jdickey Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 New County ordinance is in effect....! SHEEHAN PROTESTORS ARRESTED IN CRAWFORD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! Glad I'm heading out to West Texas for the weekend so I won't have to be around these loonies! BTW, there was one of the peacenicks here at the hospital the other day. This guy looked like he might have just walked out of the 1960's. Long unruly hair, tie-dyed shirt with a peace symbol, sandels, the whole works. He ruined it though by talking on his cell phone! What a complete loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! Ha! You just described about half of Cindy's Circus! Yeah, I'm heading out too... heading to New Mexico to chase some elks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 23, 2005 Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! Hey, good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted November 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! octoberman.... here again... it is the media that has twisted the facts completely! For example this morning, NBC stated that the protesters were arrested for violating "ANTI-DEMONSTRATOR LAWS"! The "county ordinance" that was passed DOES NOT PROHIBIT DEMONSTRATIONS! The "county ordinance" that was passed, and upheld yesterday by Federal Judge Walter S. Smith, does however prohibit the erection of tents, structures, portable potties, the parking, and leaving unattended vehicles along, on, or around the right-of-way. That "county ordinance" that was "extended" for this area is very much a standard in the majority of the communities in this country. That are the facts that the media has failed to mention. Also last summer during Cindy's Circus, on three occasions, emergency vehicles could not pass down the road to attend to victims, one of whom was in very serious condition from heat stroke; the roadway was blocked by the protesters during one of their demonstrations, because the media was there for a Cindy show! The obstruction of EMERGENCY VEHICLES was the PRIMARY ISSUE for extending the ordinance to that area. There are other residents along that roadway besides the President, who were concerned about their safety. BEFORE CINDY'S CIRCUS CAME TO TOWN..... THERE WAS NEVER A WORRY ABOUT HAVING TO EXTEND THAT ORDINANCE! I have several friends who live in Crawford, and several who are members of the McLennan County Sheriffs Department who can tell you facts that will never be on the prime time news, and that were very unsavory about CINDY'S CIRCUS! When you see first hand, how the true facts become completely distorted by the various facets of the MEDIA.... it becomes highly comical! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! glad they were arrested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! I can guarantee that if it had been a Pro-Bush rally out there over the summer that the ordinance would never had been created. I was originally going to post something about this yesterday when I read it, basically what octoberman said, but I couldn't find the right words to convey what I wanted. This ordinance may have been enacted to keep the roadways clear, but as stated earier, I doubt highly it would have been considered had it not been a controversial topic that was not supported by 99.9% of the nearby residents. There are other ways to keep roadways clear, enact an ordinance that keeps them a certain distance from the roadway. If I remember correctly, the campsite moved over the summer to the "private" property of an adjacent landowner, I assume that's where they are now, so I guess land isn't really private in Dubya's neighborhood. Also, last summer, was the roadway blocked because the protesters were in the road, or because people were stopping in the road to yell obscenities at them or run down crosses erected. Arrest the people actually blocking the road and not the ones on the side of the road. Like I said, there are other ways to ensure a clear roadway, maybe the cops there need more traffic management training. But where does it end with this. You can't stifle people's voices, but you can stifle them in other ways. At the Republican National Convention in New York, protesters were put basically in a cage far away from the site where the convention was held in order to stifle them. The most important weapon we have to combat tyrrany is our voices, the current administration can't silence a dissenting voice, as much as they would like to, but they do seem to be adept at making sure a minimum of those voices are heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 24, 2005 Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] In August, hundreds of demonstrators camped off the road during a 26-day protest led by Sheehan, whose 24-year-old soldier son Casey was killed in Iraq last year. But a month later, county commissioners banned camping in any county ditch and parking within 7 miles of the ranch, citing safety and traffic congestion issues. [/ QUOTE ] This is from MSNBC. If this ordinance was passed for the benefit of all county residents and their safety, then why is it specifically targeted for an area of a 7 mile radius from Dubya's ranch. If it was intended to not target a specific group then it would be county wide. According to this ordinance, they could set up camp 7.1 miles from his ranch and be legal, then, once they leave, the commissioners will vote to extend it or make it county wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! I can't wait until Cindy Sheehan gets there and gets arrested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] I can guarantee that if it had been a Pro-Bush rally out there over the summer that the ordinance would never had been created. I was originally going to post something about this yesterday when I read it, basically what octoberman said, but I couldn't find the right words to convey what I wanted. This ordinance may have been enacted to keep the roadways clear, but as stated earier, I doubt highly it would have been considered had it not been a controversial topic that was not supported by 99.9% of the nearby residents. There are other ways to keep roadways clear, enact an ordinance that keeps them a certain distance from the roadway. If I remember correctly, the campsite moved over the summer to the "private" property of an adjacent landowner, I assume that's where they are now, so I guess land isn't really private in Dubya's neighborhood. Also, last summer, was the roadway blocked because the protesters were in the road, or because people were stopping in the road to yell obscenities at them or run down crosses erected. Arrest the people actually blocking the road and not the ones on the side of the road. Like I said, there are other ways to ensure a clear roadway, maybe the cops there need more traffic management training. But where does it