Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan) Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 I live in Colorado, the state that elected Tom Tancredo. He has got some things right (like sealing our border with Mexico) but for the most part embarrasses me that he represents my state. The statement he made about nukeing Mecca if a city in the US is nuked by terrrorists is just plain stupid. Here is an analogy: A right wing Christain bombs a federal building in Oklahoma, The US responds by bombing Jerusalem. It doesn't make sense to kill innocent people and I sure hope that most Americans still know that. BeanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo I might be in the minority here, but IF middle east terrorists ever did manage to nuke a US city, I wouldn't be opposed to carpet bombing or even nuking a large portion of the Middle East, Mecca included. Otherwise, there's no deterrent to keep them from doing whatever they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Well first off I think its idiotic for any politician to be making offhand comments about launching nukes.Its not something they should take lightly. But if terrorists ever did manage to nuke a U.S. city I wouldnt be opposed at all to nuking them as long as it would prevent anymore strikes against the U.S..By that i mean I would hope theyd be able to locate and bomb the area where the attack originated and kill the people responsible for it.If civilians were killed as well, well, if it came down to them or more of us Im gonna have to go with taking them out.Somehow I dont think terrorists with nuclear resources would stop at one U.S. city.Im glad i wouldnt have to make tht decision either way. Frankly the idea of a extremist wacko with a nuclear missile scares me a lot more than N. Korea or any other country developing them, these guys have pretty well proven theyre not afraid to use anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan) Posted August 11, 2005 Report Share Posted August 11, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Horst, I agree with you. If it were to happen and we could get the people and or country responsible then I would be all for it. What I'm saying is for America to indiscriminately bomb a holy site because of some wacko's, who aren't hiding out there, and killing innocent people, well, that is not what America stands for. BeanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Have to agree with what Chris says here. Dont know exactly what Tancredo said, but maybe it was taken out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Whenever somebody says something stupid, whether it be Republican, Democrat, liberal, or conservative, and they start taking heat for it, their excuse is their comments were taken out of context. Maybe if people would think before they speak then they wouldn't have so much of what they say taken out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 12, 2005 Report Share Posted August 12, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo That is something that should never have been said by a person in his postion. But, if they (the Muslem terrorist) hit any city in the US with a nuke, I would not shed a single tear seeing any city in the Middle East burned down to a sheet of glass with nukes. Mecca included. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Not making any excuses sluggo. What exactly was the statement the made? How do I or anyone else for that matter draw an opinion based on what someone generalizes someone else as saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan) Posted August 13, 2005 Report Share Posted August 13, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Here is the quote. I've also put in a link to the whole conversation "Well, what if you said something like - if this happens in the United States, and we determine that it is the result of extremist, fundamentalist Muslims, you know, you could take out their holy sites," Tancredo answered. "You're talking about bombing Mecca," Campbell said. "Yeah," Tancredo responded. "]http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/state/article/0] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted August 14, 2005 Report Share Posted August 14, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo I believe an eye for an eye would cover this one, and agree with the man. If the terrorists bomb a city of innocent people just because they are Americans, then bombing Mecca just because it is the heart of the Muslims is not out of line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo First off, Mecca is a holy site, not really a city, a more appropriate city to retaliate on would be Riyadh, but Riyadh, as well as Mecca, are perfectly safe regardless of any city the terrorists might happen to destroy because of one reason and one reason only, they are in Saudi Arabia, and you know as well as I do that George Bush would blow up The White House before he ever touched Saudi Arabia. Regardless of what the consensus on here is, the Muslim faith is peaceful, the Koran tells them to kill the infidel, well, the bible advocates killing also. The difference is in the interpretation, good Christians know they aren't supposed to go out and blow up abortion clinics and lynch gays, and true Muslims know they aren't supposed to fly planes into buildings. The militant radical muslims are to blame for terrorism, you know, the ones who stretch the interpretation of the koran, just like the militant radical Christians who interpret the bible to support their murderous ways. Bombing Mecca would only give them more ammunition, besides, I guess the equivalent to Mecca here would be what? The Crystal Cathedral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 15, 2005 Report Share Posted August 15, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo The bible however does not teach to kill those who don't believe the way you do. Even some of the books in the old testimant give non-believers blessings for supporting the jewish people. The New Testimant very specifically says to "shake the dust off of your sandels" when they choose not to convert. Never does it say to kill non-believers. I rubuke you Sluggo for taking God's Word out of context. Death or the fear of, is the primary method for conversion in the Koran. Can you not see that. Read it, it is plainly written. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo [ QUOTE ] I rubuke you Sluggo for taking God's Word out of context. [/ QUOTE ] YOU WHAT!!! That's about the funniest **** thing I have read one here in a long time!!!Who are you to rebuke me!!! The last time I checked you weren't Christ himself, I can't believe you even said that. I have read worse comments on here from people who claim to be Christians who preach and preach to people and then make comments that only support my argument of how people aren't as "Godly" as they claim to be. About the only person I believe on here to be truly Christian is Buckee. Most of the posts on here regarding religion are taken out of context to support his or her specific belief. I may quote scripture and get into some of the religious debates, but I don't parade around and say I am a devoted Christian and then go off and say things that the rest of you claim are said by Godless liberals. Some of the nastiest comments I have ever read, either on here, or by "conservative" members of the media are stuff I wouldn't say to an enemy. You say I am taking the Bible out of context, well, I say you take it out of context, I also say you take the Koran out of context as you do with what I post on here. I rebuke you for taking me out of context. