Mirage Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Ok here it is when you shoot from a treestand say 20 feet up do you aim lower on your target if your sights are sighted in on the ground.I think that if you are aiming at a target"deer" at 20 yards away and it should be like around 18 yard shot on the ground?? am i right because of the arch of the arrow and gravity and such..30 should be what?will it make much differance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
too_pointer Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand Many opinions on this. They always say you will hit higher if aiming uphill or downhill. Also you might have the deer drop down some due to noise reaction. I always aim low in the chest ( the heart area). If he drops, you get lungs. too_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SRA Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand [ QUOTE ] Many opinions on this. They always say you will hit higher if aiming uphill or downhill. Also you might have the deer drop down some due to noise reaction. I always aim low in the chest ( the heart area). If he drops, you get lungs. too_ [/ QUOTE ] same as too_......... i have a Trophy Ridge Pendulum sight this year.....interested to see how it will perform...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Many opinions on this. They always say you will hit higher if aiming uphill or downhill. Also you might have the deer drop down some due to noise reaction. I always aim low in the chest ( the heart area). If he drops, you get lungs. too_ [/ QUOTE ] same as too_......... i have a Trophy Ridge Pendulum sight this year.....interested to see how it will perform...... [/ QUOTE ] I'm curious about these pendulum sights. Please keep us updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDubWSR Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand The reason for shooting higher or lower on uphill and downhill shots is caused by not bending at the waist. if you dont bend at the waist, when aming uphill or downhill it will slightly change your form which is what causes the difference. if you draw and aim like you are goin to shoot straight in front of you and then bend over at the waist to lower your pin to your target, you should shoot right on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joebobhunter4 Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand if i remember right in another posting site a guy did calculations and all of that stuff at a 30 yard shot i think he had it from a stand it isnt much of an inch if that lower that 30 and a lil low at 20 but not more than an inch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted September 14, 2005 Report Share Posted September 14, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand Actually not to be a nerd, but the reason your shot hits higher at uphill or downhill shots reguardless of how you bend is because gravity is not acting directly (90 degrees) perpendicular to the arrow so it doesnt have as much of an effect. Still assuming you are bending at the waist which is correct I doubt it will make much difference. I sight in 1.5 yards closer for 20 and 1 yard closer for longer ranges (angle of arrow is gettting closer to 90 so gravity gets to act more) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand Personally, I hold exactly where I want the arrow to hit. I don't aim low or high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colescott1 Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand I bought an identical ladderstand that I hunt out of to practice out of....and I can say, from experience, that out to 30 yards, I see NO difference....except that instead of the arrow being "level" in the target, it is on an angle going through the target. Only way to truly see is to practice from the height and style you will be hunting in and see for yourself. For me...no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand The best way is to go and shoot from your stand at a 3 d target.. adjust your sights accordingly. It will shoot different than on the ground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand i wish i could but my backyrad just dosnt have the room for this aand im not sure where i could do this at around here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand Hmm this question gets asked a thousand times and it seems that many still have it wrong... you must bend at the waist when shooting out of a treestand.. the reason has nothing to do with gravity or the tiny bit extra length added to the yardage.. it has to do with shooting form . when you draw your bow on level ground your shooting form is perfect,.. the shoulders are in alignment with your target and theres no problem.. however when most guys are in a treestand they draw there bow and then lower the pins to the target .. when you do this it changes your shooting form. making it all out of whack.. which causes high or low hits depending on how sever the angle and your shooting form is.. if you simply draw your bow , come to anchor , then bend at the waist to put the pin on the deer . you shooting form is exactly like on level ground.. which means all you have to do is aim dead on and execute the shot... also the formula to figure out the distance from the stand to the target is .. A squared + B squared = C squared.. tree stand height 20 feet distance from base of tree to target 20 yards ( 60 feet ) so to figure out how far it really is 20 feet squared is 400 + 60 feet squared ( 3600 )= 4000 now take the square root of this and you have 63.245 feet which is 21.08 yards... so when you shoot at a target that is 20 yards away from the base of your tree and your shooting from a 20 foot high stand it really is 21 yards.. there will not be homework or a test later .. however i will take donations for the on line class you just had.. Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hi-Tech RedNeck Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand Tony, Sorry but I have to disagree with you on this one. Although what you are saying about form and bending at the waste, is 100% on the ball I believe you are using the math backwards. An arrow's trajectory is in relation to the horizntal distance it is travelling only, and does have anything to do with how high you are in a tree. The key here is the horizontal distance or the distance form the base of the tree. If you are shooting at a target 20 yards from the base of your tree then your arrow will hit the same as if you were shooting 20 yds from the ground regardless of how high in the tree you are (assuming your form is correct). If you are 30 feet (10yds) up a tree and you shoot at a target that is 2yds from the base fo the tree this is a 2yd shot not a 10 yd shot. Do some playing with a lazer range finder, taking measurements form the base of the tree and in the tree and you will find your arrow is going to point of impact matches the measurement taken from the base of the tree. HT Redneck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand Yes this sounds good but i think the gravity has a lot to do with the trajectory of the arrow and the arch of flight although the arch may be small it still has a different effect when shooting down.Maybe im wrong but i think im right on this.key word here is i THINK but i could be wrong wouldnt be the first or last time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand [ QUOTE ] Actually not to be a nerd, but the reason your shot hits higher at uphill or downhill shots reguardless of how you bend is because gravity is not acting directly (90 degrees) perpendicular to the arrow so it doesnt have as much of an effect. Still assuming you are bending at the waist which is correct I doubt it will make much difference. I sight in 1.5 yards closer for 20 and 1 yard closer for longer ranges (angle of arrow is gettting closer to 90 so gravity gets to act more) [/ QUOTE ] You are not being a nerd. Because you are mistaken. Gravity is a constant value, which means it will always have the same affect on any object. The reason you hit high is because the hypotenuse is larger than the horizontal distance. If you range a deer from a tree, then range the deer from the ground. The range from the tree will be longer. You want to aim as per the horizontal distance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand wow now its getting over my head ill just be sure my form is correct then bend at the waist and put it dead on him. There is a little room for error about 6 inches or so. I will be otay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hoyt_vtec_kid Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand well everyone is different, if i was u i would practice shooting from the height u'll be hunting at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand i have to differ with you.. the formula is correct. to find the unknown side of a triangle you use the Pythagorean theory for finding the unknown side of a right triangle.. heres a triangle . its drawn like a shot from your treestand.. [image][/image] side A is 20 feet . which represents your height up in a stand. side B represents the distance from the base of your tree to the target which for this is 20 yards ( 60 feet ). to find side C which is the path of the arrow you use the formula A squared + B squared = C squared.. and i have to disagree with your 2 yard shot . it really is 10 yards.. the arrow traveled down 10 yards to get to the 2 yard target.. Shoot Strong Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted September 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Shooting from a treestand this is assuming that your arrow flies straight wich it does not do it flys at an arch and that brings me to my statement about gravity having a different affect because now you are not flying a to b you are flying from aplus to b minus= soewhere diffent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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