10 is a waste? Im sorry, but there is a point where profiling needs to be taken into consideration. Now is that time IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robk Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: racial profiling tried to figure this one out and i think i have it under control. first off you complain about profiling and i say who flew the planes intot he twin towers and why did they do it. stupidity does come into mind that they have bad info about being a muslim. now if i was to go and crash planes with my friends all my vietnam vet buddies we would also be profiled by the coutnries special polie or whatever you call them. why are the people like hussein and bin ladden so jealous of us. first off our women are put into positions to excel.. the men are weak to have done this avccording to the idiots like binladen. why would we profile them well their kind blew up the planes killed thousands of innocent people and then when we go to fight the folks in afghanistan we suddenly find ourselves in iraq as well because we were asked to help over throw the government and stop the cruelity there in iraq . they had the time to do as they were asked to follow but now that we are there we are doing a a great job and we have made it happen and we are making it possible for people there to stadn a good chance to work and make a living ifor his orher family rob k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuntingInMaine Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: racial profiling I don't think it should be considered racial profiling. If someone witnesses a murder and says the murder was white, then why would the police look into blacks or hispanics? Same thing with the terrorism. If it is middle eastern muslims committing these crimes, why would you look at another ethnic group? I don't think that ONLY male muslims should be watched carefully, there are plenty of whites, blacks, and other ethnic groups that are practicing muslims who may have the same twisted agenda. But it just makes sense to watch certain groups of people a little closer than others.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted July 31, 2005 Report Share Posted July 31, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] Lets face it, you wont see too many christian men blowing themselves up, creating violence, because thats not what us christians believe in. [/ QUOTE ] Neither do most Muslims, only the radicals that twist the Quran, kinda like the radical Christians who twist the bible to support their homosexual beating, abortion clinic bombing views. Both the Quran and the Bible have calls to violence, heck, who was it, Elisha or Elijah who called down a bear from the mountains to devour some kids who were making fun of him because of his bald head, thats rational there now isn't it. True believers and adherents of the Muslim and Christian faiths do not believe in executing the violence their religious texts call for because they are baseless in our day and age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling Oh Blah Blah Blah.....spare me the BS. Profile all of them. They have no rights...at least they shouldn't. Going back to the headline story last year about the arabs that complained because they were arrested for taking pictures of a bridge in New York City....was that a bunch of bull or what. If I was in charge, I would urge all Americans to keep an eye on them and watch their every move and if they don't like it, they can leave They are the ones that are killing us, no other ethnic backround....at least not right now anyway. But you know this country, we will build them mousques so they can gather around and plan the next hit on us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] They have no rights...at least they shouldn't. [/ QUOTE ] So an American born citizen, because of the color of his skin and a religious belief he is born in to should not be afforded the same rights as everyone else. If America comes to that, I'll leave! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They have no rights...at least they shouldn't. [/ QUOTE ] So an American born citizen, because of the color of his skin and a religious belief he is born in to should not be afforded the same rights as everyone else. If America comes to that, I'll leave! [/ QUOTE ] Slugo....It has nothing to do with color and you know it so don't play games....it is the arab community and if that's what it takes, then yes. And yes, it obviously has to do with their religion too because it is their religion that is killing us....and it isin't just the radicals either. Bye Slugo...where you going to go? You going to go join all your other Democrats and join in on the human shield around Baghdad or Iran or Syria...you better go get a head start because they are next Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] I agree with you. 99% Of the Suicide bombers are Muslims. Why shouldnt we profile them? Lets face it, you wont see too many christian men blowing themselves up, creating violence, because thats not what us christians believe in. I think i watched the same show you did John. Did it have that NYPD guy talking that there needs to be profiling on it? And this checking 1 in every 10 is a waste? Im sorry, but there is a point where profiling needs to be taken into consideration. Now is that time IMO. [/ QUOTE ] Yup same one, Brit Hume was actually visibly irritated at them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 1, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] Neither do most Muslims, only the radicals that twist the Quran, [/ QUOTE ] Have you read the Quran Sluggo? Cause I have. These terrorists and suicide bombers are good devout Muslems according to the Quaran. They are following it to a tea. I would equate your average freedom loving Muslem with the Baptist guy who cheats on his wife and gets his beer from the drive through window. They like to talk the talk, but walking the walk is another story. Do not be fooled. Any "Good" Muslem hates America, Christains, Jews, and yes even the athiests, and are more than happy to kill us all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling If anyone wants a true take on these musslims ask a soldier that has been their,,,,, These people will take what you have to offer until you turn your back to leave and then put a bullet in it...... I get real tired of hearing all of this soft hearted liberal thinking,,,,hey if they want to call it profiling, so be it. If they don't like it,,follow slugshooter to the door, HECK I'll even hold the darn thing open for ya... We