muggs Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 There has been alot of talk here on the forums lately about poor shot selection. I do not condone taking poor shots and try my hardest to practice "ethical", maybe thats not the would I'm looking for. Let's just say, I strive to be patient and make good, clean shots. When a guy takes a questionable shot and loses a deer he feels bad enough. I'm man enough to admit that during my inexperienced days, it's happen to me. I'd be willing to bet that most of us can say the same thing. Yelling at a guy and criticizing him aren't going to do any good. You weren't there, and you have no idea what might have been going through his head. All the experience and patience in the world may still lead to mistakes. Hopefully, we all learn from them and don't repeat them. When I guy tries to share his heartbreaking story of losing a true monster deer, why don't we act with a little tact and try to give him advice for future success, instead of going the "I would never do that" route. It's tried and old and just plain stupid. Sorry, but I needed to vent. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherguy Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members BUt if you read some of those posts you will see that they fail to realize a lost deer was teh result of choosing to take an unethical shot. I agree that we shouldn't jump on everyone, and we could all make bad choices, but sometimes it appears that an ethics refresher course is in order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted October 29, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members I completely agree with you fisherguy. As long as they learn from these mistakes, I don't think we need to make the guy feel any worse than he already does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanH Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members I agree! I have seen that people are "jumping" other people! I dont htink that they hate you an stuff just really tryin to stress the point of takin and ethical shot! Lets just try to keep there head up! Good Post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohiobucks Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members Haven't you ever heard of rubbing salt in a wound? Kicking a guy when he is down? That is what buddies do to buddies....... I agree muggs, help someone learn from it instead of beating him down further..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members Sometimes I believe "we" can be our own worst enemies. There are 7234 members of this forum and almost all of us will admit to a bad choice, a lost deer, or a poor shot placement. Either we can learn from our mistakes and move on, or discuss it to death and give the anti's more ammunition. 7234 deer are a pretty good herd, and if some are loosing more than one, that increases the loss. I think everyone learns from loosing a deer or making a poor choice of shot placement, but I don't think "hunting" has anything to gain by discussing all the instances in public. Personally, I think we should be avoiding the subject altogether, and not airing dirty laundry for everyone to read. To me, this subject is just as taboo as discussing your neighbors love life, or your own, if you have one. I will refrain from discussing "any" wounded and suffering deer that got away, if "you guys" will do the same. This post is intended for everyone, and not the original poster of this subject, and is just my opinion. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members I'm confused...we learned because we got ribbing and others opinions when we did it too. If no one commented about "poor" shots, how would one learn? One thing you have to remember...this is a forum, you will get opinions that agree, disagree or something totally off the wall, whether you like it or not! The biggest prob. I have with these "poor" shot post is that some folks don't learn. There will still be folks on this forum that will still take these shots and not find the deer, then get upset at themsevles and not want to here it from others. If you make a post saying you wounded a deer and didn't find it but it was because, lets say, your release aid broke at full draw...20 yard broadside shot...I'm willing to bet you won't get ribbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members I think a little brow beating is good for the soul. With so many members in here, your bound to get some replies that sound a lot harsher than what they were meant to be. If we were all sitting around the campfire at some hunting retreat and discussing these issues, you'd get the same critiques from your buddies, some constructive, some on the harsh side. I think it's a good thing (like Martha Stewart would say...LOL) One thing I've noticed about this board, is that when the harsher critiques say their say, some others will jump in for the defense and calm things down for a while. That's what makes this site Family. It takes a man to admit his mistakes in front of the world and to take whatever comes his way from others because of it. And it is a learning lesson for us all, from the actual mistake, down to the criticism that comes with it. Happy Huntin guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members But the point is that "ribbing" is fine.........but sometimes it just needs to stop. I agree with every one else who has said that if the shot presented itself to 95% of the people in this forum that they would take it, probably including me. I have one buck on the wall and it was a clean kill 7 point. But to sit and say, "Hey because