AJ Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Yep, I had the same deal. Musket caps will work just fine. They have given me much better accuracy than 209 primers have. They are a lot better than the #11 cap but are less than a 209. Just right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABS Posted October 13, 2005 Report Share Posted October 13, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? I like musket caps best -- work great in all my MLs just be sure and get good quality ones. I had some cheap ones come apart on me. Almost cost me a deer last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarvDog Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? That's interesting about the 209 and musket caps. Currently, I use #11s on my Traditions sidelock. I might have to try musket caps at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beagleboy Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? I use the 209 primers in my TC. Great accuracy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? Am going back to the number 11's on my black diamond. Just dont like the 209 primers with that gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? I shoot musket caps in my Black Diamond and my Rem 700ML. I could not get better than 4" groups with 209 primers. I was testing out the PR QT 40 saboted bullet and after a couple calls to Cecil, he finally asked me what ignition source I was using. I said 209, and he acted like a light came on. "OHHHH, use a musket cap" was his response. I tried it and the groups dropped to MOA. In my Rem 700ML, the best with 209s is about 2.5" groups. With musket caps, I can get sub MOA. I have swapped out other BD and 700 guns to shoot the musket caps for friends and I have gotten no complaints. Everyone has been extremely happy with the results. A gun that shoots 2" or even 4" groups is still more than adequate for most deer hunting. If you think of the accuracy of the bullet will be within 2" of your crosshair, you realize it will be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WABS Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? I'm using Musket Caps on my Black Diamond as well. It loves them. Never had a missfire with them either (when I use the good ones) and I've owned the gun for probably close to ten years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bow Hunter Derek Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? This is interesting. Why is it that the caps are more accurate than the 209's. When guns started coming out with 209's that seemed to be all the rage. I even converted my inline from a #11 to a 209. This thread has me thinking if that might not be one of my problems I've been seeing with my groups the past two years. I did switch to the new 209 clean bore primers from Remington this year. They seem to leave less fouling in the breech area. Anyone have any thoughts on why the accuracy drops? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beagleboy Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? I also switched to the 209 clean bore primers but needed cleaning after 6 shots, not the 10 or 20 shots they advertise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? Yeah, go to www.prbullet.com and look at their small rifle primer ignition system. There is quite a bit of documentation about the 209's being too hot. I can't speak from experience because I still shoot a knight wolverine with the #11 cap without any problems. I have no idea where this 209 primer crap came from. There is some documentation about the firing pin actually jamming because of the increased amount of fouling from the 209 primers. I kind of wonder where the future of muzzleloading will go. I'll continue to shoot my all lead, precison rifle dead-center polymer tipped bullets and #11 primers without any problem. Forget the 209's, forget the jacketed bullets. Visit the precision rifle website and you will be enlightened. And, by the way, I don't work for or have any affiliation with them whatsoever. Take care, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? I upgraded to musket caps in my T/C Renegade years ago. It was the best thing I ever did, practically eliminated any hang fires. Harv, T/C makes musket cap nipples for your gun. I do not own an in-line but my best friend has great accuracy in his omega with 209's. Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigAl1781 Posted October 17, 2005 Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? in my cva staghorn ive been using no.11s but i just changed it to 209,,havent shot it yet though,hope i didnt mess up?????i never had a missfire with the no.11s either even in the rain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? [ QUOTE ] in my cva staghorn ive been using no.11s but i just changed it to 209,,havent shot it yet though,hope i didnt mess up?????i never had a missfire with the no.11s either even in the rain [/ QUOTE ] Try it and see how it does. If it shoots as good, stick with it. If it does not, well you know where to look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted October 18, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? [ QUOTE ] I think if its moving the sabot and bullet before the powder ignites it could affect accuracy. Lee [/ QUOTE ] Not just accuracy, but velocity too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gt2003 Posted October 21, 2005 Report Share Posted October 21, 2005 Re: 209 or Musket cap? Cecil from precision rifle responded to my email stating that winchester and remington are working on solutions to the 209 primer situation. I'll wait to see what they come up with before buying a new muzzleloader. For now, I'll stick with my knight wolverine, simmons aetec scope and #11 cap. Sometimes when you think you are improving, you are actually taking a step backwards. Good luck all, Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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