Guest Sagitarius Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Lately it seems that there are alot of posts on here that are describing alot of questionable shots, ie. low light, bad angle, long shots...... What are your opininons on this? I believe that it is due to alot of the hunting videos that take these shots and then gush into the camera "That was a great shot!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSGB Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I agree. I would never take a shot unless I am comfortable and feel I have a good chance of recovery. I wouldn't take a shot because "I saw it on TV". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I can't explain why people take bad shots. Maybe just inexperience, lack of patience or just being ignorant (not stupid, ignorant) to the consequences. I hope it isn't they don't care. Personally, I restrict myself to 25 yards and in quartering away or broadside. I hate the thought of losing a deer...that and looking for crappy sign trailing it for hours trying to recover it. All that is wasted time when I could have just waited for a better shot. We all hear "work smarter, not harder". I think that applies to "hunt smarter, not harder" as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] I believe that it is due to alot of the hunting videos that take these shots and then gush into the camera "That was a great shot!" [/ QUOTE ] That could be part of it...they need footage to make a show/video and may not want to admit they've made a bad shot. There is (IMO) a difference in bad shots and questionable shots. We all had something go wrong and make a bad shot, things happen. But if your just shooting at brown to try and kill a deer, that person should get lessons before taking to the woods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sagitarius Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] We all had something go wrong and make a bad shot, things happen. But if your just shooting at brown to try and kill a deer, that person should get lessons before taking to the woods. [/ QUOTE ]I agree that we have all had something go bad, but whenever I, and the majority of the regulars here talk about it, you can see the regret that an animal had to suffer. What I am talking about is the complete obliviousness to the fact that a bad shot was taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] Lately it seems that there are alot of posts on here that are describing alot of questionable shots, ie. low light, bad angle, long shots...... [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree that we have all had something go bad, but whenever I, and the majority of the regulars here talk about it, you can see the regret that an animal had to suffer. What I am talking about is the complete obliviousness to the fact that a bad shot was taken. [/ QUOTE ] Steve, you started out with a question and then by that last statement it looks (to me anyway) that you turned it into a condemnation... I don't recall seeing alot of posts lately of people being "completely oblivious" to bad shot placement... I certainly don't mind your first question but your last statement I think is out of line... If your ok with yourself and the majority of the regulars and someone else makes a post and describes bad shot placement then be free to bring it up in there post I'm not try to start anything, just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... My opinion is this. Even on a perfect broadside or quartering away shot. A number of things can go wrong, from the animal taking a sudden step, to an unseen twig, or the hunter just flat making a bad shot, due to "buck" fever, or not following through, or punching at the release. Lots of things can happen in the heat of the moment. All of these can take a perfect shot oppurtunity, and turn it into a nightmare. Why tempt fate on a less then desireable, or a downright unethical shot! sure you can make that shot 10 out of 10 times on a 3d deer, at a known distance. There are so many more variables that come into effect in a hunting situation. For those reasons, and the fact that I know first hand the sick feeling of making a lethal shot, and not being able to recover the deer, I am very picky about my shot choices. I have passed up 3 or 4 shots this year, that I know I could have made on a 3D deer, but just didn't want to chance for real. Thats just my opinion on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sagitarius Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] I don't recall seeing alot of posts lately of people being "completely oblivious" to bad shot placement... [/ QUOTE ] Two that come to mind are the one just recently "sticking a hog" and "Shot a doe, didn't find her. The CAN Works!!". If it sounded like a condemnation, then I apologise. I am slightly fired up about this as the anti's are all over this board and looking for any amunition that they can get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I think it si probably just that we remember those posts more. I do feel that some videos promote bad shots. Yesterday i watched a guy on a show shoot an elk after being at fuoll draw for so long his arm was swaying wildly. Teh elk was at over 40 yards. He hit it in teh hind leg, then says it was becausee the elk had goen 20 yards farther since he drew. Then he should have shot under it, not hit it in teh back leg. Bottom line, we will all have times that we question a shot choice. We just need to know what we can do, and not let others abilities, or choices affect ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I don't recall seeing alot of posts lately of people being "completely oblivious" to bad shot placement... [/ QUOTE ] Two that come to mind are the one just recently "sticking a hog" and "Shot a doe, didn't find her. The CAN Works!!". If it sounded like a condemnation, then I apologise. I am slightly fired up about this as the anti's are all over this board and looking for any amunition that they can get. [/ QUOTE ] Steve. not sure if one of them you are refering to was my post about a doeI shot where the arrow didnt penetrate or not but im sure it is. Let me ask you a question, if you have a deer feeding, broadside