BuckNrut Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 I think I need to upgrade the most important aspect of a bowhunter's equipment - the broad head. I've been using the Wasp Cam-lok since 1983. It features two rings that go around the outside of the broad head and "lock" the blades in place. The problem I've expreienced is that the rings, upon entering game, can break or expand and act like a "judo point" on small game. Result - very poor penetration. Now, I've made 15-yd pass thru shots, but I've alo had 7-yd shots that only penetrated 6-10 inches. At these distances (10 yds and under) I should expect that arrow to exit and stick in the ground! I cannot cost justify a whole new setup so here's the question: What are some good "modern" broad heads that will work with the below listed setup? 55 Lb Bear compound, with wood limbs - purchased in 1983 and still in great shape. Easton 2016 arrows cut to 29". (Some say I should use 2017) The Wasp Cam-Lok broad heads are in 135-gr weight. At 15 yds (level ground) they drop about 3 inches compared to 100-gr field points. I've tried Muzzy 125-gr 3-blade heads and they drop 6" or more at 15 yds (way too much for my liking). Thank you in advance for your responses. I hope I don't start a "war" and get SRA banned! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Geez I would think any 100g fixed blade head would do what you what it to. I shoot traditional so my KE and speed are way less then all compounds and I get pass they out of a cut on contact head like the 125g Magnus Snuffer 3 blade. You may want to try looking at a 2 blade head as well since they out preform all other in penitration aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiganbowhunter_SQ2 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance i would try the grim reapers....good head...no bands to hold the blades closed....they shoot exactly like my field tips do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance I think any 3 or 4 fixed blade will work fine with a little tuning. Why are you shooting 135 grains. I would consider switching to 100 grain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance I just tried some Crimson Talons and they fly almost the same as my field points. I am impressed with them. With Muzzy's I was 10 inches off to the left, they were hard to tune. Talons were easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance You need a fixed blade not an expandable. I seriously doubt you have enough KE to open reliably. Not saying they won't open but that one in a million buck walks out, that is when murphy's law is gonna kick in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bow Hunter Derek Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Since 1983, there is a whole world of new broadheads out there. Not saying some of the old designs are not effective, but you owe it to yourself to look around at all the new options. 99% of all the new mechanicals, fixed blades, cut on contacts, etc are awesome and will work well. I'd look into a 100 gr. cut on contact head, but that is just my preferance. I recommend you go to a pro shop and talk to someone about your options. Personally, I use Steelforce Sabertooth 100 gr heads. I've been using them since they came out a few years ago. I've never had anything get up after taking a shot from one, so I can't complain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckNrut Posted November 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance [ QUOTE ] Why are you shooting 135 grains? [/ QUOTE ] That's what the pro shop sold me, so I just stayed with it all these years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Like I ahd mentioned as well. The 100g should work well for you. The lighter weight should get you a flatter shot but still have plenty of punch off your set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunt101 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance I shoot 100 Grain Muzzys (3-blade or 4-blade it was 4-blade for most of this year), and I lovem, they flied great with my field points and even though I never got to turn one loose on gravy they look like they would do some massive damage........-tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huntinsonovagun Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Fixed blades!! With a compound that old (not bashing at all!!) I would not even think about shooting mechanicals. JMO.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Still believe in Thunderheads, but I'm going to fling a Muzzy if a stupid deer would get close enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatetomiss Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance steelforce broadheads have never let me down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AaronS Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance I would look at the 100 grain 4 blade Muzzy and the 100 grain Slick Trick before I looked at anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hutchies Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Yep, MCH is shooting the slicktricks this year I believe. Fixed blade is definately the way to go though. I would not think twice about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance It's not so much the BH all the time. If you hit the shoulder (entering or exiting), you stand a good chance at poor penetration no matter what brand it is. It doesn't take much to penetrate through ribs and lungs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DU_man_84 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance i would go with the muzzy 100 grain 3 or 4 blade broadheads, then up above someone talked about the crimson talons, supposedly when they came out they were the talk of the crowd, ive seen them shot, they shoot very true and straight but i had 5 buddys switched to em when they came out and loved them when practicing with them, well after each one of them shot a deer with one they noticed the blades got really got banged up or even cracked or broke off completely, heard they arent too strong with contact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance [ QUOTE ] i would try the grim reapers....good head...no bands to hold the blades closed....they shoot exactly like my field tips do... [/ QUOTE ] with his set-up, he needs a good fixed blade, not an expandable. A very good cut on contact broadhead, with repalceable blades is the new Wac-Em. I saw first hand what one of these broadheads did to a hard quartering away doe, shot out of a 63 pound bow. Was very impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckNrut Posted November 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Thanks everyone, I went to Gander, then Walmart (visited with Compro for a few minutes) and Gander had the Sabertooths, and Muzzy 3-blades in 100 gr. I'm leaning twards the Muzzys partially because they come with practice blades and seemed affordable (about $30 for 6). My local huntin buddies are using the slick tricks and I would have preferred them or the 4-blade Muzzys. So, do I finish the season (3 more weekends) with what I have, or buy the 3-blade Muzzys? From everyone's comments, it sounds like I can't go wrong with any choice on the newer heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest tyshe17 Posted November 3, 2005 Report Share Posted November 3, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance honestly, I would stay wiht what you have and stay with in your limitations. Changing now could mean a lot of tunning, sight adjustment, or some other type of trouble. then in the off season you can get the heads you really want (although I shoot the 3 blade muzzys and love them) and get your bow set perfectly for them. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuckNrut Posted November 4, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Well everyone, All the local stores didn't seem to have one of my top 3 choices in stock. Gander was the closest with the 3-blade Muzzys in 100 gr. - not a bad option, but I wanted a 4-blade design. I ended up purchasing the WASP Boss 4-blade broadheads online. They are quite similar in design to the Muzzy design. The difference I found, from available information, was that the Boss head had a tip that aligns with the blades for deeper penetration and more accurate arrow flight. We'll see how they work out. Muzzy's practice blades were a great selling point though. Thanks again everyone for your input. I think every broadhead mentioned in this thread is an improvement over the WASP Cam-lok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tominator Posted November 4, 2005 Report Share Posted November 4, 2005 Re: Poor broadhead performance Stupid deer got close enough last night. Muzzy did the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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