TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 It's ironic that we have had a topic going in here about recruiters getting the info at school and all. Guess what came in today??? We have now been tasked with doing a 6K run/walk/Color Guard at an area High School in November. With that said, we must set up a stand and they want us to recruit 5 kids . We are not recruiters. My point is this is where it starts to unfold. What's next in line for Marine units? And you guys think there is not going to be a draft in the next 5-10 years. Think again partners ....but hey, keep the info from the recruiters so that they can't recruit like they have for the last "many" years. Little Johnny might get a surprise knock at the door because he must fill in the gap that couldn't be filled with the new recruiting regulations. My best advise to people that "Don't know" because they "Really don't know anything about the military", sit back and learn instead of trying to argue a point that you know nothing about. By the way, I planned that weekend to be a camping trip.....thank you parents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] And you guys think there is not going to be a draft in the next 5-10 years. [/ QUOTE ] I know I'm going to get smoked on this one but here it goe's any how... I think they should impliment the draft..... I feel it's everyones duty to serve your country...( if physically fit to do so ), atleast for a couple years anyhow.... I think it would bring back some respect that's lacking in most of our younger generation... and just might reverse their thinking that they are owed something without working for it... Now go easy on me folks....I'm a small fragile person.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 12, 2005 Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr You know I love you Mike, maybe this comment would be better off in the other thread, maybe not, at least this way most people will be able to read it. I don't think that keeping private info about someones child is gonna keep the enlistment numbers low, I mean, the enlistment numbers aren't so low right now because they aren't offering any good benefits, heck, when I joined they didn't offer crap, none of the services , no bonuses, no nothing, then, after I reuppped, they still had no bonus, they instituted a re-up bonus 3 months after I did so, they wouldn't make it retroactive. Now, they are doing nothing short of offering to buy the kids a new Corvette if they sign up, medical benefits, education benefits, sign on bonus's that are almost equal to what I make in a year. No siree, thats not why the kids aren't joining up, they're not joining up because the majority of them don't want to get sent to some godforsaken sand box and get killed. Thats the long and short of it IMHO. The one's who will join will join anyway, for whatever reason, patriotism, benefits, no other goals in life. The recruiters are there for a purpose, to recruit, but I still feel that they should get permission to contact the kids until they are 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr Recruiting is at a low right now...trust me on that The benifits are there. I mean look at me. I have a huge house and a huge yard that I pay nothing on. I get full medical coverage, full dental coverage. They pay me to shoot a rifle and to go on "Camping trips". They pay me to land on foreign shores and shoot a gun. They give me beach front property when needed. Now tell me Slugo, what other company in the US gives you all that [ QUOTE ] The one's who will join will join anyway [/ QUOTE ] That's not true either. Some will but again, it takes the info Recruiters have access too and the pushiness that Recruiters are famous for to get those numbers. Yeah, recruiting is low because alot kids want everything handed to them and are afraid to help defend this great nation by going to war but why make it worse by tightning the noose even tighter on Recruiters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr Mike, i dont think your understanding where a lotta peole have a problem with this.Its got nothing to do with recruiters talking to the kids at school, matter of fact this bill doesnt even change that.From what I read recruiters are still very much allowed to talk to these kids. Its got everything to do with taking a bill thats supposed to be supporting education, and inserting this crap about withholding federal funding if the military isnt given private information.The stupid part is, most of this is probably info the governments already got.There was no need to put this particuliar crap in that particuliar bill.Its 2 seperate issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And you guys think there is not going to be a draft in the next 5-10 years. [/ QUOTE ] I know I'm going to get smoked on this one but here it goe's any how... I think they should impliment the draft..... I feel it's everyones duty to serve your country...( if physically fit to do so ), atleast for a couple years anyhow.... I think it would bring back some respect that's lacking in most of our younger generation... and just might reverse their thinking that they are owed something without working for it... Now go easy on me folks....I'm a small fragile person.... [/ QUOTE ] 10% get 90% of the attention. Now let's throw some more folks in that don't want to be there. I guess some folks haven't done much supervising. Learning respect starts at home, not forced on in the military..................