to you at 15 yrds, with just her head and front legs turned slightly, and i mean very slightly towards you is it an ethical shot??Would you take it?All I did was underestimate how far her twisting her body like that would put her shoulder blade back, if Id of hit 1 inch farther to the rear it woulda been a double lung shot.Ive never shot a deer that was standing in that particuliar position before and i bet a lotta other guys havent either in here.I had no idea that would effect the position of her shoulder blade on her body, in hindsight i probably should have but through a real small peep sight it looked like a clean shot.One inch was all that saved her, there was no blood anywhere and Im almost certain the shot didnt kill her, the arrow couldnt have went in past the broadhead. Everyones gonna make a bad shot, does this make it unethical?Would you have took the shot i just described?point is plain and simple, if you werent in the stand with them you dont know the circumstances surrounding that particuliar shot, so you have no business questioning thier ethics.A lotta things happen real fast sometimes and trying to type all that into a forum sometimes things get lost in the translation. Speaking of questionable shots on video I was watching these guys sheep hunting on the outdoor channel this morning.The sheep were running away and one stopped to look back, he was facing almost staight away from the hunters.They ranged him at 402 yrds, with a little red dot on the screen they showed where "proper' shot placement would have to be on this animal.It was almost straight up his butt.How did a guy shooting a sheep in the butt at 400 yrds get his own tv show.At least they advised not to try that shot unless you were well aquianted with your rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinger-Hunter Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I don't know that there are alot of people that take bad shots. There are situations where it was a good opportunity, but maybe didn't hit dead-on or it wasn't the perfect situation, but unethical shots I doubt there are many here. I haven't seen a post yet where someone took a shot at a monster buck and it turned out to be their bro-in-law...That's an unethical shot. I laugh everytime I see a deer that had a twig in front of it and the host of the T.V. show is saying "I had to wait until that twig was out of my way". Meanwhile, they were shooting a 30-06 and the deer was only 100-150 yards away. It's ridiculous. I think the standards that 99% of the hunters on here are good and some are a little too extreme. Noone is perfect, but I would trust 99% of the people that post on this forum as a hunting partner, for sure. Hope you guys feel the same way about your brethren. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] I just had this discussion with my girlfriends son. We were watching a Michael Waddell hunt on video and he took a shot at a nice buck at an EXTREME quartering to angle. I know the camera often is not in the "over the shoulder" position, but the arrow center-punched the crease between the deer's brisket and left shoulder so I know this was not the case. The sad part of the story is that he pulled the shot off and the deer quickly expired. I think Realtree should have shown better judgement by not including that hunt on their video... don't tell me they didn't have enough footage to make a quality product without this hunt. How many guys take enough pressure shots at live targets to execute a shot like this??? Not many I'd wager. However, I bet a lot will try it because they wanna "be like Mike." Some will pull it off... many more will simply maim a whitetail. [/ QUOTE ] I was just watching the DVD with that hunt on it last night. It was a shot that I would never dream of taking, although it was definately effective. After the shot, he said something along the lines of " it don't matter where the entrance hole is, it's the exit hole you need to worry about". I don't think it was the greatest message for a beginning bowhunter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I have to believe that most of the hunters here in the forums look to take an ethical shot. It is also apparent that there is some influence on shot choices/decisions based on what has been seen on TV/videos. Also, there appears to be more of a willingness to take less than optimal shots when the animal is of "trophy" quality. What you see on TV/videos and the size of the animal should have no influence on your shot choices. Yes, things happen, the deer takes a step, an unseen twig, the bow limb hits something, etc., but the shot choice should be one that has the highest possibility of a quick, clean kill. That, for an archery hunter, means a broadside, quartering away, or a slight quartering toward angle. If one can not reasonably expect to hit both lungs, then the shot should not be taken. One lung shots, while often fatal, are not really an acceptable choice. Straight down, facing, straight away and sharply angled shots should be avoided. That is my opinion and I am sure many will disagree, stating that they made such and such a shot. What an individual thinks is ethical and what is truly ethical are often not one and the same. My ethics are a lot tighter than most, but than again, I am the one I have to live with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... Too often people base their opinions on their own abilities or experiences. If they have less shooting ability and/or hunt skittish animals they are used to close range encounters only. Not all animals often jump the string like whitetails, and can be shot from longer distances. We all agree that arrow/bullet placement needs to be in the vitals to ensure a quick clean kill. It really does not matter how it gets there. It can pass through the front, back, side, or top, as long as it can cause damage to the vitals. A Texas Heart Shot is extremely lethal when the arrow/bullet penetrates the vitals. It does make for a nasty dressing job and when done so with a firearm, ruins a lot of meat, but it is very effective. Knowing your equipments limitations is as big of a deal as knowing your accuracy limitations. Maybe I give people too much credit for having