of this or that, there is no way that I would ever do that." My daddy taught me long ago to "Never say never" because those are some of the words that people eat everyday. The point that I was trying to make in the past post about the poor shot selection is the same thing that has been said here..........and that is that there are some people who think that they know everything, when in reality they don't! Nobody is God, except for God..........so sometimes it is just best to leave well enough alone and if you are going to help someone, then ENCOURAGE them! It works, if you don't believe me, then try it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] BUt if you read some of those posts you will see that they fail to realize a lost deer was teh result of choosing to take an unethical shot. I agree that we shouldn't jump on everyone, and we could all make bad choices, but sometimes it appears that an ethics refresher course is in order. [/ QUOTE ] agree nough said I dont see why this is even an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members You know there is a difference between taking an unethical shot and missing your mark. All the shots I have taken have been ethical in the sense I knew I would kill the deer quickly if I hit it where I was aiming. Unfortunately I haven't always hit where I was aiming. I have only lost one deer due to hitting a small limb right before the arrow hit it's mark. I don't think any of us have the right to cuss a fellow hunter just because he missed his mark. Now if he/or she porpusely takes a low percentage shot that may or may not humanely kill the animal then I say let him/or her have it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elkoholic Posted October 29, 2004 Report Share Posted October 29, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members I must confess that I was the first one to mention the poor shot selection in Canine's original post. I could not believe that none of the previous replies to that post never mentioned it. In forty years of hunting I have passed up at least a half a dozen shots at bucks in the 180 class and bigger. I think it comes from a deep respect for the animal I am hunting. I now know he feels bad about the shot and hopefully he will not take a shot like that again. As far as ethics go, by definition, it is what the majority of people think is "ethical", and by that definition any archery shot other than broadside or quartering away (if the angle is too steep a quartering away shot is taboo) is considered unethical. Personal ethics, or I answer to a higher power, does not change what is really ethical. The argument that he was the only one there does not change the fact that it was a poor shot choice. If in these forums we can not point out a mistake then what good does the dialect do. You can give all the warm fuzzies you like, but, unfortunately that teaches little. It is our duty as hunters to point out not only what is wrong, but what is right. I do not think that Canine needed the lesson, for he lived it, but those who are new to the sport needed to be guided in the right direction. It makes me proud to hear the way the shot was followed-up, for that is an important lesson also and Canine did an excellent job. Holier than thou....not really, just pointing out a mistake. I do not think anyone "cussed" him out and I am sure he is tired of it all. Some people have a thin skin and where I come from that makes for a miserable life. Shake it off, Cowboy up, and get on with it, but learn as you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members Good post drp You took the time to say it like it is and say it like a gentleman as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] if the shot presented itself to 95% of the people in this forum that they would take it, probably including me. [/ QUOTE ] Now there is a scarey thought! Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] we should not air our dirty loundry on a public forum [/ QUOTE ] Are you suggesting that no one here should admit to missed shots or wounding? Should we lie about hunting results or not even relate hunting results unless the results are perfect? I'm willing to go along with whatever the majority feels on this (except the lying part), but I've got to admit that it really doesn't feel right to me. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] Haven't you ever heard of rubbing salt in a wound? Kicking a guy when he is down? That is what buddies do to buddies....... [/ QUOTE ] LMBO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members guys, I don't give a rats Arse what the anti's think. it doesn't matter--do you think they care what we think? Do you think they want to be careful with what they say b/c they might offend us--heck no. If a person wants to come on here and talk about a miss shot or a non-recovered animal then they should. That's what we are here for--to help--maybe give them some advise to recover their deer. Trust me---the anti's don't give a hoot what we talk about they are going to be against us no matter what we do or say! todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowtechTurkeyHunter Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] i know i am new here but popgun is dead on in his statment that we should not air our dirty loundry on a public forum , anti hunters love post like this and the one that started this one.we should discuss other subjects but this is not the place to talk about this,popgun put up a number and the anti's would run with that,i would suggest strongly that the moderators remove the post that talk about