need2hunt Posted October 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Howdy, I'll give you the short version, If you want the longer version you'll have to read my journal (once I get it started LOL) Got in camp Friday night watched a 140+ class buck in the alfalfa field. Saw nothing Saturday morning, I saw 4 does Sat evening but wind was all wrong, Sue saw 5 does and got a shot but went low and only got a few white hairs. Sunday morning I saw 5 but no where close to me, Sue saw nothing. Sunday night I had fog roll in and couldn't see 20 yards which might be why i saw nothing, Sue saw 15 and shot a big doe, must have hit her a little high as we didn't get blood until approx 50 yards from where she shot her. When we did get blood it was bright red and plenty of it, followed it approx 100 yards and it disapeared - looke until 1:30 in the morning and then from 7 am till 1 pm never found it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 [ QUOTE ] Sue saw 15 and shot a big doe, must have hit her a little high as we didn't get blood until approx 50 yards from where she shot her. When we did get blood it was bright red and plenty of it, followed it approx 100 yards and it disapeared - looke until 1:30 in the morning and then from 7 am till 1 pm never found it. [/ QUOTE ] Man this sound like an exact senario I just went through.......I even contacted someone who had tracking dogs that same night and we tracked for hours, but never found my doe either...... Gary your more experienced at this bow stuff than I can you explain this lack of blood, with these a little high behind the shoulder shots,,,or is it a mystery to you as well...???? This has had me to a point where I was seriuosly thinking of giving up bow hunting...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 [ QUOTE ] can you explain this lack of blood, with these a little high behind the shoulder shots [/ QUOTE ] I can explain the initial lack of blood... we had a hard time picking up the initial blood trail, fact is it didn't START until 50 yards from where the deer was shot. Then throw in the factor that we know that she had no exit wound. When shooting out of a stand your exit wound is normally lower on the body than the entry. The bleeding isn't alway instant on the outside but is on the inside, the blood has to fill up inside the chest cavity to the point of the lowest wound to start getting a good blood trail. if she had an exit wound I would have expected some splatter on impact and then picking up at least a few drops in the first 10 yards and progressing to a good trail within 20 yards. With no exit wound I get no initial splatter on impact, and have to wait for the cavity to fill up to the higher entry wound that was a little high to begin with. Also factor in that this doe kept the arrow in her, further blocking blood flow. Typically when you trail a deer with the arrow still in it you'll come to a point in the trail that the blood just gushes out, that usually means it broke the arrow off or pulled the arrow out, look around to see if you can find your arrow or parts of it and expect to find your deer within 20 yards or so. What I can't explain is the abruptness of losing the blood trail... we followed good blood for 100 yards (equals 150 yards from where it was shot). I've followed some pretty sketchy blood trails over the years and I'm talking a pin prick of blood every 15-20 yards. This blood trail was one of the better ones I'ld followed, it was like someone walking with a dripping paintbrush, and when I saw it I had absolutely no doubts that we were going to find that deer. We got to a point where the deer entered a path into the woods, we could tell 2 things, 1 it slowed down as we were finding puddles of blood and 2 it was starting to stagger. The deer then started down hill along a cut path, blood stayed consistant, never slowed down and then stopped without warning. It stopped at one of the worst spots when tracking, at a fork in the path it was following. We marked last blood and checked both paths, nothing. there was a deep dried creek bed that ran completely around the base of the hill we were on, we walked that and found no deer and no trace of the deer getting down and up out of that creek bed. We went back to last blood and started circling trying to pick up some sign, nothing. When blood stops like that I spend a good deal of time on my hands and knees looking for blood, couldn't find a thing. My past experience has been that when the blood stops like that it means that the deer makes a sudden change of direction and beds down in the thickest ugliest mess it can find within approx 40 yards lots of times only 10 yards from the stop of the trail, either it didn't happen this time or we missed it in the dark, then in the light and then when we brought the dogs out to check for it. Also when the blood stops like that take the time to backtrack the blood trail to see if the deer backtracked up the same path and went a different direction. In all my years I have NEVER had such a good trail end like this, it was like someone laid out a plastic sheet for her to die on and then wrapped her up and hauled her away. I have personally only lost 3 deer in my lifetime, 2 of which were my fault on bad shots (1 shotgun, 1 bow), one was due to a sudden downpour that washed everything away. Sue's deer would be #4 as I'll take some responsibility in it, but it's the first one that I have absolutely no idea why the blood stopped . LAst thing I'll say is I shoot G5 montecs, I will be starting to test some other heads out as I have not been happy with the blood trail I've gotten with them. I love everything else about them but have heard that others have had the same problem and then again some people haven't, but it's something I'll test to see if that might be one of the issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Thanks for the explanation or atleast what you could explain. Man this sounds all to familiar,,,, My shot was from an elevated stand position out to what I thought to be 40 yrds ( too far for the shot ?? ) maybe so I'll take fault for that.... but to me it seemed to be a fatal shot,,, but this obviously was not the case.... We found the shaft with the intial search but the broadhead had somehow come unscrewed and was still missing (guesing it was still in her ) This is my second year of archery, I have been second guessing every move I made that evening, until I read your post...... Doe's it make me feel any better ?? NOPE but I do now see this happens....I feel for you and your wife becuase I know exactly how you both ( especially her ) feel about loosing a deer even after you have expendened every resource trying to find her.... Loosing my deer has really played with my head this is the very first deer I've ever lost and Im totally sick about it..... I've taken some time off from bow hunting just to settle myself down and relax... Your story has helped with some questions I've had and I thank you for that.....I hope this hasn't affected your wife as it has with me...... Good luck to her and you with the rest of your hunting season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 sorry to hear that. I have been hunting since I was 13 and can remember both deer I have lost as well. One was last year on a poor bow shot and rain washed it out, and one was a muzzleloader where I shot a doe, she dropped, then I reloaded looked up and she was gone. Weird thing was she was in the middle of a field when she fell. Never found any sign, never found any blood. It is really frustrating when something like that happens, but sounds like this one was just a fluke. Keep hunting and I will update yall about my weekend on Tuesday or Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozarkgal Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 We need a name!