The_Kat Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... I hope it works out for ya buddy. Like I said, from what I have heard, the new switchback and even the new hoyt bow ( Vtech)?? is having bad times with strings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maytom Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... [ QUOTE ] I think I'm going to put a Winner Choice String and Cable om it... That should solve that problem... [/ QUOTE ] I recently picked up a new SB myself. The guy at the shop told me that after 250 shots the string will stretch, then I'll have to check everything again. He also mentioned with going to a Winners choice string as well. I'm seriously thinking of switching in a week or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... If you are still having problems I'd say you could be torquing the bow. The bigger Mathews grips are easy to torque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maddhunter Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... Boy I guess I'm lucking out on all these problems, I haven't had any trouble at all. I sure hope reading all this BAD CARMA doesn't affect my shooting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainebuck Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... Well I measured mine this morning and ATA on my Switchback is about 33 1/4". It's back to the dealer I go today. If they give me any bull about resetting it or if I can't get it done today I may try to get a new bow. There's a Hoyt shop 3 minutes from my house and today I'll be driving an hour to the Mathews dealer. Hope it works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob_D Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... IMO....If your bow is out of spec and is causing you to shoot badly, then you should be shooting consistantly bad. If you are shooting good groups and then getting fliers in the same round..it's the shooter. Touque, aiming, or muscle fatigue are most likely the issue. I had a couple of issues with my Switchback...I had the normal sting stretch and a bad idler wheel. Neither of these caused the problem of fliers in late groups. I did have the flier issues as well, but it was bacause I shot too much and got tired. With a rested arm, my groups were great. I just hate to see any bow company get a bad rap for stuff like this. JMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... [ QUOTE ] Well I measured mine this morning and ATA on my Switchback is about 33 1/4". [/ QUOTE ] That is what mine stretched to. I asked the shop to twist it back down to 33" and they had no problem doing it. Checked it in the paper and it was perfect again. Hasn't moved since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainebuck Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... Hopefully it will be as easy as that. When I had the string replaced on mine about 6 weeks ago I asked the guy at the shop if it would stretch and if I would need to come back to have it fixed. He said that yes it would stretch, but not too much and al I should need to do was move my nock point a little. It doesn't sound like they know what they're doing but we'll find out in a couple hours when I head down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... I had "Tronjo" from Archerytalk whip me up a custom bow grip for my Switchback, as I felt the stock grip was too "fat". I ordered a camo, thin grip for 45 dollars shipped. I just got it today, and after heating up the factory grip with a hairdryer and popping it off - just "snapped" on the new one! It is beautiful! It fits the riser so much better than the stock grip! For those who own a SB - you know where your fingertips would go if you were to wrap them around - there's that little "pit" where the riser meets the grip? Well, now that is GONE! Nothing but smoothness! Can't wait to shoot it! Pics to follow soon! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... [ QUOTE ] IMO....If your bow is out of spec and is causing you to shoot badly, then you should be shooting consistantly bad. [/ QUOTE ] Just to set the record straight... It is shooting consistantly bad. It's also making a "Thwack" sound to. Which it never had that before. Heck the bow was real quit. I can guarantee you one thing, torque, aiming, or muscle fatigue isn't the problem. It's in the bow it's self (Somewhere) and the weird thing about it is that it's getting worst. Here's what I have done to it so far. I have checked the timing on the bow and the timing shows to be good, but my ATA measures at 33 1/8"... I thought since I'm shooting a D-Loop that it may be pinching the arrows on release. Nope, that ain't it either... Then I checked my nocking point. It's right on. Checked my peep. Nothing there. It's good to go to... Made sure nothing came loose on me. Well there again, everything is tight. I shoot a Trophy Taker Shakey Rest. I got to thinking that maybe it wasn't coming all the way up. That's not the case there either. It's working great... Then I got to thinking, Where is the "Thwack" sound coming from... Cracked limb...Maybe... Nope, that's not the case... I also checked to see if the idler wheel was leaning. It rolls perfect... So you see what I'm up against here... Confused and running out of hopes and options... Crazy...Ain't it... Griz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... Dale, you have to check the ATA and BH with the limbs maxed out, I just talked to a dealer here about that, timing also, bow has to be maxed out. Don't know if that's the way you checked it or not, but thought I would let you know that. I wonder if the "thwack" your hearing is the same as mine. Let me know what you find out after going to the dealer this weekend. Wish I could go, but I got's fish to catch!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nosdog2 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] i have the outback, and today when i was hunting, the freakin handle fell off! what the heck, i spend $750 on a bow to have a little wooded grip fall off in my treestand, although i used double sided sticky tape to re stick it on, its not the point.... [/ QUOTE ] That really stinks man!!!!! I noticed that the grip on my SW makes a little poping sound when I squeeze it. For $750 that grip should be solid gold!