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] withholding federal funding if the military isnt given private information. [/ QUOTE ] I guess I'm missing the boat on this one.... which isn't anything new for me.... But just what type of info is the Military suppose to be looking for or asking for ??? Grades and aptitude are public record anyhow,, Medical questions are another story however,, unless a waiver is signed by a consenting adult...is this the issue that is in question ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] Grades and aptitude are public record anyhow,, [/ QUOTE ] Hows that?? I can't just walk into a school and request the grades and aptitude info for any student I please. That is privileged information, heck, the parents have to go through the wringer sometimes just to get that info. While we are on the subject, lets discuss the ASVAB test, do they still administer that, not sure, anyhoo, anyone who has been in the military or thought about it has most likely taken this test. The test of course is voluntary, I took it in high school as many often do. Should a child, under the age of 18, be given the opportunity to take this test without a parents permission, it's basically the same thing that we are talking about, if we don't want recruiters to have certain info about our kids without parental permission, then the ASVAB should only be administered to kids under 18 only with parental consent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr Mike, my only concerns on this were with a recruiter getting the information on a child without any knowledge of the parents if the child is under 18. I have no problem with the recruiters going to the schools and talking to all the kids on an equal level, but why should they have to have access to all of the information on all the kids prior to age 18 without a parents knowledge? Are they afraid that if parents know that their 17 year old is being enticed to take up a military career that they may talk them out of it, and that they will lose that kid? Honestly if a kid is indecisive enough at that age that the parents can talk them out of going in what kind of soldier are they going to be? I fully understand our country has a need for troops, and understand that a draft may be reinstated. I dont however think that asking a parents consent is going to have a real affect on the number of out of high school kids who are entering the service. Face it, some kids are not capable of making adult decisions even after 18. Asking for a parents consent for releasing this information would not stop a kid that is intent and decisive from joining anyway. Almost sounds to me like recruiters are falling short and trying to lay blame on schools and parents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr Slugo,,, not sure what school you went to,, but I took basic aptitude tests starting in the 9th. grade,, these tests are used by state and federal government to evaluate our local and national learning levels... This is how they come up with National Comparison Quota Numbers... ( and Vermont doesn't rank that bad on the list either... ) And yes they are pubic record all a parent has to do is contact the Board of Education to get the information..... But like you said earlier,,, I don't see what the big stink is.... the government has access to this info and much wether we have knowledge of it or not..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] the government has access to this info and much wether we have knowledge of it or not..... [/ QUOTE ] And you guys oppose gun registration what a joke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] Slugo,,, not sure what school you went to,, but I took basic aptitude tests starting in the 9th. grade,, these tests are used by state and federal government to evaluate our local and national learning levels... This is how they come up with National Comparison Quota Numbers... ( and Vermont doesn't rank that bad on the list either... ) And yes they are pubic record all a parent has to do is contact the Board of Education to get the information..... But like you said earlier,,, I don't see what the big stink is.... the government has access to this info and much wether we have knowledge of it or not..... [/ QUOTE ] But you make it sound like any Joe Schmo can walk in and get the info, and thats just not the case. A parent can ge the info, but public record means that anyone can get the info. Individual grades aren't , but schoolwide/statewide results would be, but not on an individual student. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the government has access to this info and much wether we have knowledge of it or not..... [/ QUOTE ] And you guys oppose gun registration what a joke [/ QUOTE ] Yep, I'd be willing to bet that the government already knows what guns I own, gun registration or not, heck, if the county sherrif pulls you over and you have a CCW, guess what pops up on their computer. I don't know if you were around when I posted this over a year ago Nut, but I posed the question as to how many on here would support gun registration if it was put into the USA PATRIOT Act by the president that noone seems to like anymore, a staggering number said they would support it, if it was used to combat terrorism. Whats good for the goose is not always good for the gander. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr Why do you guys keep saying that the Government has all this information already? Some of you watched Enemy of the State one too many times. Recruiters are not blaming anyone except for the War. But thier recruiting procedures are getting harder and harder which doesn't help the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr I kinda see both sides here Mike. The problem here as I understand it from what I have read here, is that the government is essentially "blackmailing" the school system. What does it matter really if the government has this info or not? I never had a recruiter contact me, until AFTER I took the ASVAB exam, but by then, I had already made up my mind I was joining, so it really didn't matter. Maybe things have changed, but I think I WAS the one who contacted the Army recruiter, and not vise versa. As far as recruiting, man I wouldn't wish that job on my worst enemy. think I would rather be a Drill Sergeant than a recruiter!!! I to think military service should be a requirement, it may change some folks outlook on life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr Just curious, while everyone is doing thier mandatory term with the armed forces are Gator, Vermont, and whoever else thinks its a good idea gonna fill in for these kids at the local Walmart and Burger king? sounds kinda funny but im only half joking.a lotta these kids you all are so anxious to push into the military are doing jobs nobody else wants.Whos gonna fill these positions if everyones overqualified for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And you guys think there is not going to be a draft in the next 5-10 years. [/ QUOTE ] I know I'm going to get smoked on this one but here it goe's any how... I think they should impliment the draft..... I feel it's everyones duty to serve your country...