Guest lostiniowa Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 I cannot understand anything he has done? The war? No child left behind ( i am a teacher it really makes no sense) the releif effort, the supposed tax cut, all the money that he is cutting for education. I just really don't see how we are better of in anyway shape or form. Unless you own oil?? please pm me and enlighten me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Why PM? You created a thread so why do we have to reply in PM's to you. You worried you might lose an argument Another Dem STILL crying. You a teacher up here in MASS? You sure do sound like it. Most teachers up here are die hard liberals..at least both my boys teachers are. Typical Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? I think I'll just sit back, relax, and watch this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? How much rope do I have Steve ...I know I have some inches but can I get a mile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? OK - I'll try. The war: First, they started it. Second, we're winning it. Third, we're doing it to help prevent another 9/11 or worse type attack on US civilians. No child/education funding "cuts": Fact - According to the Education Commission for the States education spending on a per student basis, even when adjusted for inflation, has increased in every state except Alaska (not sure why it didn't increase there) every year over the past 25 years. The 6 years of Bush have been no different. If there are deficiences in the system, perhaps we should look somewhere besides the Federal Government for answers. Tax cuts: These were/are necessary to stimulate a sluggish economy that resulted from the dot com bust and the attacks of 9/11. They have also increased revenue to the Treasury by broadening the tax base and getting more people on the tax roles and fewer people living off of taxes (welfare). So how am I better off? Well, I live in relative safety in a free country where I'm only limited by my own abilities and my own ambitions. No, I don't own any oil wells or oil production companies, but I do have stock in several mutual funds that are benefitting from higher oil prices. Of course that opportunity is available to anyone who wishes to take advantage of it. Hope this helps... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut_Buster Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? I just started to disapprove of bush. After the huricane I think it was clear the the Gov has done absolutely nothing to respond to a major crisis. Second reason is because he put too much religon in politics. I couldn't care less as how he interprets the bible. Stem Cell Research at all forms needs to be persued. It would be great to see troops, police, and even everyday people be heald from wounds and possibly terrible diseases. Next, the no child left behind act is worthless. Why should the schools be held responsible. If a kid wants to work in a factory so be it. Not every kid is gonna go to college and make 90k a year. Not everyone is cut out to learn calculus, english, and chemistry, and it dosen't end the the classroom or with the teacher. Teachers can be jerks if they want, tell the kids and their parents to pull up their skirts and deal with it, because if they have a job where he boss is a jerk they may have to learn to deal with it. Kids (like I did) have to spend time outside of school learning and studying in order to succeed. Also with the no child left behind act they count the mentally challenged in on the composite score which in an elementary school like the one i went to. It would probily fail because we had all the special needs kids in the building from the whole district. They were in our classes for maybe once a week, but they still get scord as equal. Next is abortion. I'm against it to a point. late term abortion is wrong, but the morning after pill, and within a few monts is ok with me. I hope one of your right wing peoples daughters gets knocked up and (any more comments like that, and you'll be looking for a new forum ...by buckee ) because she couldn't handle the baby. Its time for you to wake up and realize kids (me included) don't wait till marriage. So you can spoon feed the bible but as proved over an over agian with some exceptions kids don't wait period, the rest wasn't necessary (see comment above) .Some things I agree on. Iraq, anti-litigaion, and tax cuts for industry. This post was edited because of your immaturity in expressing yourself and because of your lewd and careless speech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Whew...I'm not even going to touch stem cell research or abortion today, but the No Child Left Behind Act (NCBL) is a good first step. First off, as Texan pointed out, we are spending more on education than ever. By "cuts" the liberals are talking about not increasing spending as much as we have in the past. Strut_Buster, I'd have to question your premise. You referred to the aptitude of students. You're absolutely right--some don't have aptitude for calculus, english, or chemistry. However, NCBL is about OPPORTUNITY. If you take two students of equal intelligence and aptitude--and put one in MPS and another in (for example) in Marshfield or Eau Claire or Brookfield schools, who will have the better opportunity? It's a no-brainer. You're right, not eveyone has an opportunity to make a ton of money, but high school offers basic skills that most need to make a living--whether it's to go on and get a Ph.D. in astrophysics or mow lawns for the county. If we don't give people the opportunity to make a decent wage working honestly and within the system, they become drains on the system. Criminals, thugs, bums, whatever you call them. What NCBL does is penalize schools that don't improve, regardless of composition of the school. It's not a matter of having mentally retarded kids in a school--that wouldn't even be a factor. It addresses the fact that for years and years we've been trying to solve