LifeNRA Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Some companies have been firing employees for having legal firearms locked in their gloveboxes in parking lots or for having hunting firearms in locked in their vehicles. Should you give up your right of self-defense or you right to have a firearm in your vehicle for lawful purposes because anti-gun company administrators have been encouraged by the Brady Campaign to ban firearms in their parking lots? Below is the POLL LINK from the very anti-gun South Florida Sun-Sentinel: Republican lawmakers are proposing a bill that would give Floridians the right to keep guns locked in their vehicles while they're at work -- a practice now banned by many companies. Your opinion? http://www.nranews.org/UM/T.asp?A2.24.1899.1.4316595 Here for you Anti-NRA'ers Here is the real Poll link! The one above is a re-direct to the one below! http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-100305poll%2C0%2C7350068%2Cpost.poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! 97.3% I'm in favor it it. Companies should not be allowed to limit workers' constitutional right to bear arms. (3269 responses) 2.7% I'm opposed to it. Allowing people to have guns at work is dangerous. (91 responses) 3360 total responses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! Property rights vs. Guns Poll is at NRA....geez wonder how it will end up. I will not vote either way based on the wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] Property rights vs. Guns Poll is at NRA....geez wonder how it will end up. I will not vote either way based on the wording. [/ QUOTE ] No the poll is from the Sun Sentinel in Florida. Is this better? At least click the link to see where it goes before you make a decision! http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sfl-100305poll%2C0%2C7350068%2Cpost.poll Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! k But I still will not vote based on the wording. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] k But I still will not vote based on the wording. [/ QUOTE ] Sorry Nut! I still dont understand why? Where I work there is the same law. My company will not allow me to keep my shotgun in my truck. Locked up yet! I work 25 miles from my house. During certain seasons, I would love to be able to hunt after work, near where I work. But I cant. Besides, anything to do with the Brady's turns my stomach! JMO! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! How does it involve the Brady law? I thought is was just someone not allowing something on their property? Life... I am all for you but how many times have I heard some one say to me to get another job if I did not like what was involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! Its not the Brady law! The Brady organization is involed with. Now if I could just get that news letter back! GRRRRRRRRRRRR! I deleted it too fast! LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! Did not vote on that link. Maybe some companies are afraid of what has happened elsewhere in recent times with shootings. Maybe they truly are looking after what they feel is the best interest of their employees. It is their property, and you could get another job. They do have a right to say you cannot bring the gun on their property. I dont think not allowing a firearm on their property is really taking away rights, might be a bit different if it was worded where it said that they were attempting to take away the rights of employees to carry firearms in their vehicles away from work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! Just curious, I run my construction businuese out my house.Does that give you the right to come in and watch tv with my kids on my couch while your wearing a gun if Im gonna do a roof for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! What they don't know.... How will my company know that I have firearms in my vehicle unless 1) I tell them...NOT and 2) they search my vehicle...again NOT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_70 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! I'm all for it.. That gun doesn't do you a bit of good locked up in the house. Also, some states already consider your vehicle an extension of your home and cannot be searched without a warrant anyway. Personally, what's in my vehicle is my business no matter where it's parked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! I voted. I feel this law is crap!! If the company doesn't want me to have a gun on their property, I guess that's their perogative. But my vehicle is not company property. And so long as said firearm doesn't leave my vehicle, I don't see where some other jurisdiction should kick in. Just another knee-jerk reaction by a bunch of touchy-feely, "symbolism-before-substance", uininformed liberals. But, I forgot...........that's how this country is run, most of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! This is just another silly poll taken by a local Florida newspaper. The outcome of this poll will in no way affect the final outcome of the bill that may be before the Florida Legislature. The Florida newspaper knows that the NRA membership, and a lot of out-of-staters who have computers, will cast a vote or two. Remember that Florida is still learning to count. If the members of the Florida legislature actually voted according to a newspaper poll outcome, it would certainly be a "first", and everyone knows that Florida is never first at anything. .....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] I voted. I feel this law is crap!! If the company doesn't want me to have a gun on their property, I guess that's their perogative. But my vehicle is not company property. And so long as said firearm doesn't leave my vehicle, I don't see where some other jurisdiction should kick in. Just another knee-jerk reaction by a bunch of touchy-feely, "symbolism-before-substance", uininformed liberals. But, I forgot...........that's how this country is run, most of the time. [/ QUOTE ] I agree Don! You took the words right out of my mouth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] This is just another silly poll taken by a local Florida newspaper. The outcome of this poll will in no way affect the final outcome of the bill that may be before the Florida Legislature. The Florida newspaper knows that the NRA membership, and a lot of out-of-staters who have computers, will cast a vote or two. Remember that Florida is still learning to count. If the members of the Florida legislature actually voted according to a newspaper poll outcome, it would certainly be a "first", and everyone knows that Florida is never first at anything. .....popgun [/ QUOTE ] But this Florida news paper is very anti-gun! Which it looks like this poll they have going is giving them what they dont want too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! How soon people forget!! Does anyone remember when Florida passed their right-to-carry law?? It's probably been 15 or more years ago. At that point in time, violent crime was rampant down there. Tourists were being victimized left & right. They passed the RTC legislation (and the anti's promised it'd be "just like the old West") and violent crime rates plummeted. Check anywhere in the USA. Compare violent crime rates versus the strictness of gun control laws. It's an inversely proportional relationship wherever you look. (For those of you who voted for Kerry............that means where gun control laws are at their strictest........violent crime