oldksnarc Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Re: I want answers! Carter tried price controls to control inflation (including the price of gasoline). As the pundits have said, Carter's price controls failed miserably deepening the recession and reducing supplies, which further drove up prices. They are saying Hawaii's threatened price control on gasoline will result in the same thing. In other words, governmental price controls have shown it won't work. What it will take is consumers saying enough is enough. Not with words but with the way they buy and drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted August 30, 2005 Report Share Posted August 30, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] It is time to stop complaining and ride motorcycles and bicycles, or come up with a viable solution instead of simple complaints. ....popgun [/ QUOTE ] Bring that Arkansas mentality here to the NorthEast in Dec. through Feb. when there 4' of snow on the ground and -40*......Yep I invite you to come here and ride that bike 22 miles to work one way......and then try to warm up when there's NO fuel Oil in the barrel to keep that butt warm.... Drive these roads around here and show me where that 40 is going in to state highways..... When politician and big companies stop linning their greedy pockets the Oil will go down in price...Go ahead blame it on the weather.....LIKE WE NEVER HAD THESE TYPES OF STORM IN YEARS PAST RIGHT ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZooBear Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Re: I want answers! Maybe the Middle East would enjoy $70.00 a bushel wheat, corn and beans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Re: I want answers! The Main reason is that the United States Has not had an increase in oil refining since the early 1970's. Our Refinerys are old and outdated and produceing at maximum capacity. Since oil companys would have to raise prices to a god awful level to pay for new refineries, they just continued to produce at the same rate as they did 35 years ago. Bush is 100% right on by subsidising the oil companies to build new facilites and get new capitol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] Bring that Arkansas mentality here to the NorthEast in Dec. through Feb. when there 4' of snow on the ground and -40*......Yep I invite you to come here and ride that bike 22 miles to work one way......and then try to warm up when there's NO fuel Oil in the barrel to keep that butt warm.... Drive these roads around here and show me where that 40 is going in to state highways..... When politician and big companies stop linning their greedy pockets the Oil will go down in price...Go ahead blame it on the weather.....LIKE WE NEVER HAD THESE TYPES OF STORM IN YEARS PAST RIGHT ??? [/ QUOTE ] Gee...I hope you feel better now. Like I said, we need to come up with some viable solutions. Evidently bicycles and motorcycles won't work in a Vermont winter. It is your problem, and you will be the one who finds a solution. We don't always cause our own problems but it is up to us as individuals to find our own solutions to the problems that come our way. ....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Re: I want answers! zoobear has it right. only send them high priced food. let them eat thir oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] Gee...I hope you feel better now. [/ QUOTE ] NOPE..Because you are right we may not have caused the problem,,,but we as individuals sure have to solve the problem on an individual basis.....This is more difficult to do, than done,,when the average take home pay isn't balancing out at the end of the week..... But I do understand where you are coming from,,and I'm almost definate that you and I are on common ground when I say we don't have to like it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted August 31, 2005 Report Share Posted August 31, 2005 Re: I want answers! I have a friend who works in the oil industry. His wages are set to increase by 35% next week. That's a nice little pay raise for a guy. Obviously someone is making $$. I wonder who is making more than anyone????George. W......Do you really expect him to put a stop to it. You guys voted for him, now you're feeling the pinch. We on the other hand have been living with high prices for years, you're still below us. I drive 15 miles each way to work, so does my wife. You middle class people are starting to feel what many Canadians have been feeling for years. By the way, I forget who said t but I'm all for cranking up the price of wheat, my dad makes less than $2 a bushel on #1 wheat. Why do we feed so many countries??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] George. W......Do you really expect him to put a stop to it. You guys voted for him, now you're feeling the pinch. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not blaming MY president. What gives you the right to say something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] George. W......Do you really expect him to put a stop to it. You guys voted for him, now you're feeling the pinch. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not blaming MY president. What gives you the right to say something like that. [/ QUOTE ] Hey SaskMan, DON'T BLAME ME, I VOTED FOR THE OTHER GUY!! That said, Bush is kind of at a loss as to what he can do regarding this situation. On one hand, his past is in the oil business, so yes, he has a lot of friends in the industry and unfortunately for us, he is beholden to them. They helped put him in the Governors seat, and they helped put him in the White House, now that he is in his second term, he shouldn't be as beholden to them as he was previously, meaning, once he leaves office, his political career is over. What was it that Kennedy said when he was President whenever he left office he would be "Too old to start a new career and too young to write his memoirs." I don't know what Bush could do without ticking a lot of people off, you're danged if you do danged if you don't in this situation. The President is the most powerful leader in the world, but that power comes from Congress and the people who helped you get elected. If the President were able to make orders and them be followed, then there would be no use for a legislature, and only the people who stood to benefit the most from Presidential decisions would have his ear. He can get on a soapbox and on national TV say that oil prices need to come down, but thats up