wtnhunt Posted September 25, 2005 Report Share Posted September 25, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] I agree with you Racksie on all but one thing. Abortion is murder and the death penalty is no different. [/ QUOTE ] Actually it is quite different. The death penalty is taking the life of a being worthless to society who has been proven guilty by a jury beyond reasonable doubt of a crime that has taken or destroyed the life or lives of others. Abortion is killing an innocent child. Tell me how anyone could confuse these as not being any different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. wow, racksie. wish i were smart enough to say that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. Ditto me with what JohnF said............Did'nt the Democratic party at one time consist of hard working blue collar conservatives? Seems like the Democrates have taken on a different image from what they started out as. Where and why did their veiwpoints start to become so liberal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] 3. Gun control. A lot of my hunting buddies are republican for this reason " the democrats want gun control. They want to take my guns away. Nothing could be further from the truth. [/ QUOTE ] WOW!!! Where should I start!!! Everyone listed below would love to do nothing more than to remove your right to own and have firearms! Clintons Schumer Feinstine Kenedy Kerry McCarthy Ect., Ect., Ect., Oh, and the other 90% Dems that dont hunt! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Schmeck Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. If I could find a Democrat like Zell Miller to vote for I'd consider voting for him. 'Nuff said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 26, 2005 Report Share Posted September 26, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. hey wtnhunt are you a religious man? we need to be carefull when we are playing god taking a life at anytime. Even if we feel it is deserved or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] hey wtnhunt are you a religious man? we need to be carefull when we are playing god taking a life at anytime. Even if we feel it is deserved or not. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see putting down a wild dog or cat much different then exicuting a criminal who has absolutely no remorse about the murders and rapes they commit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] hey wtnhunt are you a religious man? we need to be carefull when we are playing god taking a life at anytime. Even if we feel it is deserved or not. [/ QUOTE ] How does my opinion on dealing with murderers and utilizing the death penalty to remove them from possibly ever harming any other innocent lives make me "playing God". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] hey wtnhunt are you a religious man? we need to be carefull when we are playing god taking a life at anytime. Even if we feel it is deserved or not. [/ QUOTE ] Governments have the authority of God to carry out the death penalty. From Romans 13:3-4 3For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4For he is God's servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. There is no hypocrisy in a Christian supporting the death penalty, keeping in mind that it is not meant to be a deterrent (though in my opinion it wouldn't a bad thing) as punishment for cutting short one's life under grace--and in some cases prematurely denying them the opportunity to be saved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. what church do you belong to ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaCoyote Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] Voting for a person just because they are in the party that you like is stupid anyway. I vote off of who I like and who I think has the better views and who is going to run this country good. In the case of GWB, he had better views on a lot of things than Kerry had. Kerry wouldn't of been able to run this country any better, I'll tell you that. [/ QUOTE ] That always sounds nice but it's wrong. If you vote for a dem or rebulican for pres, he/she will fill the cabinate and judicial appointments with like minded people. So your getting more than just a president your trying to vote for the party with the same core values as you, or trying to get close anyways. You want to advance your values and agendas. This can't be done effectively by switching all of the time. Heck, look at Kerry. All he did was flip back and forth. You want the house and senate to have people with your views too. If your a conservative and vote for a dem for whatever reason to the senate it would be counterproductive. You've just cancelled yourself out. You need a majority in the house and senate to get things accomplished so WHY on earth would you switch lines? Take the Dole race for an example. Nobody wanted to vote for him because he didn't look as good as Der Schlickmeister. He's mean, he's old. etc. etc. If people would vote for the phylosiphy and not so much worry about the way someone looks things would be accomplished a little qicker. Women are really bad about this type of behavior. Your in the marines so look at it this way. If you were to vote dem, your budget would be cut. Thats just a