Strut_Buster Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 How Do you feel. I have a really close family friend who is currently speaking from a voice box, in a wheelchair. And has slowly deteriorated throughout my lifetime. Her daugheter is a Sr. in highschool and her mom, may not live long enough to see her graduate. Her husbund has recently had to start staying home taking care of his wife and working at night. Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases.... why are all you ultra conservative people so against it. Bush... for a time I had so much respect for him. Now I wish someone a lil more open minded was in the whitehouse. I think we need this research for the embetterment of the world. Imagine soldgiers coming home and possibly being able to be repaired from extensive injury. yall ever think of that. I'm slowly tunring liberal from moderate. I;ll be damned if i vote for someone against stem cell research. Go ahead and preach the bible if you want. But then i must ask you where your compassion is to mankind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Why create a life to kill it to save another? What is right about killing an embryo? At what point do we see that saving the lives of everyone will essentially prolong too many lives leading to potentially overcrowding the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Its an embryo. Its not alive. Its not breating... its not moveing... Do you eat chicken eggs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] Its an embryo. Its not alive. Its not breating... its not moveing... Do you eat chicken eggs? [/ QUOTE ] Do you eat fertilized chicken eggs? Since when is a fertilized egg not a life, and since when did we define life as only being that which is outside the womb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research I am gonna withhold my opinion on this because according to a recent news program I saw....apparently some scientists have figured out a way to use stem cell research WITHOUT harming or destroying embryos. If I can find the article I will post it. I think I heard it on Good Morning America or the Today show. If it's true....then that is GREAT news!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Stem cell research in and of itself is a good thing. It's the source for the stem cells that I object to. I too have heard that there are potential sources for stem cell lines that don't involve live embryos (sometimes known as babies). If we can get that technology going, I am all for it. Sorry to hear of your relative's condition. It may be too late to help her, but hopefully we'll find some answers in the future that will help others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Here's the link to the new research: stem cell alternative Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Depends on how you define it bucko. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research I oppose abortion not stem cell research! I have no problem with stem cell research! I have a problem with condoning abortion (legalized murder) to obtain those stem cells. Alternatives to embryonic stem cells are out there (cord blood etc) and perfectly viable. Use them not babies. As for the potential of stem cell research: A stem cell is an "undiferentiated" cell. That means it is a human cell with the genetic potential to become any form of tissue the body needs. This gives it the potential to replace damaged cells in other humans. It is most promising for replacing damaged nerves and healing paralysis and a minor potential to help with minor to moderate brain damage. It can't replace whole systems or even organs (though some argue it could eventualy be used to replace organs) This is not a viable answer for most degenerative diseases like you are refering too. Those diseases are horrible and it is very tragic that anyone has to endure and eventualy die from them. Unfortunately there is no easy answer to cure them...stem cells or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitteken Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Too many people think that a stem cell has to come from a fetus. That is wrong. Stem cell occur all over your body all of the time. I believe they are made in the bone marrow. They are a cell that hasn't been told by the body what to become. So they are in fact a wild card. Now if scientists can find a way to isolate them. They can pull them from umbilical blood and freeze it for you. But I wouldn't. Because by the time you need it they have a way to isolate them otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research I am very aware of the cord research, we have a packet around here somewhere from a cord bank. My mother in law wanted my wife and I to have our second daughter, born in July 2001, cord feeze dried and kept in some this bank. It cost a fortune to do, and her concern was genuine due to her fight with cancer which she did in fact lose in January of 2002. Research on the cord is not a bad thing in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunter480 Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] Its an embryo. Its not alive. Its not breating... its not moveing... Do you eat chicken eggs? [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I eat chicken eggs. I also eat chicken. What`s the point. Can you seriously compare a chicken to a human? Destroying human embryos for any reason is murder. It`s goulish, and frightenly reminisent of "experiments" the nazis did at the concentration camps on their Jewish "patients" What kind of monster would want to live if it takes this kind of evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases.... [/ QUOTE ] Created in his image, but not to play God. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunter480 Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases....[/quote Created in his image, but not to play God. [/ QUOTE ] Good for you man.....good for you...