Cellular One = No right-to-carry

[Strut10]

Cellular One stores, nationwide, have adopted a "No Firearms" policy. Law-abiding citizens carrying legally concealed handguns are prohibited from entering Cellular One's premises. Seems they fear gun violence from their customers & employees. So they've posted a 10" sticker in the front window stating "No Firearms".

That'll stop a gun-wielding maniac........for sure.

My Cellular One contract is outta here. Their phone service is as remedial as their firearms policy, anyhow.

[HuntingInMaine]

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Seems they fear gun violence from their customers & employees.

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I had to laugh when I read that....is their customer service so bad that they worry about making people so angry that they would use a gun?

That little sticker isn't going to stop someone who has their mind set on shooting someone!

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

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That won't work in Texas either. A buisness can restrict concealed carry holders from their property, but they have to post a very specific type of sign with very specific wording. Something that says "No Firearms" or the picture of a handgun with a slash through it are totally meaningless. If they do have their property correctly posted and still somehow detect that a person is carrying a concealed handgun, they can ask the person to leave and if they don't comply they'll be guilty of trespassing.

As to Cellular One - I'll just have to add them to my list of companies that I don't care to do buisness with.

[LifeNRA]

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I'll just have to add them to my list of companies that I don't care to do buisness with.

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Yep! Hopefully the NRA will see this and help spread the news!!!

[popgun]

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I do not have an ax to grind, and I do not have a cell phone, but any business has the "Right" to post signs, and prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons on their property.

As a matter of fact; their right to prohibit weapons, supersedes your privilege to carry one.

The reason I refer to the carry permit as a privilege is simply because; if you had the "right", you wouldn't need a permit.

This is much like the privilege to drive a car given to you because you obtained a license.

The way the concealed weapons permit laws are written; you must even inform the homeowner if you are visiting someone, that you are carrying and have their permission to remain armed.

I wouldn't boycott my friends or acquaintances if they preferred I did not come into their home armed.

I think boycotting a business is going a little too far.

Will you boycott the Post Office?

Your local Police Department?

The local or county courthouse?

Will you boycott your church?

The ball park where your kids play t-ball or little league?

How about a pro or college football game?

Your favorite restaurant that serves alcoholic beverages on the side?

How about the local or the VA Hospital?

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

The concealed carry laws give you the "privilege to carry unless otherwise prohibited", but that is all.

Remember that if you are carrying, and go to your favorite restaurant, you cannot drink even one beer or mixed drink, or you would be in violation of the very law you want to protect.

Also, I might add, that if you are stopped for a traffic violation, you must inform the officer that you are carrying a weapon with a permit.

And, as far as notifying the NRA...I am the NRA....and so is every member of the NRA.

....popgun

[buckee]

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I always love reading your posts Popgun ...the voice of reasoning

[popgun]

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Thanks buckee....I got into the habit of "Thinking" a few years ago.

For the most part, it has paid off....but sometimes... I tend to just tick some people off.

....popgun

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

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I happen to disagree on the point of concealed carry being a privilege rather than a right. I agree that the law of the land states where and when I can legally carry, but I do think that a person's right to self defense IS a God given right. The government's limiting of that is what makes it seem more of a privilege. We see a very similar situation with religion. I don't think anyone here doubts that freedom of religion is a right, but the government does place restrictions on when, where and how we practice it.

[SaskMan]

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I also think popgun's post smashed the nail on the head. I could not agree more with what he said. Then again I do not even live in the U.S.A but it makes total sense to me.

[Nut]

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I also think popgun's post smashed the nail on the head.

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I have to agree. I would not be able to but a gallon of milk if I boycotted.

[Strut10]

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.......any business has the "Right" to post signs, and prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons on their property.

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You are right. And I have the right to refuse to do business with them.

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The reason I refer to the carry permit as a privilege is simply because; if you had the "right", you wouldn't need a permit.

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WRONG!! It is a right. It is listed in the Bill of Rights. The reason for the permit is 90 years of baloney, do-nothing, feel-good legislation by the left side of the aisle.

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This is much like the privilege to drive a car given to you because you obtained a license.

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Show me constitutional precedent for being able to drive a car.

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I think boycotting a business is going a little too far.

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I don't

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Also, I might add, that if you are stopped for a traffic violation, you must inform the officer that you are carrying a weapon with a permit.

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No I don't.