fact. Republicans would be way less likely to cut military spending. What does that mean to you? Less training, less to research and developement. These are what the military HAS to have in order to stay effective. When Der Schlickmeister came to office, he said he was going to slash Fed spending. We all had this pipe dream that he'd thin the fat in all of the fed programs and what not. Well he did slash spending, but guess how? He cut the armed forces back by about a third and closed a bunch of bases. Do not get sucked into the idea that it's ever good to flip around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. why do people continue to say they will take our guns? Remeber "right to bear arms" We will always have guns but do we really need to be able to buy a machine gun? I hunt anything you can name and I do not need a machine gun. Maybe I'm a better shot than you guys (just kidding) even if you are a repub you have to admit bush is a moron! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. get the popcorn poppin'............................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. actually more people voted for Gore in the first election. Although I admit he would have been bad, just better than W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaCoyote Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. hey lostiniowa. Machine guns are already illegal, so that just a silly arguement, it makes no sense. Gun control IS a democratic platform. Plain and simple. For that matter what did the assault weapons ban really accomplish? Please tell me what it did to make the streets safer! It did nothing. Nada! Zero! It was all a bunch of B.S. so ignorant dems "feel safer". Because that what liberalism is. It's all about how you "feel". I could still buy an AK if I wanted to. I could still buy a AR if I wanted to. The "legal" AR's that were made post ban didn't have a flash suppressor, a handle, and only had a 10 round mag. So I guess this gun wont kill? It's all smoke and mirrors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. Ok, the original question was “why am I a Republican?” Because I’m a Conservative and not a Socialist. Because there isn’t anyone at the forefront in the Libertarian Party yet. Because I believe that what I earn should be what I keep and that any money given to charity, welfare or any other social program should be my choice and not someone elses. Because I don’t believe that government should control it’s citizens, I believe it’s citizens should control the government. Because I believe capital punishment is a necessity and prison reform is a waste of time. Because I don’t like the idea of socialized medicine, housing or any other form of governmental handouts at the expense of citizens. That’s just a few of the reasons. So we can’t bash democrats? Ok fine, take all the fun out of it but you never said anything about bashing your ideas so here goes. Money = Greed? I don’t think so, it separates those that have and the have nots. It is a bargaining tool that every American is afforded and just because some choose to bargain with it and win does not mean they are greedy, it’s called Capitalism and the back bone of this countries economic system is based off it. If you have a better idea that will create more jobs and give more people an opportunity to succeed then lets hear it. But to this point no one has come close. Abortion – I don’t give a rats behind what you think about it. In the end, you are accountable for yourself and your decisions. A liberal will meet his maker and proclaim that a politian said it was ok, a conservative will more than likely meet his maker and take responsibility for what they believe in. Gun Control/Machine Guns – My favorite topic. You can always tell when you’re talking to a more liberal minded person than a conservative when it comes to gun control. The liberals will always bring out the machine guns, M1-tanks, submarines, nukes etc etc etc. Ok so you don’t hunt with a machine gun, neither do I. But why can’t I own one if I want? I’ve never had a speeding ticket much less broke the law to the point of committing a felony. I’ve paid my taxes religiously, I’ve taken a role in the community and tried to serve it to the best of my ability, who are you or anyone else to govern me to the point that you are infringing upon my constitutional rights? The 2nd Amendment states you have the right to bear arms NOT you have the right to bear only those arms that the government deems appropriate. And to take this a little further, why can’t I own a submarine or a M1 Tank? Merely because I can’t afford one but honestly, why can’t I own one or two if I were financially able? Can you give me one reason why I shouldn’t be able to own one? Lostiniowa said [ QUOTE ] because I know that the narrow minded people I have been talking to can not represent all of the republicans. [/ QUOTE ] You’ve looked upon Republicans with 3 examples and so far the Repbulicans have countered with a lot more than that. Seems you may be mistaken or a little narrow-minded yourself. Lostiniowa said [ QUOTE ] even if you’re a repub you have to admit bush is a moron! [/ QUOTE ] No I don’t have to admit President Bush is a moron – could you be just a little more specific? I will however