this subject,there are people that are strongly opposed to are way of life......stepping off my soap box now [/ QUOTE ] lol someone with 15 post asking a moderator too remove this post lol now thats good I dont personally see anything wrong with this thread ... specially if just one person learns something usefull from it lol I noticed you didnt put your input about the shot taking just that the thread should be removed... wierd...JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] lol someone with 15 post asking a moderator too remove this post lol now thats good [/ QUOTE ] I dont think how many posts a guys has really affects anything in here, anyone can ask that a post be deleted at any time, doesnt mean its gonna happen but theres no magic number of posts required to make the request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 30, 2004 Report Share Posted October 30, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i know i am new here but popgun is dead on in his statment that we should not air our dirty loundry on a public forum , anti hunters love post like this and the one that started this one.we should discuss other subjects but this is not the place to talk about this,popgun put up a number and the anti's would run with that,i would suggest strongly that the moderators remove the post that talk about this subject,there are people that are strongly opposed to are way of life......stepping off my soap box now [/ QUOTE ] lol someone with 15 post asking a moderator too remove this post lol now thats good I dont personally see anything wrong with this thread ... specially if just one person learns something usefull from it lol I noticed you didnt put your input about the shot taking just that the thread should be removed... wierd...JMO [/ QUOTE ] I find it funny that this particular post is NOT about the shot placement... it's about the possibility of people riding other people about the same issue to death and possibly being overly critical of others... Also I so no difference between the opinion of someone on this forum with only 15 posts or 15,000 posts... it's still up to the individual that reads the post to disern (sp?) how to apply the input. Lastly I'll put in my .02 on the topic so I don't look wierd... I think this topic has run it's course over 3-4 threads, if anyone was going to learn something by it it's already happened, if the anti's are going to use it for fuel then they've got plenty before they came here, if there's other excuses for criticising others I disagree with those too... I'm not saying not to state your opinions, I'm not even saying to not disagree with others... I'm saying there comes a point when we have to realize that not everyone has the same opinion and deal with it. It must be the moon phase because it seems like some of my posts as of late seem on the cranky side... that's not my intent... I enjoy the good debates on here, but to me this one stopped being a debate a long time ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members Yes, canine. It's stopped being a debate and turning into a little bitty pebble rolling down hill and turning into a giant boulder. One thing you'll realize on here, is people are quick to judge and not think before they react. I'm guilty of it as well. You've got to realize some of these guys are still newbie's at bow hunting and taken none to only a couple of deer with a bow. Which I'm taking nothing away from them, but the lack of experience. Until you've been in that situation yourself, you can't say what you'd do or the outcome would be. Adrenaline does funny thngs to people! LOL Take alot of this with a grain of salt, I made a bad shot placement on a doe and never found her, opening day this year. I hit her right where I wanted, but she was quartered to hard away. I got one lung and no deer. What really stink's is I know she's dead somewhere, at least your's is alive. But, the number one thing is we've both learned a lesson from it. Give alot of these guys a few more years bowhunting and I'm sure we'll be reading about some poor/bad shot placement on a deer they have taken. Good example, my neighbor had taken his first deer with a bow year before last and was bragging he was batting a 1,000 with a bow. Now, he is 1 for three or four with a bow. Bowhunting is not an exact science and it's going to happen to most bowhunters at one time or another. JMO-people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] JMO-people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks. [/ QUOTE ] Do we really know anyone who lives in an all glass house? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members woh!!!! I leave you guys alone for a week and look what happens!!!! Get it together y'all!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Shooter Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] JMO-people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw bricks. [/ QUOTE ] Do we really know anyone who lives in an all glass house? [/ QUOTE ] I'm trying to get a point across, not point fingers. A clue-Don't place blame or fault until you've walked in that persons shoes. Quit a few, since you should ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted October 31, 2004 Report Share Posted October 31, 2004 Re: holier than thou forum members [ QUOTE ] Don't place blame or fault until you've walked in that persons shoes. [/ QUOTE ] Was there really blame or fault involved in this topic? I viewed it as a discussion of a particular type of shot. Is that not a proper topic of discussion for this forum? Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.