common sence, but it is a big factor. Before we bad mouth or condone a shot, do we know the shooters accuracy ability, equipment, knowledge of equipment, distance to target, target orientation, targets level of nervousness, obstructions between shooter and target, etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] That is my opinion and I am sure many will disagree, stating that they made such and such a shot. What an individual thinks is ethical and what is truly ethical are often not one and the same. My ethics are a lot tighter than most, but than again, I am the one I have to live with. [/ QUOTE ] Funny, I thought ethics were a personal thing, and the whole point behind them was that your the one hat has to live with them.Now according to your statement I might not be ethical at all.Im not disagreeing based on shot choices, Im disagreeing based on the fact that a lotta you times you have just a couple seconds to make up your mind, get drawn, aimed and shoot.And only you know what you are capable of.If you blow it and take a bad shot in those couple seconds does it make you unethical?Or just mean you misjudged the situation that one time? I didnt get into the "I stuck a Hawg post" because i was afraid Id say something that would really piss someone off.But it keeps getting harped on over and over and people keep saying they wouldnt have took that shot.How do you know?You werent there and the majority of people who said that havent ever seen a 180 class buck from a treestand, much less close enough to shoot at. Micheal waddel shot a deer quartering towards him, if I understood right he put the arrow where the brisket and front leg come together.Unethical?Theres less bone in the way there then you have on a broadside shot, matter of fact every deer Ive cut up theres no bone where them come together.In terms of penatration, this is probably the ideal spot to shoot one.Its all vitals on the far side of that point as well.He knew he could make that shot, it was his call.The buck I killed last year was shot the same way, facing straight at me.I was on the ground, he was facing straight at me walking towards me in a picked beanfield, only thing in between us at the time I shot was about 5 yrds.I knew it would take his vitals out and I knew he had to run over a half mile to even get outta sight of me, much less to get into anything to hide in.He dropped well within sight of me.I knew all these things well in advance though and it was a risk I was 99% sure would pay off.Does this make it an unethical shot?Id do it again under the same circumstances, would I do it in a heavily covered area, not a chance.Theres different circumstances surrounding every shot, if you werent in those circumstances once again you probably cant say you wouldnt have done it.Would I recomend taking this shot to anyone else, nope, thats something they have to decide for themselves depending on the circumstances of thier hunt. I will agree size shouldnt influence a shot, but it very often does.Some shots shouldnt be taken, but thats common sense stuff, if you dont have enough light to shoot, if the deers farther out than you can confidently shoot, things like that.But shot angles something you have to decide for yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... Shot selection risk assessment is indeed an individual choice and one that any responsible bowhunter should consider carefully. A good time to consider it is here in these forums rather than mulling over all the consequences in the field under "heat-of-the-battle" situations. That is why I like these kinds of topics. It gives us the opportunity to thrash out all the different scenarios ahead of time. One thing that should enter into risk assessment for shot selections is the fact that we spend a lot of time, money and conversation trying to convince ourselves and the rest of the world that hunting is a humane method of wildlife population control. We generally do this by arguing that a hunter's bullet or arrow is one of the quicker and more humane ways that any animal is likely to die when considering the more cruel ways that Mother Nature has. As responsible hunters, it is up to us to follow through on that argument by doing our best to see that our methods are as humane as we advertise. Sure, there are going to be situations where we can't guarantee that things are going to come out as we planned. Deer do jump the string. Deer do move at the moment of release. Occasionally there will be a twig or some other obstruction that we didn't see. But, deer anatomy is a very highly publicized science and there really is no reason or benefit to the animal or the sport of hunting for purposefully taking shots that we know have low probability for success, and that fact remains true whether the prey is a fawn or a record book buck. It is also true, that our prowess on the target range should not be a factor in shot selection. If you have to rely on ultra-precision shooting to make a killing shot, you are probably not taking a high percentage shot. You are also removing all forgiveness for the uncontrollable possibilities that I mentioned above. Poor judgement in shot selection due to excitement certainly can be a fact of life and being beyond your control, is mostly excusable, but it should be owned up to as poor judgement without any attempts to otherwise justify bad decisions. I have not lost a deer in quite few years, and I regard restrictive shot selection as the biggest factor. I sure don't take as many shots as I used to, and in fact don't always get as many deer as I used to, but the sacrifices have been worth it to me because I have also not been encountered with that sickening feeling of wounding a deer and not getting it. