VTbowman Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 I found a climber hanging on a tree, literally on a tree with a posted sign on it, facing 5 feet away from a tree with one of my signs on it. The tree they are in has barbed wire fencing grown into it showing the property line. The fence is extremely old and who knows who it belongs to. More or less both of us as far as I am concerned. The stand is locked and facing in such a way that its obvious the intentions is to hunt my side from his tree. Unless they are lefty... LOL Normally I would not care but I have a ladder stand not more then 80 yards away, directly out and away on my side, facing away from the back line. My stand is situated on a small knoll that one of my log roads runs by, and is visable for 200 yards in all directions. Open hardwoods. My stand is very visable from his even with full foliage. Most people in this area do not hunt bow season, and this stand is definately not set for any type of trail, or IMO, bowhunting at all. I know someone will be out here during rifle season. For years people have been cheating my back line since my ridge line is the covetted area for rifle hunting in this area. So I understand the draw to this particular area. Just great land features and funnels deer down to my fields. So far I have not talked to anyone about this but plan to if I see them hunting it. (Best time to accuse them of hunting your property IMO. LOL) For now I am going to leave a note warning them of my stand location (for safety) and to please becareful when they shoot. ALSO-That I do not give them permission to hunt the property and will be watching the area for signs of doing so. Should I mention this to my game warden? Kinda in advance that there may be tresspassing or intentions to do so during the rifle season. I hate to be trivial about deer hunting and land but its one thing to track a deer onto your piece and another to shoot one on your piece. Especially when I have stands right there also. BTW my stand has been there for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Just be vigilant, and at the first sigh of them trespassing, or shooting deer on your side call teh warden. Sounds like they pland to shoot a deer and claim it ran from their property to yours after the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! I think the note is a good idea. I had the same thing with the land that I bought. Had 2 treestands right on the line looking over my property. It had not been surveyed for about 50 years and once I had it surveyed the stands were taken down (luckily for me). I stay off this property and to the best of my knowledge he stays off mine (knock on wood). I would bet that it is illegal to shoot onto your property, just check your local laws first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted October 28, 2004 Report Share Posted October 28, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Shawn, Mr. Stihl or Mr. Poulan are scheduled for meetings in your area...maybe they could go talk to the tree in question. They are on the T&TR committee for your area... (Tresspassing and Temptation Removal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! LOL @ GW...he does have a point though...if half teh tree is on your side, sut halfway through it. oh, and clearly mark that it has been cut so they won'd climb it and get hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefighter Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! If the person hung the stand on your property, then call dnr ,,, they will take the stand even if it means by cutting the tree down or they will setup and wAtch the person hunt then get them for tresspassing and fine them and take their gun and tree stand.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted October 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! I am sure the tree in question has the fence grown in to it so technically the tree IS on the boarder of both properties. Not mine nor his to cut down. IMHO However, he put a posted sign on it 5 feet away from a tree, on my property, that I posted. SO he is not on my property but surely he plans to shoot anything on either side of the fence. At least that is my observation. Removing his stand or cutting the tree would not be right for me to do. I can post the crap out of several tree on my siide and leave the "Warning Note" tacked to the tree his stnd is on stating he does not have permission to hunt my side nor retrieve deer without notifiying me or the game warden 1st. I am gonna tell the game warden about the stand location and who's it is in advance but just to give him a heads up. There is legally nothing either of us can do until the guy decides to cross the fence. And even then we got to catch him doing so... Sadly I have a feeling I will not know he did until I find a deers gut pile or drag marks back to his side... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! This is a job for: TrailCam Man Or at least a box that is made up to look like one....well on your property but colored loud enough to get their attention. They may think twice about crossing the line if they think their picture will be taken!!! You should probably place another note under the fake trailcam(something like:You are so busted by the real trailcam you didnt find yet)....just incase they steal it Of course you could have the fake trailcam rigged up with a bottle of skunk juice....so that when they try to rip it off the tree it breaks the bottle and they get covered with the stuff. I'll have the design plans drawn up shortly....I'm having too much fun with this can you tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oo_buck Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Why can't we all just get along???????? Hate to hear this kind of stuff. Hopefully, you guys can work something out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bow Hunter Derek Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Here is exactly what I'd do. I'd make every