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted September 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases.... [/ QUOTE ] Created in his image, but not to play God. [/ QUOTE ] You play god everytime you kill a deer ya kno that lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunter480 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases.... [/ QUOTE ] Created in his image, but not to play God. [/ QUOTE ] You play god everytime you kill a deer ya kno that lol [/ QUOTE ] What are you talking about? How is killing a deer playing God? You`re comparing a human embryo to a deer? That`s the kind of crud peta spouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted September 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Lets see here. God created the brids and the bees and all the fishes in the seas. So he prolly created deer to. And its not like the deer was gonna live forever. It was gonna die sometime. God could have a flood and drown it or you could play god and kill it with your bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunter480 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] Lets see here. God created the brids and the bees and all the fishes in the seas. So he prolly created deer to. And its not like the deer was gonna live forever. It was gonna die sometime. God could have a flood and drown it or you could play god and kill it with your bow. [/ QUOTE ] You`re too far out there man. I don`t think you`re on this planet. You keep smokin that good stuff. You`re obviously in a good place. Not in touch with reality, but in a good place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research I thought this thread would have been a little more educational than it's turned out to be. Kind of hard to even talk with someone who values the life of a human being in the same light as that of a deer, or any other animal. If I wanted to have these kinds of discussions, I'd just go over and visit the PETA web-site. They all think like this over there, only they value the live of an animal just a bit higher than a humans.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases.... [/ QUOTE ] Created in his image, but not to play God. [/ QUOTE ] I cant comment on the stem cell research, i gotta admitt i never payed enough attention to understand any of it.But I gotta point out something thats painfully obvious here.Some of you guys seem to pick and choose when people "playing god " is a good thing and then you switch it around depending on the circumstances. Creating an embryo and killing it you call playing God and label it a bad thing. Awhile back when all the crap was in the news about Terry Schiavo or whatever her name was the same people were calling it murder to take her off life support.By putting a feeding tube in and keeping her alive for 15 years artificially werent we playing God then?Without interference by humans she would have died long before that.How is it that Playing God only applies when it fits your agenda? It happens in the medical field every day, doctors make decisions that mean life or death for thier patients instead of letting nature take its course.Im not trying to start an argument but if taking a life to heal is wrong what makes cases like that right where healing someone occurs that has no chance at a normal life?Seems to me you guts wanna have it both ways and use the same argument to justify both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunter480 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Now the way I see it. God created humans in his image, so if he created someone smart enough to use embrio's to heal and treat such devistateing diseases.... [/ QUOTE ] Created in his image, but not to play God. [/ QUOTE ] I cant comment on the stem cell research, i gotta admitt i never payed enough attention to understand any of it.But I gotta point out something thats painfully obvious here.Some of you guys seem to pick and choose when people "playing god " is a good thing and then you switch it around depending on the circumstances. Creating an embryo and killing it you call playing God and label it a bad thing. Awhile back when all the crap was in the news about Terry Schiavo or whatever her name was the same people were calling it murder to take her off life support.By putting a feeding tube in and keeping her alive for 15 years artificially werent we playing God then?Without interference by humans she would have died long before that.How is it that Playing God only applies when it fits your agenda? It happens in the medical field every day, doctors make decisions that mean life or death for thier patients instead of letting nature take its course.Im not trying to start an argument but if taking a life to heal is wrong what makes cases like that right where healing someone occurs that has no chance at a normal life?Seems to me you guts wanna have it both ways and use the same argument to justify both. [/ QUOTE ] If you use the argument that it was playing God to keep Terry alive, then you would have to feel that any medical intervention, or even medicines would be playing God. Really, truely, do you not see the difference in ending a life, and trying to keep a life going? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research That was my whole point.I see the difference but they are both playing God.Any intervention that affects a human life is Playing God, weather its for the good or bad.They said pulling the feeding tube on her was playing God, but wasnt inserting it in the first place? My only point was its a two way street, using it to justify one thing and to condemn something else is kinda hypocritical if you thnk about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research Guess in the name of science and saving lives "playing God" is a good and bad thing. Prolonging lives that might end naturally by use of scientific experimentation and use of medical intervention and technology whether we like it or not is to some degree like "playing God". I think we can all agree that having the ability to help people in need is a good thing, however at what point does the line have to be drawn. When it is your kid in need of science and they think embryonic stem cell research might help that child, I could see where you might be all for it, but then again, can see where others might be against it. Guess until it hits home we dont know how we as individuals would deal with it. Guess in that respect I have kind of mixed thoughts on this topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hunter480 Posted September 18, 2005 Report Share Posted September 18, 2005 Re: Stem Cell Research [ QUOTE ] Guess in the name of science and saving lives "playing God" is a good and bad thing. Prolonging lives that might end naturally by use of scientific experimentation and use of medical intervention and technology whether we like it or not is to some degree like "playing God". I think we can all agree that having the ability to help people in need is a good thing, however at what point does the line have to be drawn. When it is your kid in need of science and they think embryonic stem cell research might help that child, I could see where you might be all for it, but then again, can see where others might be against it. Guess until it hits home we dont know how we as individuals would deal with it. Guess in that respect I have kind of mixed thoughts on this topic. [/ QUOTE ] The last thing I`ll say about that is, situations don`t dictate right or wrong. Something is either one or the other. Everyone has the right to believe for themselves what is right or wrong, but it`s so important for the laws of the land to get it right. Ending a human life is wrong regardless of what any majority may say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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