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I really don't know. I guess everyone has a little different opinion on what an acceptable shot is. I was always taught that for bowhunting, if it's not broadside or quartering away, don't even think about it. And thats exactly what I go by. I've had a couple monsters over the years well within bow range that never offered me a broadside or quartering away shot and they all walked away without me drawing my bow. It's tough, but I'd much rather let one walk away unharmed then take a questionable shot and never recovery it. It wouldnt matter to me how big the deer is, if the angle isnt right I'm not going to shoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] Shot selection risk assessment is indeed an individual choice and one that any responsible bowhunter should consider carefully. A good time to consider it is here in these forums rather than mulling over all the consequences in the field under "heat-of-the-battle" situations. That is why I like these kinds of topics. It gives us the opportunity to thrash out all the different scenarios ahead of time. [/ QUOTE ] Theres a difference between talking things out ahead of time and comments like [ QUOTE ] I can't explain why people take bad shots. Maybe just inexperience, lack of patience or just being ignorant (not stupid, ignorant) to the consequences. I hope it isn't they don't care. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What I am talking about is the complete obliviousness to the fact that a bad shot was taken. [/ QUOTE ] And Ive seen a lotta more negative comments than these in several of the other recent posts.im not talking about discussing shot placement, Im talking about people who read a post and then ride the guys butt about it for as long as possible preaching about ethics.I see it happen in every hunting website I visit, not just here and most of them its a lot worse than it is in here.Theres a fine line between debating somethings and flat out criticism of another person.A lotta what ive read recently has leaned more towards outright critism than anything that can be usefully learned from.Thats the only reason I even posted anything on this to start with.If people wanna give thier opinions thats fine, if you wanna question somebodies ethics and preach about a situation youve probably never been in thats another thing alltogether.If you wanna accuse somebody of deliberately taking a bad shot remember the next time you shoot at a deer you might be the one with no blood trail and an arrow in a spot you never aimed for.And depending on how you word your posts in here you might be the next one getting your butt chewed for shot placement. One last thing and Im done, when talking about showing remorse or admitting to a mistake a lotta you guys need to realize, when people post in here theyre trying to describe something thats not easy to describe, they usually have a deer shot that they havent recovered yet and are worried about recovering, and thier minds not alltogether on the post thier making, if its worded poorly you oughta try giving them the benifit of the doubt, eventually what actually happened will come out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... If you make a bad questionable unethical shot then own up too just learn from the mistake and never do it again ... its really quite simple Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... Is it wrong to express an opinion that a particular shot selection is a low percentage shot and should not be taken? Is that a negative reply? Is that "flat out criticism of another person"? We have another topic running here that involves a new hunter that shot a deer in the shoulder on purpose, because of some information that he saw on a TV program. Should we just tell him, "well, buck up little buddy, maybe next time it will work for you", or should we tell him that the shoulder is not a good archery aiming spot. I think that post was a great opportunity to straighten out a misconception and help a beginning archer on his way to successful bowhunting. However, if we fear that that will be construed as "flat out criticism of another person", this bowhunter will continue to aim for the shoulder. He may even have occasional success and begin to swear by that shot. Which is helping the bowhunter more, to totally ignore his misconception or try to convince him that he has been given some bum information? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] Is it wrong to express an opinion that a particular shot selection is a low percentage shot and should not be taken? Is that a negative reply? Is that "flat out criticism of another person"? We have another topic running here that involves a new hunter that shot a deer in the shoulder on purpose, because of some information that he saw on a TV program. Should we just tell him, "well, buck up little buddy, maybe next time it will work for you", or should we tell him that the shoulder is not a good archery aiming spot. I think that post was a great opportunity to straighten out a misconception and help a beginning archer on his way to successful bowhunting. However, if we fear that that will be construed as "flat out criticism of another person", this bowhunter will continue to aim for the shoulder. He may even have occasional success and begin to swear by that shot. Which is helping the bowhunter more, to totally ignore his misconception or try to convince him that he has been given some bum information? Doc [/ QUOTE ] Doc, I gave two examples from this post alone of what I was talking about, niether one was an opinion, just cricitism.One was calling people ignorant, the other, oblivious to the fact a bad shot was taken. I was the first one in the deer hunting room to point out a shoulder blade shot with a bow was a low percentage shot, but I didnt harp on it or ride the guys **** about for the length of the post.If you cant see the difference I dont know what to tell you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... There seems to be some negative connotation that you are placing on the word ignorant. I will tell you that there are a lot of subjects that I am ignorant about as well as everyone else. Unless you know 100% about everything, I would imagine that you are ignorant on some subjects as well. That is not a personal attack. It's just an acknowledgement that there may be something that another person is unaware of. I also noted that the poster went out of his way to clearly specify and emphasize that he meant ignorant and not stupid. It's important that we don't attach meanings to words that aren't really there. The other comment, "oblivious to the fact", is exactly the same thing....just a different phrase