have good folks over there trying to do some good for these so called great people and all they can do is protect and hide the ones that are cowards,,,,the best they can muster up with their so called great holy army is a bunch of coward bombings killing innocent people,,,and yet we have citizens here in the US that like to blow thier worthless mouths off while soldiers are doing the dirty work.......what I have to say to them is shutup or put-up..... ,,,it would be a different story if they were the ones being shot at on a dailey basis,,and dodging the cowardless bombings..... Well I guess buckee will show me the door to this room once again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Neither do most Muslims, only the radicals that twist the Quran, [/ QUOTE ] Have you read the Quran Sluggo? Cause I have. These terrorists and suicide bombers are good devout Muslems according to the Quaran. They are following it to a tea. I would equate your average freedom loving Muslem with the Baptist guy who cheats on his wife and gets his beer from the drive through window. They like to talk the talk, but walking the walk is another story. Do not be fooled. Any "Good" Muslim hates America, Christains, Jews, and yes even the athiests, and are more than happy to kill us all. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, My Uncle Read the Quran 2 times, and he says the same thing, they true muslims hate anyone that arent Muslims. And the true muslims are out there killing christians, jews, etc. Ok, I dont dislike muslims, but i definetly believe that a watchful eye should in a sense be placed over them. And I agree with TSBH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling Call it whatever you want, prevention is good. You cannot prevent attacks or hinder attacks if you ignore the attackers. As has been said above most of the suicide attacks have been carried out by arabic or muslim men. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling If it makes US safer, then so be it. I could care less about the feelings of a group of people that we know are trying ti kill Americans. Ever heard of peer pressure? Maybe if we do start racial profiling, those that aren't trying to kill Americans will do something about the ones that are, if they have any information that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling You know what I find disturbing about all this? If the majority of Muslims were against the acts of the terrorist, then why aren't they out there helping us stop them? Why aren't there at least protests in the streets calling for the terrorists to stop the violence? I have a very bad feeling that deep down, most of the Muslim community actually approves of the terrorists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] You know what I find disturbing about all this? If the majority of Muslims were against the acts of the terrorist, then why aren't they out there helping us stop them? Why aren't there at least protests in the streets calling for the terrorists to stop the violence? I have a very bad feeling that deep down, most of the Muslim community actually approves of the terrorists. [/ QUOTE ] You know, I feel that too. But, Ive got to give them credit for something, in Iraq and Egypt there is some people protesting the terrorists. although theres more protesting us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling A lot of you make some good points. VH your exactly right, most of the folks complaining about it or are against it have no clue what it's about and have never stepped foot on the sands of Iraq or any other Middle Eastern dirt pile. I forget who said about the Muslims not protesting all this, of course not because most of them want us dead too. Sure, maybe not all Muslims are terrorists or insurgents but ALOT of them have the same thoughts about Americans. But let's not profile them though right Slugo well.....at least till something happens that effects you though right Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling I resent the implications you have made about me in this thread and the thread where you called me out Mike. How about this for profiling, most of the DWI's in this town are by soldiers, so lets pull em all over and give em breathalizers, even if they don't drink. The soldiers in this town commit a good plenty of the crimes in this town, so lets profile all the soldiers in Fayetteville. By ya'lls way of thinking, that would be OK, but I can bet that it wouldn't go over near as well as profiling the villain of the month. Let's see, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, lets send every Japanese-American to a camp , regardless of whether or not they are natural born american citizens, same for the Germans, but hey, while their families are in an internment camp, there are some that are good enough to fight for us, and fought well I might add. Hey, while we're at it, lets give German POW's better rights than natural born African-Americans who are good enough to die for their country that hates them and makes them drink from a separate water fountain. Profiling gets innocent people killed, case in point, the trigger happy UK police who decided to shoot someone on a subway train who wasn't even of middle-eastern descent, on the sheer basis that he was dark skinned, and lived next door to one of the attackers. Unfortanately, his Visa was expired so thats why he ran from the police supposedly. When will it happen here, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. I love my country, I have served my country and I resent any implication that I am anything but a red-blooded American. