Nut Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I just read a article where as part of the "No child left behind act" that military recruiters have the right to request private contact and personal information on high school students. If the HS does not provide the info when requested that they could lose funding. There is a opting out option for parents to deny their child's info to the recruiters. Your thoughts please about this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I believe a school with federal funding should be required to allow recruiters on campus, but I firmly believe that a parent has every right in the world to restrict a recruiters access to their child. If the parent does not want the recruiters to have unlimited access to their childs test scores,classes,files etc. then the recruiters should honor that. Honestly, I realize that high schools are prime recruiting territory, but if you think about it, recruiters shouldn't be talking to someones kid without their permission, when they turn 18 let em contact them to their hearts content, I know, the Marines never left me alone, was that you Mike? But seriously, there's a fine line here I think. I think the schools should be required to allow recruiters access to common areas of the school where students can approach them and have assemblies where recruiters can make their pitch, but any personal info such as addresses,test scores etc. should be reserved for the parents to decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision [ QUOTE ] I believe a school with federal funding should be required to allow recruiters on campus, but I firmly believe that a parent has every right in the world to restrict a recruiters access to their child. If the parent does not want the recruiters to have unlimited access to their childs test scores,classes,files etc. then the recruiters should honor that. Honestly, I realize that high schools are prime recruiting territory, but if you think about it, recruiters shouldn't be talking to someones kid without their permission, when they turn 18 let em contact them to their hearts content, I know, the Marines never left me alone, was that you Mike? But seriously, there's a fine line here I think. I think the schools should be required to allow recruiters access to common areas of the school where students can approach them and have assemblies where recruiters can make their pitch, but any personal info such as addresses,test scores etc. should be reserved for the parents to decide. [/ QUOTE ] I agree! Until they turn 18 they should not be allowed that info. Once 18 they can do what they need to do to get recruits. I believe the kids need to be protected from this until there out of high school. Then again, I was bothered until I was a senior and 18 years old anyways! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision Have to agree with sluggo here. Kids should not be bothered in high school with recruiters. Dont most schools already have ROTC programs for kids interested in the service anyways? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I disagree. Our Country for the last however many years had been defended due to our Recruiting system that we have or have had. Recruiting goals are hurting enough right now because of the war and alot... not all...but alot of kids today want most stuff for free and are afraid to earn anything or god forbid be shot at. Alot of kids know about the military in high school but alot of them need the "pushiness" of a recruiter to get them in the right direction if they are undecided on their career path. So for all of you against it, who is going to fill in all the empty slots in the Military when the recruiting goals are not met...are you going to...or just expect us who are in now to be around forever and pick up the slack. I mean come on, we know the schools are the biggest targets for Recruiters. You take that away, it's going to put a bigger gash in recruting goals. How much say does the President have in this? I don't know that's why I am asking. I hope he has alot because if he doesn't squash this now, we will be really hurting. Why fix something that is not broke! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision As a parent my child's privacy is paramount in contact information. I do not care if they talk to a recruiter to find out information. They have pamphlets in the HS office anyway. I do not need a recruiter or anybody else contacting my underage child at home or anywhere else without my approval. Why did I have to learn about this totally BS law. Then I have to be the one to "opt"out. Another strike against the thing the military stands for by politicians. Freedom. IMHO this should not be oart of ANY law. Recruiters did not have any problems before and should not need this. If a child is interested then fine. If not then leave it alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lostiniowa Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision yet another reason no child left behind is a joke. The next president will keep the title but drastically change the basis of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision [ QUOTE ] As a parent my child's privacy is paramount in contact information. I do not care if they talk to a recruiter to find out information. They have pamphlets in the HS office anyway. I do not need a recruiter or anybody else contacting my underage child at home or anywhere else without my approval. Why did I have to learn about this totally BS law. Then I have to be the one to "opt"out. Another strike against the thing the military stands for by politicians. Freedom. IMHO this should not be oart of ANY law. Recruiters did not have any problems before and should not need this. If a child is interested then fine. If not then leave it alone. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with you Nut. Wholeheartedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I don't have a problem with a recruiter contacting my boys at home ONCE. But then that's it. My oldest tells them there dad is active duty Air Force anyway and they wouldn't be so stupid to sign up for anyone else anyway! When was the last time a question was raised about telemarketers calling your house? Was there such a big stink? Get your priorities straight.................. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision sluggo is wrong. these " kids" are almost adults. they can choose what they want, just like i could when i was there if the school won't allow it, pull the funding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision [ QUOTE ] sluggo is wrong. these " kids" are almost adults. they can choose what they want, just like i could when i was there if the school won't allow it, pull the funding. [/ QUOTE ] My 2 youngest sons are 15 and almost 14. And until they are 18 .....their Dad will make these kind of decisions. I also will determine who gets their info. So I am going to the high school tomorrow and OPTING out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I can see your point Mike, but have to agree with Nut. Recruiters should not be able to get all the kids info unless it is released to them either by the child after age 18 or unless the parents agree the child under age 18 is competent enough to make the decision and they agree to allow the school to furnish the information. As for the recruiters going to the schools and talking with the kids, I dont have a problem with that, but when it becomes a persistent pushy recruiter that has all of your childs information and your home address and phone, I could see where that might lead to some potential for problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision Yeah I mean look at all the problems it has caused in the last 50 years ....Ok so when the Recruiters have a even harder time getting people to join, I think they should make all the dads join for 4 years. I can't believe I am hearing all this bullcrap about this. Why is it a problem now all of a sudden? I mean I know Recruiters are a pain in the butt but their job sucks for them too you know! But why all of a sudden is this a problem? Just another example of where this country is heading I can't believe they are letting this fly. Oh and BTW, I know way too many recruiters out there for anyone in here to say that it won't cause a problem for the Recruiting goals . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I think there's an obvious answer/result from this, but everyone is afraid to say the word. It's called a draft. It won't happen right away, but if the recruiting goals fall far enough behind, what other choice is there? Think about it parents. Would you rather have your teenager "harassed" by recruiters or would you prefer they receive a letter that begins with "Greetings from the President..." ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision [ QUOTE ] I just read a article where as part of the "No child left behind act" that military recruiters have the right to request private contact and personal information on high school students. If the HS does not provide the info when requested that they could lose funding [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Why is it a problem now all of a sudden? I mean I know Recruiters are a pain in the butt but their job sucks for them too you know! But why all of a sudden is this a problem? Just another example of where this country is heading [/ QUOTE ] Depends on how you look at it TSBH.The way I read it the only thing that has changed is the Governments now willing to blackmail the public schools if they refuse to give out private information on minors. The only change here is theyre threatening to withhold fundind from these schools.Now, what kinda sense does that make in a bill thats supposedly promoting education? And why is it everywhere else in society a minors privacy is protected but when it comes to the military/government that protection should be thrown out the window? If you found out your doctors office was giving out your childs info would you be this accepting? Also I couldnt see where it said anything about recruiters not being able to talk to the kids, it just said their "personal information " wouldnt be given out.If the kids not interested in joining theres no need for them to have contact info and personal records anyway.I think some of you guys are reading way to much into this. And I think if the governments gotta resort to threatening school funding to get recruits for the military that the systems already way beyond being broken.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I would sure like to read this recent article. Where is it? When I did a search on the No Child Left Behind Act, I came up with this web-page from the Dept. of Education: http://www.ed.gov/policy/gen/guid/fpco/hottopics/ht-10-09-02a.html If this bill was signed back in Oct. 2002....Why all the hubb-bubb now? Has there been recent changes, or we just re-hashing old news again? I don't see this as any subject to get upset about. The Government already has access to a lot more information about your family than just your teenagers name, age, address, and phone number. ....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision It wasn't broke so why the heck are we trying to fix it. This country has been defended by our Recruiting efforts like this for years and years. When there is a draft for your children, you'll know why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision popgun this is where I FIRST learned that this provision existed. web page I don't have the problem with recruiters unless they are "pushy". That usually makes me push back when it comes to protecting my children. My problem is the stupid government adding this to a so-called education bill. I always thought that recruiters had the children (and that is what they are ) fill out a info card or something. The proper way to find out the info would be to have a parent sign a form releasing that info not to prevent it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision The National Guard base near here has fantastic people who are active in the community and provide great examples. Their attitudes and examples have done more for recruiting than anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision 1 more thing. How many here has a son in high school also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision [ QUOTE ] popgun this is where I FIRST learned that this provision existed. web page I don't have the problem with recruiters unless they are "pushy". That usually makes me push back when it comes to protecting my children. [/ QUOTE ] Thanks Nut. I read the article and I still don't see anything wrong with Military Recruiters coming into the schools, any more than recruiters from colleges and universities or trade school representatives. All of the recruiters I have met for the military, were very courteous; and each knows that they are representing their branch of the military every time they approach someone about a career or an enlistment. I think parents should be more concerned about Credit Card Hawks at colleges and universities that are enticing the young, and still naive students into credit they don't need and cannot afford. As far as the military recruitment being higher in urban areas than in other areas; If there was a "Draft", everyone would have the same chances. I am still in favor of a mandatory military obligation for "All Americans". I am still not convinced that an "all voluntary system" works. That is why the military is so short of doctors and other professionals. Defending our country, by serving in a military capacity is, or should be, every American's duty, responsibility, and honor. My children are no longer in high school, but if they were; I'd be proud that they showed interest in the military. I certainly would not participate in teaching them to cower from responsibility as an American. From the schools listed in the article, there were "very few" parents that opted out. Just my humble thoughts..... ....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision That is the thing with me also popgun. I am for the recruiters going to the high schools. It is my belief that the info would be released only if the parent signs a release form. Not the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision [ QUOTE ] It is my belief that the info would be released only if the parent signs a release form. Not the other way around. [/ QUOTE ] Nut, this is the only part of your reply I don't seem to comprehend. According to the article, only about 1% or less of the parents opted out. Why should 99% of the parents have to sign papers saying it is ok? It seems the paperwork involved as well as the filing would be much easier to keep up with, if the 1% signed the opt-out papers instead of the parents of almost the entire student body signing release forms. Forms that would have to be filed and kept current. ....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision I did not even know that as a parent I had to do such a thing until the article. I am sure that is why many others have not. They do not realize they are the ones that must "opt" out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: No Child Left Behind Provision Well even the high school did not had any clue to what I was talking to them about today. They also seem uninformed about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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