to the people selling and buying it. If anything, we need to be focusing on who supplies our oil, and since a good majority of it comes from Saudi Arabia, we're basically screwed, because as long as Bush and the Saudi royal family are friends, nothing will change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! Sluggo my friend, it is very obvious that you don't know SQUAT about the oil and gas industry and what/who controls the pricing. You should be very thankful that President Bush does have a very strong friendship with the Saudis, otherwise the prices that we are paying today would be considerably higher than what they are. There has never been a president that could control the price of oil and gas. Not even your weeny wagging Bubba Bill Clinton. And Lord knows what your traitor that you voted for, "THE OTHER GUY", would have done had he been in office. He probably would have been in another parade in Dallas like his mentor with the same initials! Oil/gas prices are set by brokers that are buying and selling future options based upon forecasts of production supplies. Producers set their price based upon cost of production, and so on, and so on. Suppliers buy from brokers at those future prices and then pass on that price to their dealers. Dealers will charge consumers whatever their profit margin requirements demand. Consequently, gas that is already in the storage tanks in the ground at the stations is increased in order to obtain the demand margin. NOW... NO PRESIDENT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT OR CONTROL PRICES ON ANYTHING.... much less oil or gas. That requires Congressional action. What OPEC is effectively doing, is controlling that supply of oil, so that the prices are being kept high, as well as the demand. The U.S. presence in the Middle East is the only guaranty that there should be oil being provided to any one. I'm sure you can understand the ramifications if we and the U.S. allies pull out of there. What is the answer....? The oil/gas industry is the biggest in the world.... who's gonna get them under control? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] Sluggo my friend, it is very obvious that you don't know SQUAT about the oil and gas industry and what/who controls the pricing. [/ QUOTE ] You're right, I don't know much. But when was the last time you were on an oil rig. I know the president doesn't control the pricing, that's why as much as I can't stand him, I haven't launched on an anti-Bush diatribe about gas prices like some of the other posters in this thread. If anything, I do remember posting in my message that we need to focus on the suppliers of the oil, not the President. Did you read my post, or just stop where you deemed a flagrant comeback was appropriate. [ QUOTE ] And Lord knows what your traitor that you voted for, "THE OTHER GUY", would have done had he been in office. He probably would have been in another parade in Dallas like his mentor with the same initials! [/ QUOTE ] I do believe that that statement was uncalled for and way out of line. Imagine the uproar on here if I had said that about Bush, I would probably get banned, but I would never say it, I don't wish anybody dead or assasinated, even President Chavez of Venezuela. [ QUOTE ] NOW... NO PRESIDENT HAS THE AUTHORITY TO RESTRICT OR CONTROL PRICES ON ANYTHING.... much less oil or gas. That requires Congressional action. [/ QUOTE ] I do believe I said that very thing, I also said that presidential power comes from Congress and those who helped him get elected. A president is "supposed" to be kept in check by the Congress, and the people who donated the most money is who he looks out for. [ QUOTE ] I'm sure you can understand the ramifications if we and the U.S. allies pull out of there. [/ QUOTE ] Yes I do, thats why I don't scream and shout for our troops to be pulled out of there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] I'm not blaming MY president. What gives you the right to say something like that. [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't free speech give me the right to say that? What gives anyone in here the right to say what they say? If the most powerful person in the free nation cannot put a stop to things than we sure are in for some trouble in the future. Yes, I think it is obvious most of us up here aren't real big Bush fans, we can say it, if we can't then I guess I didn't know some secret clause. Our lumber mills are laying people off like crazy, the tariffs on all of the wood we ship to the U.S are so large they are putting people out of business. Billions of dollars were lost on the BSE joke and the border closure, many ranchers went belly up. I wonder if any ranchers in the U.S will now that they have their own. I'd say if anyone out there could step in and do some good for the common man it is Bush, maybe I'm wrong but I still have the right to say what I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I'm not blaming MY president. What gives you the right to say something like that. [/ QUOTE ] Doesn't free speech give me the right to say that? What gives anyone in here the right to say what they say? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know, do you have freedom of speech? We do. Did you vote for Bush or Kerry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaskMan Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] Did you vote for Bush or Kerry? [/ QUOTE ] Why ask a ? you know the answer to? I thought a guy had a right to say what he felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganHuntr1 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! A person does, Stop criticizing each other! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] A person does, Stop criticizing each other! [/ QUOTE ] I have to second that one MH1.....getting angry at each other isn't going to solve a thing..... I have to agree with sluggo when he said we as individuals need to find a better solution to things,,than trying to blame the guy next to us.. We are all on common ground here and that's to try to make life as tolerable as we can while we are walking and breathing... ,,be nice to thy neighbor,,,,we are all in this together regardless of our governments big mistakes.