that means the same thing. Again, in my world, their are many facts that I am oblivious too. If someone points that out, that is their opinion and may even be a fact, but that doesn't make that a personal attack. The new archer that I referred to who thought the shoulder shot was a correct choice was ignorant of the fact that it is not. One could also say he was oblivious to the fact that aiming at the shoulder with a bow is not a good choice. Neither of these statements should be considered negative. These are not personal attacks. He was misinformed by some TV show and without any further advice or guidance was ignorant of, and oblivious to the correct shot placement. I hate to come with a reply that sounds like some kind of English lesson, but I think that it is important that we do not start going out of our way to look for things to be offended at. The language is quite specific and if we start attaching negative meanings to harmless opinions just to try to prove a point, I'm afraid that we are all going to start getting a bit gun-shy about responding to messages at all. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] There seems to be some negative connotation that you are placing on the word ignorant. I will tell you that there are a lot of subjects that I am ignorant about as well as everyone else. Unless you know 100% about everything, I would imagine that you are ignorant on some subjects as well. That is not a personal attack. It's just an acknowledgement that there may be something that another person is unaware of. I also noted that the poster went out of his way to clearly specify and emphasize that he meant ignorant and not stupid. It's important that we don't attach meanings to words that aren't really there. The other comment, "oblivious to the fact", is exactly the same thing....just a different phrase that means the same thing. Again, in my world, their are many facts that I am oblivious too. If someone points that out, that is their opinion and may even be a fact, but that doesn't make that a personal attack. The new archer that I referred to who thought the shoulder shot was a correct choice was ignorant of the fact that it is not. One could also say he was oblivious to the fact that aiming at the shoulder with a bow is not a good choice. Neither of these statements should be considered negative. These are not personal attacks. He was misinformed by some TV show and without any further advice or guidance was ignorant of, and oblivious to the correct shot placement. I hate to come with a reply that sounds like some kind of English lesson, but I think that it is important that we do not start going out of our way to look for things to be offended at. The language is quite specific and if we start attaching negative meanings to harmless opinions just to try to prove a point, I'm afraid that we are all going to start getting a bit gun-shy about responding to messages at all. Doc [/ QUOTE ] Doc, I think the thing that everyone else is saying is the same thing that I have been trying to say for the last few days. There is a difference between stating your opinion and riding a guys butt for something that is in the past. And that is where I draw the line. It doesn't matter to me if that is on a hunting forum or in a deacon's meeting at church. It just burns me up when I see someone who can't let dead dogs lie about "something that they would have never done"...............again, it is like the previous posts have said, there is nothing wrong with stating an opinion...........seems like that is all that everyone has done for the last week about this thread...........but let's leave the "let's beat them further in the ground because they made a mistake" attitude in a hole somewhere and cover it up with 6 foot of dirt. Sorry again for seeming like I am not exactly o.k. with these attitudes, but they bother me! Everywhere I have looked on these forums it talks about "family" and a "great hunting community"........in my community, we all attempt to do our best to get along and not beat the crap out of each other. Sorry, again, these are just my .02 worth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... I think what gives you the impression that he was being "picked on" is the fact that so many people responded with the same message about the proprioty of the shot. It may seem like "piling on", but I think it was more of a case of many different members replying with the same opinion. Of course if the guy is going to come back on and argue that the shot was indeed proper and indicate that he would do it again, then it should be no surprise that the topic would be extended further. The rest of the responses were not about the shot at all, but more relative to people offering opinions on such matters. Specifically the "holier than thou forum" topic. The other spin-off topics (of which this is one) probably were not necessary. If the whole discussion had taken place within the same topic, I think it would have been a much shorter discussion. They basically were the same subject but got new life breathed into it because they were appearing under new topic headings. I personally thought it was a good discussion that may have outlasted its usefulness, but I am very happy to see such things discussed here. I think there is much to be learned by discussing shot selections and many other such topics as long as we don't get too involved in trying to stifle free flow of opinion and don't get too carried away with the passion of the argument. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Re: Questionable shots......... [ QUOTE ] We have another topic running here that involves a new hunter that shot a deer in the shoulder on purpose, because of some information that he saw on a TV program. Should we just tell him, "well, buck up little buddy, maybe next time it will work for you", [/ QUOTE ] Speaking of which why were 86 people happy to give thier opinions on the shot takien in the Hog thread but when a new hunter asks for advice a grand total of 5 replies were made?tell me again how were educating people in here and not criticizing them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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