confess that LBJ, Carter and Clinton were morons. Now after that’s said, it’s only personal opinions which shouldn’t be addressed in this thread. I could care less what you think about this President or any other President, it is insignificant and should be left to one’s on self. If you want to address any one of a number of subject and debate that subject then I’m all for it. Lostiniowa said [ QUOTE ] actually more people voted for Gore in the first election. [/ QUOTE ] It’s called the Electorial College and it’s basis was founded some 175 years ago and has worked pretty well since – get over it. Anyone that believes that 4 states should be able to control an election is out of their minds or a liberal. The college was founded just for that reason and for that reason it’s been working just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] Lostiniowa said Quote: actually more people voted for Gore in the first election. It’s called the Electorial College and it’s basis was founded some 175 years ago and has worked pretty well since – get over it. Anyone that believes that 4 states should be able to control an election is out of their minds or a liberal. The college was founded just for that reason and for that reason it’s been working just fine. [/ QUOTE ] And if we're talking about a popular vote, I would add one more thing. President Bush got more votes in the 2004 election than ANY previous President! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] why do people continue to say they will take our guns? Remeber "right to bear arms" We will always have guns but do we really need to be able to buy a machine gun? I hunt anything you can name and I do not need a machine gun. Maybe I'm a better shot than you guys (just kidding) even if you are a repub you have to admit bush is a moron! [/ QUOTE ] If you look at the intent of the second amendment, it had nothing to do with hunting or shooting for sport. It was to give "the people" the ability to over throw a corrupt government. Reading the 2nd amendment as it was intended leads me to the conclusion that the founding fathers wanted me, a law abiding person, the right to own and use any firearm that I feel like I need, including M16's or 50 MM or any other gun that GI Joe can carry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] why do people continue to say they will take our guns? Remeber "right to bear arms" We will always have guns but do we really need to be able to buy a machine gun? I hunt anything you can name and I do not need a machine gun. Maybe I'm a better shot than you guys (just kidding) even if you are a repub you have to admit bush is a moron! [/ QUOTE ] Some pretty poorly informed comments there. First of all I do not think anyone in here hunts with a machine gun. Second of all our rights will be taken away if people do not acknowledge that there is the potential for that. Ignoring a problem never makes it go away. Democratic party leaders are generally all for gun control. Gun control as seen in other countries leads to gun removal. If you dont think it can happen here, you are being kind of naive. As for single shots, I hunt with a bolt action rifle, and you may very well be a better shot than I am, but of all the deer I have killed, I have had two I took a follow up shot on, and they probably were not even needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] why do people continue to say they will take our guns? Remeber "right to bear arms" We will always have guns but do we really need to be able to buy a machine gun? I hunt anything you can name and I do not need a machine gun. Maybe I'm a better shot than you guys (just kidding) even if you are a repub you have to admit bush is a moron! [/ QUOTE ] Most dems and libs know, that they just cant take them all at once! So they pick, pick, and pick some more until they get what they want! I have no need for a machine gun, but I have shot them already, and they are fun to play with! All you dems and libs ever see outside the USA? Ever see what happened to England or Austrailia? They are so restricted it is not even funny! You all need to open your eyes too see what the over-all picture is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. You ask.... [ QUOTE ] Do not bash democrats. [/ QUOTE ] But, you can say.... [ QUOTE ] you have to admit bush is a moron! [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. I just said that in response that was not a bash on republicans as a whole that was a bash on Mr. W. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] I just said that in response that was not a bash on republicans as a whole that was a bash on Mr. W. [/ QUOTE ] LOL! This will get you far in here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. [ QUOTE ] I just said that in response that was not a bash on republicans as a whole that was a bash on Mr. W. [/ QUOTE ] And you have every right to openly bash any President you want - that's afforded to you by the constitution but you also have to recognize that when you open your mouth, not everyone is going to agree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 Re: An honest question for Republicans. I agree lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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