effort to find out who's stand it is and then contact him. I'd try to have a polite conversation with him and explain the reality of the situation. If the tree and stand is on his side of the fence he has every right to hunt out of it, same as you do on your side of the fence. But neither he or you technically can put an arrow or bullet over that fence line. I'd make that understood. Then there is the issue of a downed deer. The problem with hunting property lines is most often the recovery of an animal on adjacent property. Now knowing that each state seems to have it's own rules regarding that issue, there may not be one simple solution for this. If the two of you have a civil conversation, I don't see why a downed deer could not be recovered by letting him get the deer off your land or vise versa. It all depends on how you handle the situation and how he responds. If the conversation gets ugly, then you may have to get the DNR involved. But I'd make that a last resort. I know that I've set up good relationships with the neighboring properties on the farm I primarily hunt. If I down a deer and it crosses the property line, all I have to do is make a phone call and I can go get my deer. Fortunately it has only happened once. I have the same agreement with them. Just as long as the call me or my brother-in-law (who technically owns the land but does not hunt) they can go get their deer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimT Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! lol at GW again... Just keep this all civil... I would put another no tresspassing sign right in front of him along with the note. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Have to agree with what derek says here. Would try to talk with him first. If it is not going the way you think it should get the warden involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted October 30, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! UpDate- I talked with a local guy that I know "use to" hunt the property for 22 years. He asked me 4 years ago if he could hunt my side of the fence but that he was hanging his stand on theirs. I gave him permission. He told me it was leased last year by new people that are basically the town slime balls when it comes to deer hunting. 1st thing they did is kick the old guy off. So I gave him full rights to mine although he has other spots too. These are the kind of people that gets all their kids and wife deer tags, and then fills all of them themselves. They will drag there kids around on youth weekend and shoot all the deer and never let the kids shoot. Face to face talking would mostly provoke more then anything. Any and all steps WILL fail, to include getting the game warden involved, because they will do what they want reguardless. (Save one.) They are also known poachers... This makes me REAL happy knowing I got these guys on the property right behind mine! I think I may need 500 yards of 10 foot high fencing... LOL Seriously, the only way to get them to not hunt that stand is to interupt or ruin a few dozen hunts while they are in the stand. Or turn a hot spot into a NOT spot. But then again I am not interested in a war either... Nor wasting my season over this... I though I might take one of the stand I did not hang this year and hang it on the tree my posted sign is on. 5 feet away from his stand. Not to hunt it, but just to make a point... I still intend to leave an official note stating they do not have permission to hunt my side and must notify me or the game warden if they need to retrieve a downed deer. I will state that the game warden has a copy of this note and is aware of this situation. Which may or may not be the truth... LOL But won't hurt to include... I would think that if I were hunting a property line and saw a stand hung 5 feet away from mine, but on the other side of the fence, I would get the point without the note. But I am not assuming these folks have even 1/2 a brain between all of them to start with... I may end up loosing a stand over it too. But I have a junk stand I can afford to risk... LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! I would be inclined to make sure and etch your name on that stand somewhere inconspicuous. That way if they do steal it, you can get them on a couple charges. Might also consider trying to setup a well hidden game cam(no flash) to attempt to catch them that way. Bet if they start paying fines or doing some time they might just backoff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Isn't it funny how people get convinced that the grass is always greener on the other side. My property abuts a large parcel of state land and every year I see tracks in the snow where hunters encounter my posted signs and then begin to walk along the posted line. I would assume that if they ever saw a deer on my side, they probably would have no problem shooting it. People can be weird. I think they have this vision of all these deer, that are able to read posted signs, all stacked up on my side of the signs. The fact is that the habitat and deer population is better on the state land than it is on mine and I spend all my time hunting state land. The posted signs are just to help safeguard my house and a little cabin that I have at the back. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted October 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Its really sad that a few bad apples will spoil it too. When I 1st got this piece of property I was NOT going to post it. I remember how hard it was to find places to hunt when I was not a property owner. I also knew that it must of been a spot that some guys hunted for years... I hunted 2 years this way. A few times I had unknown guys walk by which hapens. One year I had 8 guys drive the crap out of the property in the 1st weekend and once right by me while on stand. Then comes all the trash and garbage, and atemps to steal my stands. I posted after that. 2 years later we were seeing decent amounts of deer... Now I got the line hunters. Personally I do not care if someone hits one close to my line or even over it a few yards, or needs to track and finish one off on my side. But dang it, being right on the line is just to much. No respect in my book. If he would of came to me and asked I would of let him hunt my side too as long as he kept the stand on his. I would expect the same treatment in return. Thats it. Good neighbors is all I want. Respect for my property too. Now I gotta act like a dirtbag selfish guy just to be doing the right thing... Oh well right.... Its only deer hunting.