I am the NRA, too. And I take this stuff pretty seriously. Sure, there are instances where I am absolutelt prohibited to carry. A lot of that is garbage legislation, too. But I hold my nose and do what I gotta as a law-abiding citizen. I insist that carrying a firearm is a right. It is not the list of "privilege to carry" states that is growing. It is the list of "RIGHT to carry" states. I follow the laws of those staes. But, ultimately, the 2nd Ammendment to the Constitution is my carry permit.

I don't agree with the Democrat party...........I don't donate to the DNC. I don't agree with Cellular one.........I don't do business there.

[slugshooter]

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Thats all fine and good in Pennsylvania, but here in NC you have to tell them, and actually, this is coming from the deputy sheriff friends I have, they know when they pull you over if you have a CCW because it comes up in their computer system, so, they'll ask you if you have a gun in your possession, and then be PO'd if you do and you haven't made it known to them.

As far as Cellular One, it's their right to restrict concealed firearms as much as it is your right to carry in concurrence with your CCW as well as it is your right to boycott them. Whether it makes any difference or not is to be seen.

[Strut10]

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As far as Cellular One, it's their right to restrict concealed firearms as much as it is your right to carry in concurrence with your CCW as well as it is your right to boycott them. Whether it makes any difference or not is to be seen.

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It makes me feel better. That's probably the only difference it'll ever make.

[VermontHunter]

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I really have too many mixed emotions on the issue of CCW's.....to say if I'm for it or against it......

I will say this tho....I work retail for a living and I most definately would be intimedated by someone carying a weapon into a store I work in......I just can't see any reason why a person would have the need to carry a weapon into a store or any other public place..but that just JMO...

But on the other hand this is America and is a so called FREE country so if it's legal the more power to ya....I don't begrudge any one from exercising their constitutional rights to bear arms.....

[horst]

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I guesse I dont see it as being much different than me being able to tell someone they cant carry a gun into my house if I dont want them to.If you really cant stand the thought of not being able to pay your cell phone bill without your pistol along thats definately your decision, but IMO not allowing guns in a public place is hardly a violation of your rights.

[wtnhunt]

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Seems they fear gun violence from their customers & employees.

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I had to laugh when I read that....is their customer service so bad that they worry about making people so angry that they would use a gun?

That little sticker isn't going to stop someone who has their mind set on shooting someone!

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Kind of humorous. Like Chris says, you have a right to not let someone carry a gun in your home, I guess a business should also have that right.

[Texan_Til_I_Die]

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Seems they fear gun violence from their customers & employees.

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I had to laugh when I read that....is their customer service so bad that they worry about making people so angry that they would use a gun?

That little sticker isn't going to stop someone who has their mind set on shooting someone!

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Kind of humorous. Like Chris says, you have a right to not let someone carry a gun in your home, I guess a business should also have that right.

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Correct. And I have the "right" to not do buisness with them if I choose.

[wtnhunt]

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Correct. And I have the "right" to not do buisness with them if I choose.

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That you do. Plenty of cell phone providers around here.

[Guest hunter480]

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I do not have an ax to grind, and I do not have a cell phone, but any business has the "Right" to post signs, and prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons on their property.

As a matter of fact; their right to prohibit weapons, supersedes your privilege to carry one.

The reason I refer to the carry permit as a privilege is simply because; if you had the "right", you wouldn't need a permit.

This is much like the privilege to drive a car given to you because you obtained a license.

The way the concealed weapons permit laws are written; you must even inform the homeowner if you are visiting someone, that you are carrying and have their permission to remain armed.

I wouldn't boycott my friends or acquaintances if they preferred I did not come into their home armed.

I think boycotting a business is going a little too far.

Will you boycott the Post Office?

Your local Police Department?

The local or county courthouse?

Will you boycott your church?

The ball park where your kids play t-ball or little league?

How about a pro or college football game?

Your favorite restaurant that serves alcoholic beverages on the side?

How about the local or the VA Hospital?

I could go on, but I think you get my point.

The concealed carry laws give you the "privilege to carry unless otherwise prohibited", but that is all.

Remember that if you are carrying, and go to your favorite restaurant, you cannot drink even one beer or mixed drink, or you would be in violation of the very law you want to protect.

Also, I might add, that if you are stopped for a traffic violation, you must inform the officer that you are carrying a weapon with a permit.

And, as far as notifying the NRA...I am the NRA....and so is every member of the NRA.

