Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] I just have a query to make,,,I definately don't want to tredd on anyones rights,,,,,but I served this great country so I think I'm intitled to ask..... Why on gods green earth would anyone feel the need to carry a weapon grocery shopping, to pay a cell phone bill, or to go out ot eat ?? or to just go fo a drive with the family ?? I'm not saying it's wrong. I'm just trying to understand the thought behind it..... So let me hear these lagitament reasons on why everyone feels the need to carry a weapon in a public place,,,,, [/ QUOTE ] Ask Susan Gratia Hupp. She was in the Killeen, Tx Luby's cafateria and watched helplessly as her parents, along with 22 other innocent people are being brutally murdered by a mad man while her handgun was locked in her car outside. At the time, Texas did not have a right to carry law. Thank God we do today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] Ask Susan Gratia Hupp. She was in the Killeen, Tx Luby's cafateria and watched helplessly as her parents, along with 22 other innocent people are being brutally murdered by a mad man while her handgun was locked in her car outside. At the time, Texas did not have a right to carry law. Thank God we do today. [/ QUOTE ] I defintely don't want to trivualize this unfortunate happening......But what exactly would her handgun of done for her if she was one of the first to be brutally murdered ???? Or what would have happened if one of her rounds did the killing by having stray round hit someone innocent ???? Do you see my delema here ??? I am all for self protection,,,,don't get me wrong, If we all carried weapons on our sides and started spraying bullets all over the place just because we got scared,,,,,,who pays the price if something accidental happens.....??? I just see too many hot heads in society these days, to justify carrying sidearms and making the public uncomfortable, just to have a little so called self assurance.... Like I said if it's legal where you are have at it,,,,,but coming from me that works retail,,,it sure makes me uncomfortable having people walking in where I work armed,,now I have no clue who is the good guy or who is the bad guy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry All I can give you for an answer is my assurance that I'm quite capable of accurately and safely (safe for innocent bystanders, not for my target) using a handgun to protect myself and others in a public place. Both the training required by the State of Texas and my own personal experience and training means the possibilty of shooting someone unintentionally, while present, is extremely remote. All of the statisics in states that have right to carry laws reinforce this. Personally, I actually feel safer when I'm in the presence of a large number of people who are legally carrying concealed handguns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] All I can give you for an answer is my assurance that I'm quite capable of accurately and safely (safe for innocent bystanders, not for my target) using a handgun to protect myself and others in a public place. [/ QUOTE ] Texan, can you assure me the same is true of every person that carries a concealed weapon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] Texan, can you assure me the same is true of every person that carries a concealed weapon? [/ QUOTE ] No. Nor can I assure you that every driver on the road is a safe, sober driver. I can't assure you that the cook at the last restaurant you ate at didn't have hepatitus, and I most definitely can't assure you that your physician has just made a correct diagnosis and prescribed the correct treatment. Life involves risks and fortunately your risk of being injured or killed accidentally by somone using a legally carried concealed handgun is statisticaly so low as to make it almost a certainty that it won't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] Both the training required by the State of Texas and my own personal experience and training [/ QUOTE ] Texan,,,,what you are failing to see here is that your above statement is a controlled situation,,,,a few ours shooting at targets (that don't shoot back ) and a written test,,,will never prepare you for a actual out of control hostile situation.....Believe me.... When I was serving as a MP in the Army my partner and I have been in many of these situations,,,confronting highly trainned military personal that just went nuts in a bar,,,,,The only thing he I ever told each other was that anything moving and had a gun was a target.......so to me that meant if anything did arise innocent by standards were going to be killed..........luckily for he and I nothing like that ever happened... When someone is shooting at you all bets are off,,,,no trainning in the world will ever prepare you for that moment...... Ask anyone that's been in that kind of situation,,,even hardened combat VETS,,,,they'll all say the same I bet,,,,Once someone is shooting at you things tend to take their own course,,,tunnel vision isn't a myth, it's real.. It's nice to have the thought of self protection,, but when the chips are down it's usually someone innocent that gets hurt... this is why trainned police officers are being sued all over this country,,,because gun battles take on their own ugly way of getting out of control.....and they have far many hours of trainning than the average citizen.... I called one oerson on here friend and had it rejected,,,,I hope that's not the case here,,,,, It's legal where you are and I respect that,,,,I just hope you never have to experience close quarters gun play..... Be Safe my friend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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horst Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Texan, can you assure me the same is true of every person that carries a concealed weapon? [/ QUOTE ] No. Nor can I assure you that every driver on the road is a safe, sober driver. I can't assure you that the cook at the last restaurant you ate at didn't have hepatitus, and I most definitely can't assure you that your physician has just made a correct diagnosis and prescribed the correct treatment. Life involves risks and fortunately your risk of being injured or killed accidentally by somone using a legally carried concealed handgun is statisticaly so low as to make it almost a certainty that it won't happen. [/ QUOTE ] True, life involves risk.But I have some control of my own car, and i can make a decision or where Im gonna eat.I can even choose to see another doctor if Im not happy with one.But I cant control anything when someone else is pulling a gun out and opening fire. Statistically the need to carry a concealed weapon to defend yourself is so low that venturing to the phone company without it shouldnt be a factor.Im not gonna argue with you though, I respect your opinion even if its a little different then mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry Hey, I appreciate your service and sacrifice. It's because of folks like you that I live in a free nation and can engage in friendly debates such as this. I have had 2 instances where my personal safety was in danger and in both cases I believe that my ability to legally carry a handgun was the deciding factor. In both situations, no innocent bystanders were hurt. Again, I think this entire debate comes down to this. Does your right to be free from the fear of being harmed as an innocent bystander by someone with a concealed handgun outweigh the concealed handgun carrier's right to have that weapon for self defense? In my opinion, the answer is no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] Again, I think this entire debate comes down to this. Does your right to be free from the fear of being harmed as an innocent bystander by someone with a concealed handgun outweigh the concealed handgun carrier's right to have that weapon for self defense? In my opinion, the answer is no. [/ QUOTE ] The right to be free from the fear of being harmed as an innocent bystander does not outweigh your right to carry a concealed handgun for self defence, however it is equal to it. A business owners right to have rules for his store or business gives him the right to create and enforce those rules also. A driver's licence may allow you and give you the right to drive your car anywhere you want too, but it doesn't allow you to drive your car into a store now, does it. So you see, there does have to be some compromises made here. It's not a one-sided rights issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] Again, I think this entire debate comes down to this. Does your right to be free from the fear of being harmed as an innocent bystander by someone with a concealed handgun outweigh the concealed handgun carrier's right to have that weapon for self defense? In my opinion, the answer is no. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting,,,,,,I have something to ponder and think about..... I will definately give this some thought before posting on it..... And it was and is pureley my pleasure to serve this great nation.......NOT all people are bad.....every barrel has bad apples,,it's knowing which ones need to be culled from the crop thats trickey.... I totally respect your opinion and legal right to carry a CCW,,,,I'm just trying to grasp both sides of the issue,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Cellular One = No right-to-carry [ QUOTE ] The right to be free from the fear of being harmed as an innocent bystander does not outweigh your right to carry a concealed handgun for self defence, however it is equal to it. A business owners right to have rules for his store or business has that right to create and enforce those rules also. So you see, there does have to be some compromises made here. It's not a one-sided rights issue. [/ QUOTE ] I agree completely with that. If I was giving the impression that I thought buisness owners could not set rules for their own buisnesses or private people for their own residences, then I was just being unclear. What I DON'T agree with is anyone telling me that I don't have a right to carry my handgun in those places where it is allowed by law because they're afraid that I may be a danger to them if they happen to be in the same place at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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