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slugshooter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? Not at all surprised by the revelations. Thats exactly why I wrote a paper last semester arguing for the USA PATRIOT Act to be repealed. Aside from freedom of speech, my right to privacy is my most important right, because of the USA PATRIOT Act, the government can now decide I may be a terrorist, and investigate me fully and completely without me ever knowing about it. God Bless America. Heck, one could say that the next time I buy a gun, and the FBI gets the record, they could decide that I need to be looked at more closely, I may be an insurgent, or a budding terrorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? [ QUOTE ] No, the government can now decide I may be a terrorist, and investigate me fully and completely without me ever knowing about it. they could decide that I need to be looked at more closely, I may be an insurgent, or a budding terrorist. [/ QUOTE ] Are you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? [ QUOTE ] Are you? [/ QUOTE ] What kind of response is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted November 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? For the record I also say to repeal the Patriot Act. Sluggo, who says you have not been entered into a database some where? All it porbably takes is a call to the local carryout and using a credit card there. Then they could just pick you up without a word and then torture you.( I could hold out I been married too long ) mmmmm That sounds alot like what the Soviet Union did. For all this junk National security letter stuff you would have thought there would have been more things brought out. But wait it is all top secret. Maybe I will be considered a terrorist since I question the government like a real American should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? This is the text of the paper I wrote last semester. Repeal the USA PATRIOT Act On October 25, 2001, the United States House of Representatives voted on and passed House Resolution 3162 entitled “The Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism Act,” better known as the USA PATRIOT Act. This piece of legislation was enacted in response to the September 11th terrorist attacks that destroyed the twin towers of the World Trade Center in New York City and the attack on The Pentagon in Washington, D.C. Despite the overwhelming support the legislation initially received, by members of Congress and the American people, it was not until the bill had been voted on and signed by the president that legislators began to complain that they did not have time to read the bill in its entirety, that the bill was rushed through congress and did not follow the established protocol of enacting legislation, and that the bill undermined the 1st and 4th Amendments of the U.S. Constitution. When a bill sponsored by a member of congress is introduced into the House of Representatives or the Senate, the bill is then referred to the appropriate committees to hold hearings on the implications of the bill. Once the committees approve the bill, the leadership of the respective legislative bodies then schedules the bill for consideration on the floor. After the bill is debated and amended, the bill is then voted on. The proposed bill must be voted on and passed in both houses of congress and must be identical before the bill can be sent to the president for his signature. In the case of the USA PATRIOT Act, many legislators complain that this was not done. The bill was not sent to committees, debated on the floor of each respective house, and was not amended. The bill was authored on October 24, 2001, voted on and passed, on October 25, 2001, and signed by the president on October 26, 2001. If the proper steps had been followed in enacting legislation, and legislators had been allowed to study and analyze the bill, they most likely would have caught two sections that undermine the U.S. Constitution and according to the law, should be considered un-constitutional. Section 213 of the USA PATRIOT Act is listed under the heading: Authority for Delaying Notice of the Execution of a Warrant. This section enables the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), to receive and execute a search warrant without probable cause or reasonable suspicion, and also allows them to keep said search secret without your knowledge that it ever happened. This section violates the Fourth Amendment of the constitution which states that “The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.” Although Section 213 is egregious in its own right, it pales in comparison to the rights that Section 215 violates. Section 215 of the USA PATRIOT Act falls under the heading: Access to Records and Other Items under the Foreign Intelligence Service Act. This section allows the FBI to order any person or entity to turn over any “tangible thing” as long as it is under the guise of an authorized investigation to protect against international terrorism. There is no reasonable suspicion required to investigate someone as being a member of a foreign power or agent of said power. This section violates the First Amendment in that it prohibits the recipients of search orders from telling others that they have been searched and also authorizes the FBI to launch an investigation of someone for exercising their freedom of speech rights guaranteed under the First Amendment. Section 215 also violates the Fourth Amendment in that it fails to provide notice to persons whose privacy has been compromised and also violates due process laws contained in the Fifth Amendment. The rights of all Americans have been compromised for almost the last four years under this piece of legislation. Many people will say that if you have nothing to hide then you should not have anything to worry about. But not having anything to hide is not the reason behind my opposition to this law. I am opposed to this law because it erases the basic freedoms that I as an American believe in and hold dear. When the government starts to peek into your private lives to know what you watch or read, what you send someone in a private e-mail, or what you tell someone on the phone, it becomes a serious breach of privacy that although may not be used against you presently, who is to say that the government will not one day round up the undesirables that oppose the views of the government. It has happened in other countries, one day it may happen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] No, the government can now decide I may be a terrorist, and investigate me fully and completely without me ever knowing about it. they could decide that I need to be looked at more closely, I may be an insurgent, or a budding terrorist. [/ QUOTE ] Are you? [/ QUOTE ] Are you Mike? Heck, you're the one with weapons and survival training. Who's to say that the government isn't keeping tabs on our Special Forces troops just in case they go "haywire", McVeigh was trained in explosives, Eric Rudolph was ex-Green Beret. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? I know You can't trust those Military guys man. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy I was waiting on a response from you [ QUOTE ] What kind of a response is that? [/ QUOTE ] Hey Nut, it's alright man. Me and Slugo often times take hits at each other but they are always friendly. Slugo is a big boy, he can handle them, but thank you for being concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? LOL... Mike and Slugo are at it again.... ,, so what's new ????.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? [ QUOTE ] I know You can't trust those Military guys man. Sometimes we are our own worst enemy I was waiting on a response from you [/ QUOTE ] Upon further review, I should have left you out of the equation Mike, unless you plan on terrorising us with your cooking prowess. Hey, it's been awhile since I've been able to use a cooking jab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted November 7, 2005 Report Share Posted November 7, 2005 Re: Is your privacy important? Don't laugh slugo he tried to bomb me with a pancake and didn't even have the humanity to put syrup on it..... Sorry Mike....I was paid well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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