....popgun

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First things first: number one, you cannot compare carrying a gun to driving a vehicle. The constitution does not grant you the RIGHT to drive a vehicle, but does to BEAR arms. The reason for the permit is to ensure felons, mentally unstable, and otherwise citizens prohibited from carrying weapons are not endorsed by the state. Second, the state of Indiana does not compel me to notify anyone that I`m carrying a concealed weapon, so the states do not require that. Some may, but it varies by state. Third, I feel it`s not only fine to boycott a business that doesn`t support the lawful carry of a concealed weapon, but I believe it`s the only thing for a principled person to do. A lawful citizen exercising a lawful RIGHT is no threat to anyone. Except a criminal. Studys consistantly show that areas that have right to carry laws have few instances of violent crime. Lastly, he didn`t mean notify the NRA, meaning you. He meant notify the NRA, we who get it.

[popgun]

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hunter480, and all you others who plan boycotting need to make a quick search like I did.

You will need to add to that list of businesses to boycott:

Waffle House

Citibank and it's subsidiaries

Whirlpool

AOL (yes the INTERNET Co.)

Wal-Mart store in Las Vegas at I-215 and Eastern

Xerox Corporation

ExxonMobil Corp.

McDonald's

ConocoPhillips

British Columbia Salmon Farmers Assoc.

The National Park Service

Royal King

Dick's Sporting Goods

Costco in Prescott AZ

Delta Airlines (not even in baggage)

Pizza Hut

Those are only a few with a no firearms policy.

As for comparing carry permits with driving privileges, I can compare the two if I want. I can compare gun ownership to having a baby if I want. It would be silly to do so, but is my "right".

Do a search and add to the list of businesses to boycott.

They are exercising their "Right" to post signs prohibiting guns.

You will soon have no where to do your shopping.

I may not agree with some of you, but I am still the NRA. That was capitalized in his reply, so it means that he was talking about the National Rifle Association or he was shouting. We can all be members of the same organization and not always agree, just as we can be members of the same forum and not always agree.

As a matter of clarification; I never said anything about areas of the country with right to carry laws and violent crime. I happen to agree with that part of your comment.

By the way... I have a concealed carry permit.

Do you?....popgun

[Guest hunter480]

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hunter480, and all you others who plan boycotting need to make a quick search like I did.

You will need to add to that list of businesses to boycott:

Waffle House

Citibank and it's subsidiaries

Whirlpool

AOL (yes the INTERNET Co.)

Wal-Mart store in Las Vegas at I-215 and Eastern

Xerox Corporation

ExxonMobil Corp.

McDonald's

ConocoPhillips

British Columbia Salmon Farmers Assoc.

The National Park Service

Royal King

Dick's Sporting Goods

Costco in Prescott AZ

Delta Airlines (not even in baggage)

Pizza Hut

Those are only a few.

As for comparing carry permits with driving privileges, I can compare the two if I want. I can compare gun ownership to having a baby if I want. It would be silly to do so, but is my "right".

Do a search and add to the list of businesses to boycott.

They are exercising their "Right" to post signs prohibiting guns.

You will soon have no where to do your shopping.

I may not agree with some of you, but I am still the NRA. That was capitalized in his reply, so it means that he was talking about the National Rifle Association or he was shouting. We can all be members of the same organization and not always agree, just as we can be members of the same forum and not always agree.

As a matter of clarification; I never said anything about areas of the country with right to carry laws and violent crime. I happen to agree with that part of your comment.

By the way... I have a concealed carry permit.

Do you?....popgun

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Duh! Yes. I have a carry permit. And you`re right. You can say whatever silly things you`d like. You might want to go to the American Hunter website. NRA has a button there they call their blacklist. It`s a list of anti-gun companies and individuals they have kindly provided for us to make life easier when we want to know who to do business with, or who to BOYCOTT. Oh no, their list is bigger than yours! And no, you do not have to follow our lead. You have your, obviously, very important right, to not be principled, to not support those of us involved, and doing more than simply paying our dues. No, you don`t have to be engaged. You can continue to sit on the sidelines and point out how those of us who are doing something are in the wrong.

You don`t belong to the aclu.... do you?

[popgun]

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"You have your, obviously, very important right, to not be principled, to not support those of us involved, and doing more than simply paying our dues. No, you don`t have to be engaged. You can continue to sit on the sidelines and point out how those of us who are doing something are in the wrong.

You don`t belong to the aclu.... do you?"

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I sure don't know why you are so bent out of shape about my first reply. So you don't like my comparison...

If you knew me you would not have made that last remark.