rates will be highest.) Look it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] What they don't know.... How will my company know that I have firearms in my vehicle unless ...2) they search my vehicle...again NOT!!! [/ QUOTE ] They do random searches where I work. I understand both sides of it. Just like VA's concealed carry law. On private property, if the owner says no carry, you can not legally carry, even if you have the permit. companies can do the same thing. You can keep your guns in your car if you want, but you can not park on company property. Pretty simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] How soon people forget!! Does anyone remember when Florida passed their right-to-carry law?? It's probably been 15 or more years ago. At that point in time, violent crime was rampant down there. Tourists were being victimized left & right. They passed the RTC legislation (and the anti's promised it'd be "just like the old West") and violent crime rates plummeted. Check anywhere in the USA. Compare violent crime rates versus the strictness of gun control laws. It's an inversely proportional relationship wherever you look. (For those of you who voted for Kerry............that means where gun control laws are at their strictest........violent crime rates will be highest.) Look it up. [/ QUOTE ] Strut, look up what the average cost of a lawsuit is when someone gets shot and the property owner gets sued.It dont take a lotta violent crime to get sued, just a little bit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] Strut, look up what the average cost of a lawsuit is when someone gets shot and the property owner gets sued.It dont take a lotta violent crime to get sued, just a little bit [/ QUOTE ] Had not even thought of that side of this. The liability of a company would be pretty serious, and bet insurance companies in some cases probably force companies to take these type actions in order to cover them. Seems the last couple of years there have been a few shootings in factories that made the headlines where digruntled employees went out to their car and came back in with guns. Guess the property owner has rights as do those who wish to carry, but whose rights in this situation are more important? Think I would have to go with the property owner, being that it does not take away the rights to have the guns, just does not allow them on their property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] Strut, look up what the average cost of a lawsuit is when someone gets shot and the property owner gets sued.It dont take a lotta violent crime to get sued, just a little bit [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I'm following where you're going. Are you talking about someone bringing suit against the property owner where the event took place?? Like, one guy shoots another but they're both on a third party's property so someone sues the property owner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Strut, look up what the average cost of a lawsuit is when someone gets shot and the property owner gets sued.It dont take a lotta violent crime to get sued, just a little bit [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I'm following where you're going. Are you talking about someone bringing suit against the property owner where the event took place?? Like, one guy shoots another but they're both on a third party's property so someone sues the property owner? [/ QUOTE ] Think so. It happens, and the company may possibly stand to lose a great deal if they have no policy to protect their employees. When I worked at a local factory, there was a supervisor who was having inappropriate relations with a married woman also employed there. The womans husband had been employed by the company at one time. There was rumor that he was going to take out the supervisor, and the guy was supposedly nuts. There was one incident where the local police dept did come out and they had choppers flying over, that was supposedly related to this. The factory ended up enforcing a new policy locking out all the doors with the exception of the front entrance. You just never know, and cannot be too careful. Would sure hate to walk out of work and get whacked by a disgruntled employee who is looking to take revenge. Seems I also recall the factory posting signs about that time stating no weapons were allowed on their property. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Strut, look up what the average cost of a lawsuit is when someone gets shot and the property owner gets sued.It dont take a lotta violent crime to get sued, just a little bit [/ QUOTE ] Not sure I'm following where you're going. Are you talking about someone bringing suit against the property owner where the event took place?? Like, one guy shoots another but they're both on a third party's property so someone sues the property owner? [/ QUOTE ] Sure why not, theyre liable for allowing guns on the property, why wouldnt they be able to sue em?If you fall down in a store because they left water on the floor you can sue someone. My only point is people are treating this like its some sorta huge anti gun movement when its just a few companies trying to cover thier own butts.Every one wants to blame the companies and label em as anti gun but nobody wants to look at the reason these rules may be needed.Its certainly not worth millions of dollars to me to let other people keep guns on my property, but thats what it would cost me if these guns were used accidently or intentionally to kill/injur someone on my property and a family member decided to sue.Why take the chance? People can get pissed off and holler anti gun till thier blue in the face, but untill people stop filing frivilous lawsuits, and holding people responsible for things they have no control over this is just private landowners looking out for thier own best interest as far as Im concerned.P{eople are so worried about having thier civil rights messed with theyre totally willing to step all over other peoples to make sure it doesnt happen. If were all willing to sit back and tell these companies thier rights as property owners arent as important as our right to bear arms are we actually any better than the antis that are after our guns?Or has it comre down to the point where its every man for himself? Its no different than me asking someone not to smoke, drink or cuss on my place, or around my kids.If they cant do it theyre welcome to leave.Would I ask someone not to do these things, probably not, but i like to know i have that right if i want to use it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stellfox Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! Well Put!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strut10 Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: Firearms in vechicles - Vote! [ QUOTE ] Sure why not, theyre liable for allowing guns on the property, why wouldnt they be able to sue em?If you fall down in a store because they left water on the floor you can sue someone. [/ QUOTE ] Yep. You can sue anybody for any (non)reason you wish. It's a pathetically litigious society in which we live. Rest assured.........if I were ever assaulted in a place that forbid me to carry my weapon. I would sue them for denying my right to defend myself. Darn skippy I get P-O'ed over my rights being raped on a daily basis!! The constitution of this nation is no longer worth the paper it's printed on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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