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo I'll keep this short....Carpet bomb all of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo rebuke reuke rebuke I never claimed to be Christ, nor do you have to be to rebuke. I rebuked you first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan) Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo I still don't get why people believe if terrorists from Afghanistan (or wherever) bomb the US then we should respond by killing a bunch of people in a different country just because they have the same religion. Go after the Killers and do what it takes. BeanMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo I agree Beanman [ QUOTE ] the bible advocates killing also [/ QUOTE ] Yes and no slugger. In the old testament, God did tell his people to go in and wipe out whole cities, etc, but that was on God's personal command and it was to establish his law. We live under a new covenant today, not the old covenant. Christians are not called by God today to go in and wipe out nations, just because they don't believe what we do. We are however called to spread the good word of Salvation through Jesus Christ. (Christ crucified and risen for our sins). We are also called, especially a soldier, to obey his leader. Lets just hope our leaders have their act together. That's why it's so important to pray for our leaders, whoever they are. Johnf, saying things like "I rebuke you, I rebuke you" are meaningless drivel. to rebuke someone means to criticize, reprove sharply reprimand, tell someone off, or correct someone sharply. To just say "I rebuke you" is really meaningless. Just thought I'd point that out bud. And, if your going to tell slugger off for something he said about the bible, try to do it with a little more love , if you can muster some up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo [ QUOTE ] I'll keep this short....Carpet bomb all of it [/ QUOTE ] LOL, I almost knew that was coming Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo [ QUOTE ] First off, Mecca is a holy site, not really a city, a more appropriate city to retaliate on would be Riyadh, but Riyadh, as well as Mecca, are perfectly safe regardless of any city the terrorists might happen to destroy because of one reason and one reason only, they are in Saudi Arabia, and you know as well as I do that George Bush would blow up The White House before he ever touched Saudi Arabia. [/ QUOTE ] Where in the world did that come from? Are you talking about the "warmongering, trigger happy, nuke 'em all and let God sort 'em out, cowboy from Texas"? That's a rather typical liberal response. First, he's overly agressive, but given some hypothetical scenario he would obviously be too chicken to take on the Saudis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted August 16, 2005 Report Share Posted August 16, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo [ QUOTE ] Johnf, saying things like "I rebuke you, I rebuke you" are meaningless drivel. to rebuke someone means to criticize, reprove sharply reprimand, tell someone off, or correct someone sharply. To just say "I rebuke you" is really meaningless. Just thought I'd point that out bud. And, if your going to tell slugger off for something he said about the bible, try to do it with a little more love , if you can muster some up [/ QUOTE ] He quoted the bible out of context and I pointed that out. Is that not the purest definition of a rebuke? BTW Buckee I do agree that saying " I rubuke you" in itself is meaningless. That's the same as saying "I'm getting on to you" or "I'm correcting your mistake" and then not being specifica about it. The second post was meant to be a joke. I guess it wasn't funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo here's the story: muslims everywhere are silent whenever americans are killed, or bombings anywhere (like london) have occurred. michael savage started an idea a year ago that basically puts muslims everywhere on notice. he said (not word for word) "muslims, we forgive you. we forgive you for the uss cole incident. we forgive you for marine barracks bombings. we forgive you for the 911 bombings. and we forgive you for all your past other attacks. the slate is clean as of today. but, you must stop. you must controll your people. now, if you do not controll your own people, after the next attack, we will nuke mecca, and it will be a parking lot for the next 100 years. (remember, all muslims MUST make at least 1 visit to mecca to enter heaven) point is, muslims world wide turn their head at aggression toward any non muslim. they do, in fact, want us to all convert or kill us. it's in the kouran. so, with that thought, all muslims will now want the killing to stop. a major deterrent, if you will. tancredo passed along this thought. i agree with him. i'm in favor of our politicians creating a MANDATE for this, and all future presidents. this will be a pre-determined action taken against any country that attacks us. let's say, for example, that 3 saudies get a nuke and wipe out new york. this mandate will tell the president that he MUST, not may, wipe out the country of the terrorists. nuke them off the map. no discussions, no further approval, just direct the missel and let er rip. this mandate can be done now, while at peace, and simply be a future directive. think that may deter muslims, or anyone else, from actively trying to wipe us out? i do. and i also firmly believe that while 90% of the muslim community may be very good, that evil 10% has to be stopped. since christ walked the earth, there has not been a recorded 10 years of continuous peace in the middle east. all these people understand is brute force. we need to not only show them brute force, we need to aquaint them with it. well, so much for my mild and passive side... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phaseolus (BeanMan) Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo Next Question, When Timothy McVeigh bombs the Federal building in Oklahoma City what terrorist city should we wipe out? It should be part of a national policy to wipe out some city after a terrorist attack like that. Beanman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldawg Posted August 21, 2005 Report Share Posted August 21, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo We wiped McVeigh out. Enough said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo [ QUOTE ] Next Question, When Timothy McVeigh bombs the Federal building in Oklahoma City what terrorist city should we wipe out? It should be part of a national policy to wipe out some city after a terrorist attack like that. Beanman [/ QUOTE ] NO,NO,NO. We only wipe out a city if a specific religous group is involved. Besides, like I said before, Bush isn't going to touch anything in Saudi Arabia as long as he is holding hands with their leaders. I find it interesting that the thought of dropping a nuke on another country is tossed around so freely like it is no big deal. Is it any wonder that the only country that is completely against nukes is the only one that has ever had one used against it, twice actually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spyderpancake Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Re: Tom Tancredo [ QUOTE ] Regardless of what the consensus on here is, the Muslim faith is peaceful, the Koran tells them to kill the infidel [/ QUOTE ] oh, i see now, peacefully kill the infidels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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