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Re: I want answers! Hey Sluggo! If you don't want a rebuttal to your statements... don't dangle them out there like a big carrot! You have a tendancy to compile all your words into one giant jab towards President Bush, therefore your words will be countered - whether they are "uncalled for" or not! AND... while I have not specifically worked "on an oilrig" I spent 14 years in and around the OIL PATCH in west Texas, buying, selling, and financing (I was a bank officer), millions of dollars of oil field equipment and services. So, yeah, I got to know the oil and gas industry very well during the late 70's early 80's - during its boom and bust! POINT - COUNTERPOINT. You jib.... I jab! OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! Its families like Hutchies that really feel the pinch in a crisis like this. Yeah, i hate to pay the high prices for gas. But I bought a full size Tahoe for a reason, and lots of gas is a side effect of that. So far the gas prices have not and will not change my daily habits. If they increase at this rediculous pace - then maybe. But maybe I can cut spending elsewhere.... no new arrows, no this , no that. My family is truly blessed with comfortable living - NOT wealthy - but I have a crapload of OT available to me - so I take it. I make the money to support my family and pay for the toys. Like I said - guys like Hutchies - I feel for ya man. It's a crying shame...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] Yes, I think it is obvious most of us up here aren't real big Bush fans [/ QUOTE ] Actually, what I've heard/read from those up north, most seem to agree with OUR President Bush and what he's done. The President of the most powerful nation in the world actually does have very little control over the price of oil or other commodities, including lumber and cattle. OUR President Carter tried to and ended up causing greater problems. And, while OUR President Bush may own stock and interest in oil companies, so do most of the retirement programs - in both the US and Canada. If you are invested/investing in these retirement programs, write the program managers and tell them you want them to divest themselves (on your behalf) of these investments because you think they are gouging you. Remember, if your retirement plan/investments are doing good, it's probably because of their investment in the oil business. I don't like paying the higher prices myself, but it is not President Bush's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruttinbuc Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] But maybe I can cut spending elsewhere.... no new arrows, no this , no that. My family is truly blessed with comfortable living - NOT wealthy - but I have a crapload of OT available to me - so I take it. I make the money to support my family and pay for the toys. [/ QUOTE ] I hope you didn't spend a lot for that annoying avatar! What in the heck is that anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! Just a dude dancing in the street....... So ghetto isn't it?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] A person does, Stop criticizing each other! [/ QUOTE ] Then don't criticize and blame the pres. for another countries woes by someone who didn't/can't even vote!. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] But maybe I can cut spending elsewhere.... no new arrows, no this , no that. My family is truly blessed with comfortable living - NOT wealthy - but I have a crapload of OT available to me - so I take it. I make the money to support my family and pay for the toys. [/ QUOTE ] I hope you didn't spend a lot for that annoying avatar! What in the heck is that anyway? [/ QUOTE ] I rather enjoyed the dancing butt slapping purple dinosaur. Bring 'im back!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted September 2, 2005 Report Share Posted September 2, 2005 Re: I want answers! [ QUOTE ] Hey Sluggo! If you don't want a rebuttal to your statements... don't dangle them out there like a big carrot! You have a tendancy to compile all your words into one giant jab towards President Bush, therefore your words will be countered - whether they are "uncalled for" or not! AND... while I have not specifically worked "on an oilrig" I spent 14 years in and around the OIL PATCH in west Texas, buying, selling, and financing (I was a bank officer), millions of dollars of oil field equipment and services. So, yeah, I got to know the oil and gas industry very well during the late 70's early 80's - during its boom and bust! POINT - COUNTERPOINT. You jib.... I jab! OK? [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say I didn't want a rebuttal, you seem to think that the whole post was a jab at Bush, and it wasn't, if anything, I was defending his sorry butt by saying he can't control oil prices much less the whole world as much as he might like to. Dont' blame me for you not being able to decipher what the point of my post was. If I was wanting to give Bush a hard time about oil prices and blame him for it, I would just come right out and say it, I don't have to beat around the bush to say what I mean, but I didn't and I won't give him a hard time about it because I know he doesn't control everything like a lot of people think. The fact remains that in this day age, Bush, and any politician remain beholden to the people who got them into office, whether making big donations, or paying for misleading ads, or anything of that matter. It's no secret that Bush got a TON of his campaign money from big oil, so, is he gonna go against themm or be for them, the answer is obvious, but that doesn't mean he is letting them drive up oil prices. As far as the uncalled for remarks about you hoping the same fate befalls Kerry as JFK if he became President, they were uncalled for, just as much as Pat Robertsons were against Chavez, making a threat, mention, veiled threat, insinuation against a member of the house, senate, president is a violation of federal law, and well, is just plain wrong and should never have been said. Furthermore, I am glad you worked at the "OIL PATCH" in West Texas, I'm glad you know so much more about the oil business than I do. Me personally, I may not like the gas prices, but gas must be purchased, if it means cutting back on something I don't need, well, that's what will have to be done, but I'm not gonna gripe too hard because, well, there's nothing I can do about it, there's nothing anybody can do about it. Can the president, maybe, maybe not, but somebody needs to. There are bigger more pressing things to worry about than gas prices, I know there is in my life, what about yours? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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