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 [ QUOTE ] We need a name!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] We do ???..... What ever you good people come up with will be fine....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 [ QUOTE ] We need a name!!!!!!!! [/ QUOTE ] This is just an idea... How about "The Drop Tines" or "The Blood Trailers" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 sorry guys...that was my idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 How in the heck did you do that ????.... ,,,,That was suppose to be fixed by now... Nothing for you to be sorry about....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Well all, I'm off to get some lunch and then pack the truck up again. Be leaving tonight and hunting the weekend. Sue and I will argue the whole way down on who gets to hunt the one evening stand that has been so hot... I'm making sure I take my 2 sided quarter in case we need to flip for it I might be on here a little bit but most likely you won't see me until Monday - good luck everyone!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 GOOD LUCK Gary.....Hope you win that battle with the wife and nail a nice one..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 I don't have much time to post soooo... Good weekend as far as weather and hunting was concerned, I ended up missing 2 does (neither my fault mind you ) Saw plenty of deer, Sue got a glimps of a buck last night, couldn't see the rack but she said bodywise it's gotta be about 300 lbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 On the board. Got my first two bow kills this weekend and monday. I have picks and tags, but plan on increasing my score so...just letting y'all know thats 5 pts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Congrats....tyshe17......way to go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 congrats tyshe17!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Any one know anything about Roadkill10, BLH, and reflex-shooter? just wondering if everyone is plugged into this thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Roadkill is hunting with me... He's my son-in-law...But shhhhh! Don't tell anyone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 [ QUOTE ] Roadkill is hunting with me... He's my son-in-law...But shhhhh! Don't tell anyone... [/ QUOTE ] LOL.... Too late Griz, you just told everyone on the forums... OK,, I have regrouped after my first ever time loosing a deer.... and will be back at it this weekend with some new tatics, so hopefully something will coperate and I can get some points on the board for us as well.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 I'll be packing the truck in the morning for the last hunt on this one property for a while. Be hunting Saturday and Sunday I've got my misses out of the way for the year so I'll hopefully be slaying something this weekend. I told Sue that it's anything goes right now as the rest of my hunting season is uncertain and the freezer is empty so whatever walks within range is going to be in trouble. Good luck to everyone else this weekend, be safe. G Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 GOOD LUCK,,Gary hope something presents itself to ya and you nail it..... Be safe and have fun.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Good luck this weekend guys, I will be at "the trailer" in TN. Some good bucks on this land so maybe something will come through. Next weekend is the gun opener in GA and I will get to hunt saturday, so hopefully some horns are on the way...again good luck to all and be careful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 16, 2005 Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Well folks the weekend hunt got squashed by monsoon rains and high speed winds.... ,,, Hopefully this stuff dies down soon and I can get a few evening hunts in with the bow before rifle season starts....... I've got untill the end of the month to down a doe or I'll have to rely on a buck with atleast 2 or more points on one side to make a mistake and cross paths with my me and my rifle to put points on the board for us.....and in this state that's no easy task.... Sorry guy's,, but mother nature had other idea's planned for this weekend.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted October 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Well hunted the weeked with nothing to show from it, my excuse went from "just have to get them close enough" from the Saturday morning hunt where I had 5 does just out of bow range... to "just get them out of the brush" on Sunday night where i had a young 6 point at 7 yards but no shooting lane. oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griz Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Re: TEAM 25 Well team I went out Sunday morning. I got to the stand at 6:30am. I had a deer beding at the base of my stand. As I got closer to my stand it moved out about 5 yards from me and just stood there and watched me...The crazy thing never blew and finally just walked off... At 7:10am. I thought I would cast out some grunt calls. I hit the call 5 or 6 times. I saw something coming my way. Yep it was a big ole mature 10 point buck. He trotted with in 15 yards from me and stopped...On the backside of a tree... I couldn't even get a shot off. The way he was angling to me, if he would have taken 6 more steps I would have had a real nice buck down... The buck stood there a good while and then V'ed off. Keeping the trees between me and him... Well what can I say...It was so close, but yet so far away... Maybe nest time... Sunday evening wehen I went out, I had a bobcat come with in 3 yards of my stand... I have been hearing alot hogs in this area also. I bumped several going into my stand Sunday evening... All and all I had a blast... The temps here jumped back up into the 90's again it's suppose drop back down into the 70's by this week end. So I think I'm going to wait until then to back out... Just thought I would fill yall in... Good Luck to all... Griz... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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