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] Same thing here. I havn't had it a week. Although it shoots like a champ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainebuck Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... I just got back from the pro-shop. He confirmed the ATA was 1/4" too long. He pressed it, twisted the string, checked ATA, pressed, twisted the string some more and got it dead on. Wow, what a difference. For one thing my draw length is now back where it should be. It felt too long with the string stretched out. I took the STS off to see if it still had the noise, it was much quieter. I shot it about 10 times at their indoor range, feels much better, more zip on the arrow. I'll re-paper tune it tonight or tomorrow morning and be hunting with it tomorrow afternoon. I'm feeling much better about this now. You know, it's all about confidence with shooting and I wasn't feeling very confident lately. Hopefully I'll get it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bob_D Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... Griz, I had a "twang" in my string with my Switchback. I tried a bunch of stuff, but it ended up being in the idler wheel. I can't say it hurt my groups, but it was loud as heck. After I had the wheel changed it was dead quiet. I'm not sure if it's the same problem, but you may want to keep it in the back of your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... [ QUOTE ] Griz, I had a "twang" in my string with my Switchback. I tried a bunch of stuff, but it ended up being in the idler wheel. I can't say it hurt my groups, but it was loud as heck. After I had the wheel changed it was dead quiet. I'm not sure if it's the same problem, but you may want to keep it in the back of your head. [/ QUOTE ] Funny you should bring that up Bob. Dale, I was checking my bow out earlier, tapping on the riser. Guess what, there is a distanct "twang" coming from the idler wheel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... JB , I always put my D-Loop behide the nock. It just seems to work better... I had a Pro HCA Shooter one time tell me to shoot with the D-Loop under the nock... I tried putting it under the nock and it didn't work at all for me... Gator , Yeah I had the bow Maxed out when I checked the timing on it... I'll tell ya guys the bow is a nice bow. But when you dish out 700 bucks for one, you dang sure want it to perform longer then 6 months before it starts going to pot on ya and start doing crazy stuff like this ones doing... It attends to get a guy just a little frustrated and aggravated...You know what I mean... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lobsterman Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... hey mainebuck, where is your mathews dealer loacated? i think all we have down here in southern maine, is the kittery trading post, and theyre not really a pro shop...just wondering where the closest proshop is near me.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainebuck Posted September 13, 2005 Report Share Posted September 13, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... I did take it to KTP. That's where I bought it. There are a couple other dealers, Howell's in Gray, The Great Outdoors in Winthrop. I've been happy with the service at KTP, not so happy at some of the other places. It's worth the extra drive. I papertuned mine tonight. It doesn't shoot bullet holes when lined up like it should be. I had to move the rest out quite a bit from the centerline to get it to shoot good through the paper. Hope you can get yours worked out Griz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY911Bowhunter Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... Just a suggestion; When I got my SB, I loved it - it shot great! After a while - my shooting deteriorated and I began to dislike the bow. I was very, very close to trading it for a Hoyt. But I kept shooting it - getting used to the Oneida Eagle smooth draw, the speed, everything that seperates a high end bow from those at the bottom of the food chain. Turns out, after getting used to it, and bringing ME up to the Switchback's level, we shot great together. Maybe you just need a "break in period". I know I did. Just a thought and NO disrespect intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainebuck Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... you could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... [ QUOTE ] Just a suggestion; When I got my SB, I loved it - it shot great! After a while - my shooting deteriorated and I began to dislike the bow. I was very, very close to trading it for a Hoyt. But I kept shooting it - getting used to the Oneida Eagle smooth draw, the speed, everything that seperates a high end bow from those at the bottom of the food chain. Turns out, after getting used to it, and bringing ME up to the Switchback's level, we shot great together. Maybe you just need a "break in period". I know I did. Just a thought and NO disrespect intended. [/ QUOTE ] That is an excellent post. Not sure if I said it here or not, but I have said before that Mathews bows more than any other seems to really show form flaws. With my Vapor 300 and XTEC, I could get a little sloppy with my form and still be pretty close. If I get sloppy with the Switchback, the arrow goes way right. The bow has taught me that I need perfect form each and every shot. I think that will be a huge help when I take up competitive shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mainebuck Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Mathews Switchback.... I think all the conditions were related and cumulate in bad shooting. That is, string stretch led to increased draw length. This led to bad form on my part. Bad shooting due to the bad form killed my shooting confidence. All these things added up for me. That being said, now that I'm back to the correct specs it's like night and day. Had a good practice session during the last 15 minutes of legal shooting light this evening. What a joy to shoot again. The beman 400's are like lightning bolts coming off the string. My form is right on again, no flight issues. Hopefully this continues through the rest of the season. Even more so, hopefully I can connect with some brown hair on Friday morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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