Rhino Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] Not to be stupid but I havent heard if the ppl in MS are even gonna get the cards or not ... if FEMA is giving them out I bet they do get them just not gonna hear about it on the media because its not the hot spot so to speak. [/ QUOTE ] I haven't heard yet either but I doubt you see the media saying much about it either if they do. They don't have much of an opportunity to sensationalize it over here. More hype for their time somewhere else. I have a few in mind I'd like to punch right in the mouth though if they'd oblige us with a visit. I might have to stand in line and wait my turn though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted September 8, 2005 Report Share Posted September 8, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards I'm just happy something is being done to help temporarily. Everyone complains about all the $$ going overseas, and now it is being spent here and people still complain. Maybe the debit cards are not the best, but it is a start. Heck, the food stamp program is misused terribly. It will certainly help alot more than the minority who will abuse it Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wonder how much we payed to the victims of 9/11? Just asking............................. [/ QUOTE ] I don't exactly remember but if memory serves the number ranged from about $250,000 to several Million $ depending on variables. Maybe someone from NY can come up with a more accurate figure. [/ QUOTE ] Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. We won't mention that...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bama Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards I cant imagine loosing everything I have. I saw a statistic last week that said only 1 in 4 had flood insurance. That means that even if these people had insurance for the home, it does cover the flood. I had a friend who lost everything due to a flood, he had to pay a mortgage and rebuild a house from his own pocket. I couldnt do that, probably couldnt with government help. I am sure there will be people abuse the system, always have and always will, but for the MAJORITY of people, who lost everything, with no hope of getting on their feet, what is 2000 dollars. I wish I had it to give it to them. There are a lot of homeless people, poor people. They still lost everything. We should quit being jealous of what the government is doing for them and be thankful that they are doing something to help people with nothing. We lost our house and everything in it a couple of years back due to a tornado, our insurance paid for most of this, what if we still got a house payment in the mail even if our house floated off. I cant imagine, GOD bless those people. And may the government punish those who abuse the system! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest longknife Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards Just remember this the kids are the ones to suffer out of this.These people were delt a great big sh#@ sandwich and the youth have to take to a big bite of it.They need to deal with the looters, rapist, and killers well can't go there but you know.Let me close with there are some lessons to be learned from this a storm that ripped us a new one, but not by us but by the ones who had there head up thier BACKSIDES when they knew they were going to get chewed up and spit out.When we are asked to step to the plate as Americans then we shall start being heard as Americans!!!Mourn for those who haved died,but PRAY for changes in those who have lived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wonder how much we payed to the victims of 9/11? Just asking............................. [/ QUOTE ] I don't exactly remember but if memory serves the number ranged from about $250,000 to several Million $ depending on variables. Maybe someone from NY can come up with a more accurate figure. [/ QUOTE ] Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. We won't mention that...... [/ QUOTE ] You should probably note that the money paid to the victims of 9/11 was paid from private funds donated by the American people....not tax dollars. The average payout was over a million dollars but there was a fairly limited set of victims. The difference here is that there is an unlimited set of victims and the $2,000 per is going to be paid from TAX DOLLARS. My problem is obviously giving these cards to those who didn't suffer a loss. A report came out yesterday that businesses got 9/11 loans from the government that were in GA and PA...yet they had no connection with 9/11 and couldn't show their businesses were damaged at all. They were frauds. There will be those with these debit cards also--what burden of proof is there that they lost anything or that they even lived in the States affected? For the honest people that didn't have time to get documents, how do you make them prove they lived there? Further, there will those people we simply wouldn't want to help that did live there--scumbags, drug dealers, etc. My biggest problem with this isn't angled towards not helping those affected. It is that by setting this precident of cash outlays, each and every time that a natural disaster happens in any magnitude, there will be immense pressure on the President/Governors to declare it a disaster area (whether it meets that level of damage or not) so that the 'victims' can get their place at the **** of the Government. If the President doesn't do it because it is not at the level of 'disaster area'--say a small tornado or hurricane--and he is a Republican and there is one single minority affected.....VOILA, the President is a bigot. That lowlife Jesse Jackson and his ilk will show up and further divide the races in this country. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] I'm just happy something is being done to help temporarily. Everyone complains about all the $$ going overseas, and now it is being spent here and people still complain. Maybe the debit cards are not the best, but it is a start. Heck, the food stamp program is misused terribly. It will certainly help alot more than the minority who will abuse it Mike [/ QUOTE ] I just think there are alot better ways to distribute things than just handing them 2K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards Is this where I capitalize TAX DOLLARS? http://www.pww.org/article/view/4678/1/198/ "Some $1.5 billion has been paid to family members from the U.S. government fund, signed by the president, 13 days after the attacks. Compensation for individual deaths ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million, with amounts averaging $1.8 million. Those physically injured in the attacks have received amounts ranging from $500 to $7.9 million. " http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-13-911-families-cover-usat_x.htm "With the Dec. 22 deadline to apply for government payments nearing, the relatives of 1,995 deceased victims have submitted claims. The families are lining up for settlement checks that are averaging nearly $1.5 million, and are agreeing not to sue airlines, airports, security companies or other U.S. entities that might be faulted in the fatal hijackings." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] http://www.pww.org/article/view/4678/1/198/ "Some $1.5 billion has been paid to family members from the U.S. government fund, signed by the president, 13 days after the attacks. Compensation for individual deaths ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million, with amounts averaging $1.8 million. Those physically injured in the attacks have received amounts ranging from $500 to $7.9 million. " http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-13-911-families-cover-usat_x.htm "With the Dec. 22 deadline to apply for government payments nearing, the relatives of 1,995 deceased victims have submitted claims. The families are lining up for settlement checks that are averaging nearly $1.5 million, and are agreeing not to sue airlines, airports, security companies or other U.S. entities that might be faulted in the fatal hijackings." [/ QUOTE ] i dont recall anyone being overly upset about this either and the payouts were a lot larger in a lotta cases.Only difference i can see is these were payments to avoid a lotta future lawsuits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards And who is more likely to sue: Bourbon St or Wall St? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] and are agreeing not to sue airlines, airports, security companies or other U.S. entities that might be faulted in the fatal hijackings." [/ QUOTE ] Key word here is natural disaster. Airlines shelled out big bucks to save their butts as well as did many other companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] http://www.pww.org/article/view/4678/1/198/ "Some $1.5 billion has been paid to family members from the U.S. government fund, signed by the president, 13 days after the attacks. Compensation for individual deaths ranged from $250,000 to $6.9 million, with amounts averaging $1.8 million. Those physically injured in the attacks have received amounts ranging from $500 to $7.9 million. " http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2003-07-13-911-families-cover-usat_x.htm "With the Dec. 22 deadline to apply for government payments nearing, the relatives of 1,995 deceased victims have submitted claims. The families are lining up for settlement checks that are averaging nearly $1.5 million, and are agreeing not to sue airlines, airports, security companies or other U.S. entities that might be faulted in the fatal hijackings." [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I wonder how much we payed to the victims of 9/11? Just asking............................. [/ QUOTE ] I don't exactly remember but if memory serves the number ranged from about $250,000 to several Million $ depending on variables. Maybe someone from NY can come up with a more accurate figure. [/ QUOTE ] Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. We won't mention that...... [/ QUOTE ] You should probably note that the money paid to the victims of 9/11 was paid from private funds donated by the American people....not tax dollars. The average payout was over a million dollars but there was a fairly limited set of victims. The difference here is that there is an unlimited set of victims and the $2,000 per is going to be paid from TAX DOLLARS. My problem is obviously giving these cards to those who didn't suffer a loss. A report came out yesterday that businesses got 9/11 loans from the government that were in GA and PA...yet they had no connection with 9/11 and couldn't show their businesses were damaged at all. They were frauds. There will be those with these debit cards also--what burden of proof is there that they lost anything or that they even lived in the States affected? For the honest people that didn't have time to get documents, how do you make them prove they lived there? Further, there will those people we simply wouldn't want to help that did live there--scumbags, drug dealers, etc. My biggest problem with this isn't angled towards not helping those affected. It is that by setting this precident of cash outlays, each and every time that a natural disaster happens in any magnitude, there will be immense pressure on the President/Governors to declare it a disaster area (whether it meets that level of damage or not) so that the 'victims' can get their place at the **** of the Government. If the President doesn't do it because it is not at the level of 'disaster area'--say a small tornado or hurricane--and he is a Republican and there is one single minority affected.....VOILA, the President is a bigot. That lowlife Jesse Jackson and his ilk will show up and further divide the races in this country. New [/ QUOTE ] ????????????????/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards [ QUOTE ] I just think there are alot better ways to distribute things than just handing them 2K. [/ QUOTE ] Me too. Kind of have mixed thoughts on the cards as well. Just not so sure it is the best way to help those who are in true need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards Well, I heard yesterday on the news that 2 people went out and bought $800 Loius Vitton handbags. If this is true, then I guess these folks made my point for me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards Whats a Louis Vitoon handbag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Katrina Victims to Get $2K Debit Cards It is an overpriced $15 purse that they charge $800 for. If I ever buy my wife an $800 purse, it had better come with $785 in the zipper! This is what I feared with the cards....a few bad people making dumb decisions that makes everyone look bad. A vast majority of these people would probably spend it on essentials. However, it is worth noting that essentials is a relative term. If I had kids with me and we lost everything and were living in a shelter, I would make sure the kids had clothes, food, water, and other must haves and then I would buy them some toys to help their psyche. But then it would get reported as "victim buys toys with debit card". I bet the people who received that card and bought those purses were not even victims to start with. That was the other big objection I had was how--for people that aren't generally sophisticated financially and probably didn't grab birth certificates, etc when leaving-- are they supposed to prove they are victims? Bad days, bad things. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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