And to answer your last question...NO I'm, not a Commie.

....popgun

[VermontHunter]

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I just have a query to make,,,I definately don't want to tredd on anyones rights,,,,,but I served this great country so I think I'm intitled to ask.....

Why on gods green earth would anyone feel the need to carry a weapon grocery shopping, to pay a cell phone bill, or to go out ot eat ?? or to just go fo a drive with the family ??

I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just trying to understand the thought behind it.....

I don't want to hear the old " Because I can bit either " lets be original and honest here...

And when doe's it become infringing on the rights of others to feel safe from your weapon in public ???

Mind you I fought for those rights to carry and bear arms..... ,,,,I'm just trying to understand when it becomes an infringment of others rights....

So let me hear these lagitament reasons on why everyone feels the need to carry a weapon in a public place,,,,,

[buckee]

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hunter480, and all you others who plan boycotting need to make a quick search like I did.

You will need to add to that list of businesses to boycott:

Waffle House

Citibank and it's subsidiaries

Whirlpool

AOL (yes the INTERNET Co.)

Wal-Mart store in Las Vegas at I-215 and Eastern

Xerox Corporation

ExxonMobil Corp.

McDonald's

ConocoPhillips

British Columbia Salmon Farmers Assoc.

The National Park Service

Royal King

Dick's Sporting Goods

Costco in Prescott AZ

Delta Airlines (not even in baggage)

Pizza Hut

Those are only a few.

As for comparing carry permits with driving privileges, I can compare the two if I want. I can compare gun ownership to having a baby if I want. It would be silly to do so, but is my "right".

Do a search and add to the list of businesses to boycott.

They are exercising their "Right" to post signs prohibiting guns.

You will soon have no where to do your shopping.

I may not agree with some of you, but I am still the NRA. That was capitalized in his reply, so it means that he was talking about the National Rifle Association or he was shouting. We can all be members of the same organization and not always agree, just as we can be members of the same forum and not always agree.

As a matter of clarification; I never said anything about areas of the country with right to carry laws and violent crime. I happen to agree with that part of your comment.

By the way... I have a concealed carry permit.

Do you?....popgun

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Duh! Yes. I have a carry permit. And you`re right. You can say whatever silly things you`d like. You might want to go to the American Hunter website. NRA has a button there they call their blacklist. It`s a list of anti-gun companies and individuals they have kindly provided for us to make life easier when we want to know who to do business with, or who to BOYCOTT. Oh no, their list is bigger than yours! And no, you do not have to follow our lead. You have your, obviously, very important right, to not be principled, to not support those of us involved, and doing more than simply paying our dues. No, you don`t have to be engaged. You can continue to sit on the sidelines and point out how those of us who are doing something are in the wrong.

You don`t belong to the aclu.... do you?

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wait a minute now. I was with you all the way pretty much until now.

Just because a store owner or big business owner doesn't want you to carry concealed weapons into or onto their premises, does not make them anti-gun folks.

This is the one part of the NRA that I just don't understand. You are cutting your own throat when you start labelling folks anti-gun, when all they are doing is trying to protect their own establishments, by a simple rule.

It's no different that in the old west, when in some saloons, you had to leave your gun at the bar if you wanted to stay.

Come-on ...theirs good things the NRA is doing to protect our gun rights...don't give responsible citizens and gun owners a bad name by labelling all these businesses anti-gun advocates.

Some of you more staunch NRA members take things just one step too far and do more harm to our fight than good..IMO

and Popgun is not anti-gun, so stop treating him like he is....eh

I think the NRA needs to stop grinding it's teeth and start showing a little more respect to perspective members and non-members if they want to gain respect from others. Gun owners and non-owners alike.

Just my opinion of course

[Guest hunter480]

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"You have your, obviously, very important right, to not be principled, to not support those of us involved, and doing more than simply paying our dues. No, you don`t have to be engaged. You can continue to sit on the sidelines and point out how those of us who are doing something are in the wrong.

You don`t belong to the aclu.... do you?"

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I sure don't know why you are so bent out of shape about my first reply. So you don't like my comparison...

If you knew me you would not have made that last remark.

And to answer your last question...NO I'm, not a Commie.

....popgun

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Look dude, I just want to see if you have a fire in your belly for anything. Absolutely we can disagree and still be fine. Thing is though, you`ve got to know where you stand on things, and not be afraid to have a passion for it. But like it or not, there are certain principles that aren`t negotiable.