( if physically fit to do so ), atleast for a couple years anyhow.... I think it would bring back some respect that's lacking in most of our younger generation... and just might reverse their thinking that they are owed something without working for it... Now go easy on me folks....I'm a small fragile person.... [/ QUOTE ] 10% get 90% of the attention. Now let's throw some more folks in that don't want to be there. I guess some folks haven't done much supervising. Learning respect starts at home, not forced on in the military..................... [/ QUOTE ] As for supervising... I have done this in the military as an NCO... and continue to do this with my current job..... I have found that most ( but not all ) of our younger generation just plain don't care what you think..... and they think that we as a society owe them a free ride in life.... I get real tired of hearing " well I didn't ask to be here " just want to make me take them out and say NOPE your right bye. bye.... And as for this line..... [ QUOTE ] Learning respect starts at home, not forced on in the military..................... [/ QUOTE ] Then I think some parents shouldn't be parents most of them have no clue as to where little Jonny is or what he's doing and could care less.. And for proof of that all you have to do is look in our schools today... ARMED police officers patrolling the halls,,, juvenile detention centers over flowing with teenagers with attidtudes....Teenagers running the streets at all times of the night and so on and so on.... So if it's not being taken care of at home then where ??? Forced on them in the military..... ,,,, I'll guarantee you, that it will only take once with a drill instructor and the bad attitude will be gonzo..... I don't mean to sound harsh but, man something needs to be done with todays way of thinking.... That someone else owes you something for free or Im just going to take it.... Maybe the military is just the answer,,, learning a little self respect and disipline and some respect for others will go a long ways.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] Just curious, while everyone is doing thier mandatory term with the armed forces are Gator, Vermont, and whoever else thinks its a good idea gonna fill in for these kids at the local Walmart and Burger king? sounds kinda funny but im only half joking.a lotta these kids you all are so anxious to push into the military are doing jobs nobody else wants.Whos gonna fill these positions if everyones overqualified for them? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe it's time we revamp the Welfare System and put some of these people to work like they should be..... So atleast Gator and I and the rest of the working class can bring a little more money home in our paychecks..... Just a idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr And Mike I totally apologize for side traking your thread.... Truely I am... Being a recruiter isn't something I would ever want to be ...... NOPE no way.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 13, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr As far as the supervising comment made by DG, he must be talking about someone else or something else. As far as the Burger King comment....I could care less about Burger King. They can go bankrupt for all I care....along with all the other little food chains. You all can think of what you want about all this, but I know! I still can't believe the Burger King comment ....I must go, hockey is on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
py_archer Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr When I went in it was common practice for recruiters to lie and change records, they were desperate. With the way the discrimination laws are now be prepared to send your daughter if the draft is reinstated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] With the way the discrimination laws are now be prepared to send your daughter if the draft is reinstated. [/ QUOTE ] Well, we are used to your comments by now. I think you had a bad expierence in the military or something because you sure do dog them out in the threads in here. Must of got kicked out huh ...didn't make it past E-1 There have been some women heroes in this War....women are always wanting to be treated like the men so hey, they are getting their wish. I really don't want them but.......hey, I am not the boss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] I know! I still can't believe the Burger King comment [/ QUOTE ] And I still cant believe anyone can support the governments blackmailing the public schools to get the records of minors. guesse we will both just have to learn to live with it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I know! I still can't believe the Burger King comment [/ QUOTE ] And I still cant believe anyone can support the governments blackmailing the public schools to get the records of minors. guesse we will both just have to learn to live with it [/ QUOTE ] Yeah well phewy on you too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: Speaking parents being able to hide info from Recr LOL...It's a good thing we are all on the same side..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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