JimT Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 I think your right...He was ahead of his time. I think the new short mag craze is hot because it is "new", and the gun makers are really pushing them hard. I probably wont ever buy one,,,no need for one here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: No Credit I personally can get WSM or WSSM factory ammo easier than Weatherby Mag ammo. My guess would be your limited in what gun you can buy with Weatherby mags. were as alot of company's make rifles in the others. Really don't know the answer...just seems the Win mags and the SAUM are more popular. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ronin Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: No Credit I really like the wssm's. They shoot real nice and the recoil seems far more comfortable. Actions are shorter as is the throw of the bolt. I think the guns are also lighter. I prefer them over their full length cartridge cousins. BTW, twodogs, where are the stw pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: No Credit I have a .300 WSM and I love it, I use to use a .300 Win Mag, but I was getting a new gun and wanted to get a short mag. Ballistically they're almost identical, the wsm actually has a little bit more than the Win Mag. There's not nearly as much recoil as the Win Mag, and it doesn't seem to be as loud as the win mag. I'd definetly try one of the super short mags in the future. Overall, I'm really impressed with the new short mag cartriges. Sure, they just came out and its a big craze, but I'm thinkin' that they'll be around for a long time and become more and more popular. Just my 2 cents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted September 22, 2005 Report Share Posted September 22, 2005 Re: No Credit [ QUOTE ] AJ why are there no weatherby, dakota, ot jarrett calibers in your bullet of the week thing or the comparison? Just wondering. [/ QUOTE ] Look again, the 300 Weatherby is there. Why are the others not there? I didn't feel like doing them. I went with popular commercial rounds. Jarrett is just a Gibbs, that been around longer than Kenny Jarrett. Roy Weatherby was the pioneer into super high velocity (for the day) cartridges. Although, his 224 Wby was a flop and is outperformed by the 22-250 though. The 240 Wby was equalled by reloaders with a 6mm-06 wildcat, and it did not have the stupid belt. Why pick a WSM over a Wby? The attraction of the short cartridges is it can use a short action. The short actions are stiffer than the long or magnum actions that are required to feed long magnums. The short and fat (relatively new tech) cartridges have been proven to be a more consistent performer than the longer case (old tech) cartridges. They are more efficient, have a more consistent burn, and have the better interior ballistics. Weatherby's cartridges, are a tad bit of hype. There are not too many that produce the actual claimed velocity when using factory ammo. Weatherby used freebore to keep the pressures managable but that is not knowd for best accuracy. I played with a custom gun using a standard 300 Wby chamber and then loped a little off the end and re-chambered with a short throat and got much better accuracy. The load data changed though as the lack of freebore made pressures rise faster. Now, with all the math aside, will the 300 Weatherby kill a ____ (fill in the blank of your favorite critter) any deader than the WSM will? Of course not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ronin Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: No Credit I agree! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: No Credit Correction T-bird, Remington had the first short mag. They did not put it on the market fast enough due to the fact they were still testing and were wanting to wait. Winchester came along and developed one that hit the market right away. If you compare the two .300 shorties , the Remington actually out performs the Winchester. The fact that Winchester did not drag thier feet got them all the publicity, Remington should have put their cartridge on the market first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: No Credit [ QUOTE ] Weatherby's are sub minuite of angle rifles, can you buy a remington or browning that will shoot SMOA groups out of the box, with no custom work? [/ QUOTE ] Actually thats not totally true. Weatherby's spec is 1.5 MOA or better with 3 shots of their ammo. I can get just about any rifle to do that. Most bolt guns will do that out of the box and can hold 1 MOA with a little tweaking and thats for 5 shots. Yes I have a few guns that shot sub MOA out of the box with no custom work, and they were not $1200. The Savage will hang with any mass produced gun in performance. In looks, they fall behind, but in actual performance, they can hold their own. Just this year, Weatherby has started the SUB-MOA gurantee, that says you get a gun that shoots 0.99" or better at 100 yards for 3 shots. Their best bang for the buck is the Vanguard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: No Credit [ QUOTE ] Back to my question. How does the .257 wby stack up to it's closest competetion? [/ QUOTE ] It has somewhat more capability than a 25-06..........but if you have a 26" barrel on your 25-06 like is on the Weatherby, you begin to split hairs. For the difference in ammo cost, IMHO, the 25-06 gets the nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted September 23, 2005 Report Share Posted September 23, 2005 Re: No Credit [ QUOTE ] Will my mark V lasermark deluxe .257 shoot 1.0 or better moa? if not how do I get it there? [/ QUOTE ] Who knows? Just because it has Weatherby on it does not mean it will be a superb shooter. I have owned Weatherby guns and I was not impressed. For the price, I can do better with others. But thats off the subject. Look at your test target that came with the gun. How big is the group? That will be one give away of how it will shoot. My Wby like most other rifles, responded best to floating the barrel and doing a bedding job. With that, it would shoot about 3/4" for 5 shot groups. Which is very good for a big game gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ronin Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Re: No Credit Yes you can. Better yet and cheaper still, try a savage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexasDeerHunter Posted September 24, 2005 Report Share Posted September 24, 2005 Re: No Credit Answer to the original question. I agree with ya twodogs that Mr. Weatherby was ahead of his time and that is most likely the reason his cartridges were as popular. And now days there are so many out there that his no longer stand out as better performers. I think your gun and caliber can hold their own with most of the stuff out there now. You might try floating the barrel as mentioned earlier, I have taken rifles and releived the stock some and resealed it without a true bed job and they shoot less than 1in groups at 100yds. Sometimes just a little goes along way for accuracy, I have even just tightned screws and found that to better the accuracy. I always take any rifle I buy and strip it down and check every little thing about it before I shoot. Good Luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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