the problem by throwing money at it without any accountability. And look where it's gotten us? I heard on the radio that only 36% of high school freshman at Milwaukee Public Schools graduate. A 54% dropout rate! I think there are two huge problems in education. The first doesn't even tie in to funding at all--it's apathetic parents. The best teachers and best school really don't mean squat if the kid's not getting reinforcement at home. The other threat is teachers' unions. In Wisconsin, they're terrible--and particularly so in Milwaukee. They whine about not being paid enough--which is bull. They make more (especially with their benefits) than most with a four-year degree. Their insurance? Very very low, if any deductibles and co-pays. Vacation? Three months a year--plus a week here and there throughout the school year. Job security? They could do anything short of molesting or killing someone and they'll have a job forever at MPS. NCLB and accountability....I think it's great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 19, 2005 Report Share Posted September 19, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? I just found another interesting statistic on education spending. Seems that the expenditures for "special needs" students has increased dramatically over the past decade or so. Those are dollars that had traditionaly been allocated to "regular" students. Don't get me wrong now guys, I'm not saying this is good or bad, just letting you know that it's happening. If anyone wants to debate the right or wrong of it, I suggest starting a new thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? [ QUOTE ] I hope one of your right wing peoples daughters gets knocked up and (any more comments like that, and you'll be looking for a new forum ...by buckee ) because she couldn't handle the baby. Its time for you to wake up and realize kids (me included) don't wait till marriage. So you can spoon feed the bible but as proved over an over agian with some exceptions kids don't wait period, the rest wasn't necessary (see comment above) .Some things I agree on. Iraq, anti-litigaion, and tax cuts for industry. [/ QUOTE ] Its time for you to wake up and realize kids (you included) are part of the problem, not the solution. Why don't you consider being part of the solution instead of part of the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLH Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? I get real tired of hearing how the government is not helping those affected by Katrina. The Federal Gov't issued a state of emergency BEFORE the disaster, which is the first time ever. Bush also alotted tens of BILLIONS of dollars to relief efforts. And who do you think those working to rescue/help those unfortunate people are working for, the government. The government here in NC is sending fire departments (including my dept) and electrical departments to help, last time I checked they/we work for the government. This is just a fraction of the help that the government is providing. If you think the government isn't doing enough to help, you need to take a step back and look again! IMO, Bush, and all others, are doing a fantastic job in the recovery effort. Two states were completey destroyed, it is going to take a long time to rebuild, and so far lots of progress has occurred. If in your opinion (everyone's is different I know) Bush or anyone else isn't doing enough, then quit complaing and start helping. Until you are on the working end of the situation, IMO you have no room to complain. To those already helping, despite some people's opinions, you are greatly appreciated and I look foward to joining you in the spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? [ QUOTE ] Why PM? You created a thread so why do we have to reply in PM's to you. You worried you might lose an argument Another Dem STILL crying. You a teacher up here in MASS? You sure do sound like it. Most teachers up here are die hard liberals..at least both my boys teachers are. Typical [/ QUOTE ] Hey! Every other LIB and DEM are jumping on the band wagon to point the finger at Bush for mistakes that were out of his control. I even heard kerry on the TV tonite saying Bush never did a thing to help out the victums of Katrina! Bunch of BULL if you ask me! The DEM governer of that state refused help even before the hurricane even hit! It was only after they were screaming for help! Just another finger pointer! Typical LIB and DEM thinking of political gain while the rest is trying to help recover and rebuild! Come Mike you know EVERYTHING IS BUSH'S FAULT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Kind of hard to add anything to what Texan has posted here, think he summed it up quite well. Think there are far too many misinformed or misled people out there who are too quick to jump on the bandwagon bashing Bush for no more reason than it being a popular thing to do. Dont know about everyone else, but the tax cuts that helped only the rich according to Kerry, helped us out. We are far from being rich. Education on a local and state level should be held accountable, and here there are some serious problems. No child left behind does have some issues in this state, as the dem governor has twisted things around in his efforts to make certain all 4 year olds are offered state funded daycare, I mean preschool. Thing is only those who are of low income(mostly not working) levels children qualify to take advantage of the preschool that was promised to every 4 year old in Tennessee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Hey Buckee, how did you manage to reply to me while quoting someone else? Must be magic! Seriously though, everyone please take note that I DID NOT say those things that Buckee was (rightly) upset about. I wouldn't want that sort of speech associated with me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? I am a republican I am just very a upset with bush and his cronies. also texan till i die you said "So how am I better off? Well, I live in