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! these guys probably have less than honest intentions, but, just to add fuel to the fire....... I have a ladder stand set up right on one of our property borders, actually 15 feet from the fence - facing the posted property. At first look, it may appear as if I am hunting thier land, after all, thats what I am facing! But...the tree it is in, the best protection fom the sight of animals is to be behind the tree trunk, hence the direction I am facing. Plus there are several lowspots in the fence that deer regularly come through. Ifd they are on my side - they are in the freezer. If they are on their side - well lets just pray they come to the horns or can or grunt - if not - I sure will enjoy the show. Last year I shot a 10 pointer that was running paralel to the fence - on my side - when the arrow hit him (spine shot) he literally rolled over - under the barbed wire and died on thier land! Of course, the large blood puddles and drag marks indicate he was killed across the fence. Had someone questioned me - I probably would have had a hard time proving myself. It was a pain in the neck dragging that hawg up the hill to our side to gut it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! [ QUOTE ] If he would of came to me and asked I would of let him hunt my side too as long as he kept the stand on his. [/ QUOTE ] RESPECT. Amazing really how asking first could potentially change the outcome of a situation like this. Some people just dont get it. Got a family from chicago who lives next to us, well about 3/8ths of a mile away, not really what I would consider to be neighbors. When they first got here they assumed they would do what they wanted on our land and back behind our house. They never asked just did. Tried to be nice for as long as I could be and when I finally had enough I ended up having to be kind of nasty. End result we do not associate with them and they do not attempt to come on anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! SHAWN !!! It is clearly the Law in our state of Vermont all stands and Blinds have to be marked with owners name and address along with a phone number of contact if it is place on a border line or on property other than thier own. I'm sure if you talk to Danny S. you do have a course of action.. Hope that helps ya out.... I have the same problem facing me in Franklin on my ne plot.. I can see trouble coming soon here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted October 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! I did not check it for a name or number. I know a person does not have to do that if its on his own property so I can bet they dont have it on theirs... I do on most of mine... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Shawn, but it also needs to be clearly marked if place on a line boundry or border this is to settle any disputes, check to see if it is marked if not it is illeagly hung and a warden can take it down. If this what you choose to do. this will be totally your descretion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted October 31, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Ya know Luke, now that I think about it. The stand is NOT the property of the land owner, its someone who is leasing the land for hunting. The stand is locked and its a climber type. I am not sure which type since I did not go that close to it. I will have to take a walk tommorow and see whats up with it. Hopefully I can get a name and number off it and call them myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! Hope you get results.. I know how hard of a decission you have to make about the stand. I know you don't want enemies. A little respect of this stands owner could have saved alot of aggrivation for both of you and wish ya luck. Keep me posted on what happens like I said I'm facing this same delema real soon but I know the person I'll be dealing with and this makes that much harder. He has a real nive four wheeler trail cut that runs right to the edge of my plot that only indicates to me that he intends to hunt this area..which I wouldn't have minded if he chipped in on the seed and sweat labor.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! [ QUOTE ] Its really sad that a few bad apples will spoil it too. [/ QUOTE ] As much as I hate to ruin this theory.. there are a LOT of bad apples anymore. Society today is all about do what you want and if you get caught, your lawyer will get you out of it. I constantly see people taking advantage of others and I can't stand it. This world is so screwed up anymore... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Re: Hunting right on the line! We had some people kicked off one parcel of land we hunt. Their responce was to buy the land that borders us and put stands facing on us. I would just love to catch them arrowing a deer on us. Line hunting is quite common in the Southern Tier of NY. Our 2nd parcel has hunters sitiing under our posted signs on two sides. Their theory is not to hunt but to keep deer from coming on us and maybe kill one in the process. I gave up years ago trying to fight with them. All it did was make me mad and ruin my hunt. I do alright every year despite their efforts to shut us off. Just wish we could all get along without resorting to dirty pool. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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