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] I resent the implications you have made about me in this thread and the thread where you called me out Mike. How about this for profiling, most of the DWI's in this town are by soldiers, so lets pull em all over and give em breathalizers, even if they don't drink. The soldiers in this town commit a good plenty of the crimes in this town, so lets profile all the soldiers in Fayetteville. By ya'lls way of thinking, that would be OK, but I can bet that it wouldn't go over near as well as profiling the villain of the month. Let's see, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, lets send every Japanese-American to a camp , regardless of whether or not they are natural born american citizens, same for the Germans, but hey, while their families are in an internment camp, there are some that are good enough to fight for us, and fought well I might add. Hey, while we're at it, lets give German POW's better rights than natural born African-Americans who are good enough to die for their country that hates them and makes them drink from a separate water fountain. Profiling gets innocent people killed, case in point, the trigger happy UK police who decided to shoot someone on a subway train who wasn't even of middle-eastern descent, on the sheer basis that he was dark skinned, and lived next door to one of the attackers. Unfortanately, his Visa was expired so thats why he ran from the police supposedly. When will it happen here, I'm surprised it hasn't happened yet. I love my country, I have served my country and I resent any implication that I am anything but a red-blooded American. [/ QUOTE ] Sluggo, you are comparing apples to oranges here. fayetteville is a CITY, where as the terrorists are attcking AMERICAN CITIZENS, here and abroad. your comparison in this instance has no merit whatsoever. Slug, you say you are a Red-blooded american here, but sometimes what you say may leads others to think otherwise......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] Sluggo, you are comparing apples to oranges here. fayetteville is a CITY, where as the terrorists are attcking AMERICAN CITIZENS, here and abroad. your comparison in this instance has no merit whatsoever. Slug, you say you are a Red-blooded american here, but sometimes what you say may leads others to think otherwise......... [/ QUOTE ] Profiling is profiling no matter where you do it. Would I profile someone in Iraq if I were there, most likely, will I profile someone in America based on the color of his skin, nope, and color does matter, there are White American Muslims, I guarantee you they don't get profiled because they don't "look" like Muslims. Whenever something happens in this country, the people of middle eastern descent are singled out, Oklahoma City, Atlanta Olympics, if it happened in the 1940's, people would be looking at every person of Asian descent, and the only way to profile someone based on race is to look at the color of their skin, and I will have no part of it, and I suspect that if the role were reversed, as has been said, that balding, middle aged men were committing heinous crimes, which they do every day by the way, they would have no problem being profiled, well, that is utter bull kaka. As far as being anti-American, lets see, I want the troops home, I don't agree with how the American people were led into war, I don't believe in profiling based on nationality or skin color, I believe in the opportunity to worship however one sees fit. According to the conservatives, that makes me anti-American, while the conservatives believe in the exact opposite of what I believe and they are somehow more American than I am. It makes me so **** sick to be even considered anti-American. I personally don't care whether anyone on here thinks I am anti-American or not. I just don't understand how someone can claim to be an American but can't stand Americans. This is not a cookie cutter society, God help us if it becomes one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] I believe in the opportunity to worship however one sees fit. [/ QUOTE ] Sluggo,, there's the problem right there my man..... Are you really sure you want to stand behind that statement ??? Or did you say that because you are in a heated mood right now ?? In the religion we are talking about, they worship the eratication of anyone that isn't of their religion or nationality.....They believe in only the pure line of musslim blood....... So in their eye's you must go,,,,,,and that includes you sluggo,,,,,,, And on another note,,, you say you want our troops home and don't stand behind how they were led into war.........Well my man I take it you were never in the service were you ?? We as soldiers don't ask such question,,,,when the orders come down that we are needed to defend our nation and her citizens,,,,We as soldiers suite up and put on our war paint and say which direction and who's the enemy and lets get this party started........and we do it with PRIDE and HONOR.......So as a soldier I could care less what you think...... And as for soldiers breaking the law,,,,we do have MP's and SP's that will take care of that little matter,,,but remember this, they wear the uniform that helps keep those laws working for you becuase if they didn't you just may be bowing to anoter Binladin or Hussain,,,,,,it would be best that you REMEMBER that..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling Actually VH, he was in the Service. But you know how Kerry was though....he sorta like turned his back on it Hey the UK arab guy...oh well, take one for the team buddy . I will definatley call someone out if I know they are wrong or at least I think they are wrong We need to profile them. Tell me, if you were getting ready to drive over a bridge and you seen two guys wrapped in bed sheets taking pictures of the bridge that you were just getting ready to cross you wouldn't be nervous .....I thought so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] And on another note,,, you say you want our troops home and don't stand behind how they were led into war.........Well my man I take it you were never in the service were you ?? We as soldiers don't ask such question,,,,when the orders come down that we are needed to defend our nation and her citizens,,,,We as soldiers suite up and put on our war paint and say which direction and who's the enemy and lets get this party started........and we do it with PRIDE and HONOR.......So as a soldier I could care less what you think...... [/ QUOTE ] As Mike said, I was in the service, regardless of the branch, if I was ordered to serve in a war, I would have done so, and I would have done my duty. But does that mean that as a soldier you should be led blindly into a war based on misinformation, or would you like to know that the objectives that were laid out on the table and to the UN and to the world were actually there. So, as a veteran, I care what you think and will defend your right to say it, unlike the neo-cons who believe that anything directly opposite their views should be censored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Re: racial profiling [ QUOTE ] Hey the UK arab guy...oh well, take one for the team buddy . [/ QUOTE ] Thats the problem, he wasn't arabic, he was BRAZILIAN, thats about as far away from middle eastern as you can get, but the fact that he had dark skin and lived next door to one of the London bombers apparently was his fault. Profiling at it's best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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