relative safety in a free country where I'm only limited by my own abilities and my own ambitions." you could have said that 6 years ago. and if any of you defend NCLB as it stands no you are extrememly misinformed to put it nicely. I teach in an inner city school and they honestly compare us to a private school here in the city. They expect us to have 100% of our students reading, writing, and doing math on grade level. That alone is obsurd. I guess I should not complain about it, it will change drastically from its current form when we get a real president. Not on that rides on his daddy and buys a ranch and throws a few cattle on it so people think he is a real texan. He is the farthest thing from a real TEXAN! So someone please tell me how they are better off than they were 6 years ago. We were probably safer then. We just pick fights with whoever we want know. We are like that bully in the lunch room. Also texan til i die Iraq started nothing most of the 9/11 hijakers were saudis but bush is in bed with them and their oil so we left them alone. Although I do agree he was a horrible horrible man. No hard feelings good luck this season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Also why are 99% of NRA members rebulican. Dems do not want to take our guns away they just don't think we should hund deer will m16 and frankly i dont either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deerslayer06 Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? BUSH IS THE MAN! IF YOU DONT LIKE IT....GET OUT OF THE COUNTRY FOLKS. . he is OUR president. thank god for bush! kerry couldnt of handled this kind of stuff like G.W.B does! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? what STUFF doew W do?? I hate to get into it but I have a real problem with you saying he is the man. I can support the US without be partial to W. Answer my question How are you better than you were 6 years ago. Also I think the problem is we are having to choose the best of the worst. With all the media and background digging no worthwile candidates will run why sould you, you can make more money and stay out of the spotlight in some other capacity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? [ QUOTE ] Hey Buckee, how did you manage to reply to me while quoting someone else? Must be magic! Seriously though, everyone please take note that I DID NOT say those things that Buckee was (rightly) upset about. I wouldn't want that sort of speech associated with me! [/ QUOTE ] Heck, I always just click on the last person to reply in a thread to make a post. It wasn't directed at you...honestLOL I never pay attention to that "re: whoever" up top, because most folks do the same thing I do, and just click "reply" on the last post. Maybe I should pay more attention to which post I click "reply" on, when I make a reply to someone next time eh Sorry about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? [ QUOTE ] Answer my question How are you better than you were 6 years ago. [/ QUOTE ] If you insist... 6 years ago our President was an adulterous liar who was impeached by the US House of Representatives, found guilty of perjury by a court of law and barred from practicing law in his home state of Arkansas. This nation was viewed as nothing more than a free meal ticket by most of the international community and we had a big fat bulls eye painted on us by every would be terrorist in the Middle East. My pride, but fortunately not my patriotism, was at an all time low. Then came the elections of 2000. George W. Bush won and was sworn in as the 43rd President in January of 2001. On September 11, 2001 this nation came under an attack by a group of people from the Middle East claiming to have a religious mandate to kill all Americans. That's when I saw a city, a state, and a nation rise up and say "No! We will not surrender to those who would strip us of our freedom, our liberty, and our way of life! We will not live in fear and we will not tolerate those who would give aid to our enemies." At the head of that nation was a President that I once again could admire and respect. My pride in this great nation has been restored and I'm also proud to call President Bush my friend and neighbor!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leatherneck Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Amen Texan very well said!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? [ QUOTE ] I teach in an inner city school and they honestly compare us to a private school here in the city. They expect us to have 100% of our students reading, writing, and doing math on grade level. That alone is obsurd. [/ QUOTE ] I don't think it's absurd at all. If we don't expect and demand excellence from our students, they will never achieve excellence. On a more personal note. I'm curious about your background. What grades and subjects do you teach? What is your own educational level and in what subject(s) did you major? If you would be willing to share that information with us, it might help us gain a better understanding of your perspective. BTW - I'm a product of the public education system and I consider myself as well versed as those from the private schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? Well said Texan And yes...I was replying to you this time...LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? I have a double major health and physical education and American History. I also have my mastors in administration. I come from a public school in oklahoma and I know teach in an inner city school. I admit Clinton was a bad person and husband but he was a good president. Look at the economy and the national surplus that he built. I do not think that the two go together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 20, 2005 Report Share Posted September 20, 2005 Re: Help me understand Bush? thanks for the discussion I have to go lunch is over se you tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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