Smitteken Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! RyanH All in all you are both kind of wrong. You originally said that they are HORNS, he said they're not. He's right on that one. They are ANTLERS. BUT... A real horn, say on a bull, is a skin type material. He has his wires crossed. He's trying to tell you the difference between Horns and Antlers but when it comes to which animal they're on he really doesn't know that. I bet he can tell you difference between a 12 gauge slug and an arrow but doesn't know which goes to which. Keep after him. -aaron P.S. I have a bachelors in Biology too, and am a chemist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] As antlers near the end of the growing process, spongy bone in their outer edges is replaced by compact bone, while their centers become filled with coarse, spongy, lamellar bone and marrow spaces. [/ QUOTE ] From his own link! [/ QUOTE ] LOL.. How many time does a passage have to say the word "BONE" before he gets it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_70 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! As antlers near the end of the growing process, spongy bone in their outer edges is replaced by compact bone, while their centers become filled with coarse, spongy, lamellar bone and marrow spaces. I agree.. He's not reading his own material Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orion_70 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! Also... From Websters Dictionary: Main Entry: ant·ler Pronunciation: 'ant-l&r Function: noun Etymology: Middle English aunteler, from Middle French antoillier, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin anteoculare, from neuter of anteocularis located before the eye, from Latin ante- + oculus eye -- more at EYE : one of the paired deciduous solid bone processes that arise from the frontal bone on the head of an animal of the deer family; also : a branch of an antler - ant·lered /-l&rd/ adjective Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! First things first Deer have antlers, Bulls have horns!! LOL sorry but I had to say it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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VermontHunter Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! I can't believe he still doesn't get it..... Here Ryan,,, This info comes from Biologist themselfs..... Antlers and Antler Growth Whitetails are probably best known and sought after for their antlers. Sometimes incorrectly referred to as horns, deer antlers are cast and regrown annually. Horns, on the other hand, grow continually much like hooves. Another difference between horns and antlers is that horns, like hooves, are composed of keratin, whereas antlers are composed of bone. The actual composition of antlers depends upon their stage of growth. Growing antlers are 80 percent protein and 20 percent ash. Hardened antlers are roughly 63 percent ash, 22 percent calcium, 11 percent phosphorus and 4 percent organic matter. Antlers are most dense on young deer and tend to become more porous as the animals grow older. The phrase, "the head grows according to the pasture," is probably more accurate when stated, "the body grows according to the pasture." Antler growth requires a substantial amount of protein and minerals, yet body growth always takes precedence. This is true especially for young deer because they are still putting energy into body growth. Measuring specific nutritional and mineral effects on wild deer antler growth is difficult because of the animals' large home range and varied diet. A number of studies on penned deer have found relationships between nutrition and antler growth in young deer. Whitetail fawns fed a ration containing less than 9.5 percent protein developed smaller racks, weighed less and cast their antlers earlier than fawns fed 16 percent protein rations. Although spring nutrition is important for body and antler growth, whitetails possess adaptations that enable them to prosper in areas with mineral deficiencies. For example, deer deposit minerals in their skeletons throughout the year. Then, during antler growth, they mobilize these minerals to the growing antlers. A second adaptation is their ability to change absorption rates of minerals in their stomach. When using large amounts of minerals for antler growth, deer siphon more minerals from their diet. Deer rely on plants for these minerals, and they select plants offering the highest mineral concentrations. Protein and minerals play an important role in deer growth and antler development. Yet under normal weather conditions in decent habitat, deer are able grow to their potential without supplementation. A recent study that took place in an area with markedly poor soils found no significant difference between body weight or antler size in two populations of wild deer. One group had unlimited access to mineral blocks, and the other did not. In another study, deer with access to food plots were not heavier nor did they have larger antlers than deer without access to food plots. The large number of big deer and racks that come from north Missouri, however, suggests the abundance of agricultural plantings seems to influence deer body size and antler growth. Nutrition is important, but other factors, such as genetics and age, probably play a role in the antler growth of deer in Missouri. Most studies that examine the effects of genetics on antler growth are studies of penned deer. Whether these findings may be extrapolated to wild populations remains in question. One theory suggests that spike bucks-bucks, usually yearlings, with non-branched antlers-are genetically inferior. Another has found that many of these spike bucks are late-born fawns whose antler development is retarded but will eventually catch up with other bucks. No doubt if we take 100 bucks and feed them the same rations until they reach 4 1/2 years of age, antler development will vary among these deer. Much of this variance probably is caused by genetics. Genes and nutrition aside, however, a 3- to 7-year-old deer in Missouri will have a "braggin' sized" rack because Missouri has good deer habitat. Most deer never reach their potential because they are harvested the first year they grow antlers. And here's the link.... http://www.conservation.state.mo.us/nathis/mammals/deer/bio.html Maybe this will convience him he's wrong on the bone part.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted October 20, 2005 Report Share Posted October 20, 2005 Re: DEER HORNS! you tell a deers age from it's teeth, not it's antler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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