end with this. You can't stifle people's voices, but you can stifle them in other ways. At the Republican National Convention in New York, protesters were put basically in a cage far away from the site where the convention was held in order to stifle them. The most important weapon we have to combat tyrrany is our voices, the current administration can't silence a dissenting voice, as much as they would like to, but they do seem to be adept at making sure a minimum of those voices are heard. [/ QUOTE ] I just have a few questions for slugshooter and octoberman. Were you there in Texas over the summer or the past few days at these demonstrations? If not, then how do you know what the protesters did or didn't do? Do you just have a broad paint brush oppinion that if they are anti-Bush then they are not capable of doing anything wrong? If pro-Bush demonstrators had been to one of Mr. Kerry's residences would they have been treated the same or would he have welcomed them into his home? Either side would have done the same thing and all of this petty bickering of every single thing is what is destroying the entire planet. People are too busy stiffling the majority and giving the spotlight to a very small minority. If you really think for one second that news channels care what you think about George Bush or this lady dishonoring her dead son then you are very sadly mistaken. The only thought they want from you involve what channel you're watching and which sponsors products you buy. They could care less about your oppinion whether it is for or against anything they put on the **** tube. But conflict creates emotion and emotion creates action and action creates conflict. They don't employ psych professors for THEIR mental well being. They do it to anylize what the public wants to see. They also have super brain math geeks on the payroll just to cipher your preferences in every possible scenario. I personally don't care what your oppinion is of Bush or me or anyone else as long as you are a nice person and we can talk about the big buck, duck or truck we saw the other day. I would save your life if I could no matter what your political oppinion as long as you are not a killer, molester or psycho tring to kill or hurt me or my family. My requirements are just that... They are mine not yours and I own them and I am willing to share as long as you ask me to. Just letting you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted November 25, 2005 Report Share Posted November 25, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! P.S. I want to hear your oppinions as long as you are willing to hear mine. I want to provoke thought as much as I want my thoughts provoked. Please just don't assume you know me because I definately won't assume I know you. That's what marriage and best friends are for. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] Sadly SS, most will never grasp the impotance of your comment above because their partisanship, and willinging submission to corrupt agenda's has left them in bondage, and void of independant thought. [/ QUOTE ] Impota(e)nce is correct. And our partisanship to the current administration's corrupt agenda is any different than your partisanship to... let's see - maybe the last administration's corruption? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6sixpoint_nobrows Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! i am about half sick of hearing about the losers getting arrested becuase they think they are cute camping out nea rour presidents ranch....iv got news for everyone that thinks we need to get out of iraq...we cant just leave in the middle of the war, the iron's in the fire, you cant just back out, we need to finish this thing or else there wouldnt even of been a reason to go over there in the first place....those anti war politicians need to stop bashing our president and start backing him..im not saying he is a perfect guy, but can you tell me who could do a better job...sure as heck not john kerry! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] I just have a few questions for slugshooter and octoberman. Were you there in Texas over the summer or the past few days at these demonstrations? If not, then how do you know what the protesters did or didn't do? [/ QUOTE ] Nope, didn't have to be there to know what they did. They obviously violated a new county ordinance that bans camping in ditches within 7 miles of the Presidents ranch for "safety" reasons. The issue is not whether or not they did or did not do what they were arrested for, the issue is this new ordinance that was enacted after the summer protests so they wouldn't be able to get too close. My issue is if they are going to enact an ordinance like this to try and stifle the voices of the protesters, they should have just made it county wide, because obviously, it is OK to sleep in a ditch 7.1 miles from Dubya's ranch. My other issue with this whole deal is this administration has a history of not wanting to hear any dissenting opinions. Thats why every single person during last years campaign in the "town hall" meetings where they got to ask the President a question was a hand picked conservative who had to sign a loyalty oath to gain entrance into wherever the meeting was being held. This same administration that is supposed to support your rights will gladly have you ushered out of the room if you dare ask a question that may be critical of their policies. This administration doesn't know what the 1st Amendment is. [ QUOTE ] Do you just have a broad paint brush oppinion that if they are anti-Bush then they are not capable of doing anything wrong? [/ QUOTE ] A broad paint brush opinion of a certain group, why, that sounds a lot like many people on here. Conservatives and Liberals alike are just as capable of breaking the law as the next guy. Do you have a broad paint brush opinion that George Bush can do no wrong? Do you form the same opinion of members of the opposing party? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Sadly SS, most will never grasp the impotance of your comment above because their partisanship, and willinging submission to corrupt agenda's has left them in bondage, and void of independant thought. [/ QUOTE ] Impota(e)nce is correct. And our partisanship to the current administration's corrupt agenda is any different than your partisanship to... let's see - maybe the last administration's corruption? [/ QUOTE ] How do you even know if octoberman voted for Clinton or supported his administration? I didn't support Clinton while he was in office and didn't truly appreciate the Clinton years until after I voted for George Bush in 2000 and learned to regret it a few years later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 26, 2005 Report Share Posted November 26, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] I am about half sick of hearing about the losers getting arrested because they think they are cute camping out near our presidents ranch.... [/ QUOTE ] I don't think they are out there because they think they are cute, most likely they are out there because they don't agree with the Presidents policies or decisions and therefore have a right to be there under the 1st Amendment, but apparently McClennen County ordinances are allowed to supercede. [ QUOTE ] I've got news for everyone that thinks we need to get out of Iraq...we cant just leave in the middle of the war, the iron's in the fire, you cant just back out, we need to finish this thing or else there wouldnt even of been a reason to go over there in the first place.... [/ QUOTE ] Thanks for the news flash. Most of the people who call for an immediate withdrawal of troops are those not involved in politics in any way professionally. They are the common people like Cindy Sheehan that stage rallies and protests. It is a common political tactic nonetheless, the easiest way to get what you really want is to fight for something unattainable. They yell for immediate withdrawal, but what they probably want is gradual pullouts, much like conservatives will fight for an all out ban on abortion, will it be totally outlawed, probably not, but it could get severely restricted more so than it is now. As far as politicians go. I have yet to hear one say there needs to be an immediate withdrawal. Everyone I have heard speak out against the war wants gradual pullouts, because everyone knows you can't pull them all out overnight. [ QUOTE ] those anti war politicians need to stop bashing our president and start backing him.. [/ QUOTE ] Why? Why should a politician support a President he doesn't agree with? If that were the case then there would be no political parties (which could be a good thing.) How about the pro-war politicians stop blindly believing everything Dubya says, man, that would turn Washington up on it's end. It would probably create a paradox and destroy the universe. [ QUOTE ] I'm not saying he is a perfect guy, but can you tell me who could do a better job...sure as heck not John Kerry! [/ QUOTE ] What's John Kerry have to do with all this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
py_archer Posted November 27, 2005 Report Share Posted November 27, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! It's in vain though. They know what they want to believe and they're not going to let reality get in the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! here's a thought. lets assume the very same folks arrived at the very same location to have a prayer revival. i'll bet slugshooter & octoberman would now be totally against their above statements. we certainly know the libs in general would fight it. protesting: good. prayer:bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
6sixpoint_nobrows Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! this is gettin good...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] here's a thought. lets assume the very same folks arrived at the very same location to have a prayer revival. i'll bet slugshooter & octoberman would now be totally against their above statements. we certainly know the libs in general would fight it. protesting: good. prayer:bad [/ QUOTE ] Here's a thought. Apparently you haven't read octobermans signature, and you obviously know nothing about me. I have no problem with prayer, I pray quite often, how about you steve? What I do have a problem with is state sponsored prayer that is forced on people who don't necessarily believe in the God I believe in. Freedom of Religion, remember? Oh wait, that doesn't exist in Dubya's America either. Freedom of speech means the same for everybody, not just what is considered acceptable at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! OK, back to the original issue of the Protesters and the County Ordinance... There is absolutely nothing in the ordinance that says people can't show up and protest (or counter-protest) as much as they wish. If they choose to be there anytime of the day or night, that's fine. They just can't erect tents, park campers, or otherwise obstruct traffic. So what's the first thing the protesters do? They set up a bunch of tents on the side of the road and sit in the tents waiting for the Sheriff's Deputies to show up and arrest them. An obvious attempt at grabbing media attention. BTW - There are plenty of hotel/motel rooms available in the area, along with a number of public campgrounds that they could be using. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! I thought my last post was very open-minded and well thought out. I didn't realize I was so Bush bias in what I stated earlier. I never said I voted for Bush or against him. I just don't understand what this woman is trying to do. I know she will get a book deal or a movie made about her son, but where will that money go? I bet she didn't turn down the $450,000.00 insurance policy she was given when her son died. She is already being funded by the same groups that fund anti hunting and anti just about everything else and now she is pushing for what? I could understand more if her son was DRAFTED and killed as many protests occured that same way during Vietnam but he went williningly and most likely against her wishes. Maybe this is her attempt at grieving or trying to make up for what she feels was a failure in letting him go. One thing I don't believe is that she protested this war before her son was killed. I think she supported this like 85% of America, along with the same congressman who are now so against it. I think she only felt this way after her son died. The thing that bothers me is I never heard her making one single news release when the first soldier died or the 1000th soldier died. Only when it affected her did she suddenly stand up for all soldiers. I think that someone from a newscrew saw what a golden opportunity it was to find this big mouthed "I Hate George W. Bush" toting mother. For one thing, she hated Bush from the get go and what better way for the news people to make news than to get the sympathy vote. This is just one more way for Dems to get their agenda out and to divide this nation. Oh, and to answer your question on what Kerry has to do with this, he is one of the big mouths using this as another example of why we should have elected him. One other thing that you tried to change my words around on... without looking it up on the net, what's her son's name and rank and division? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] One other thing that you tried to change my words around on... without looking it up on the net, what's her son's name and rank and division? [/ QUOTE ] Casey Sheehan. PFC I believe but not sure, not sure what unit he was in. What about you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! [ QUOTE ] I think that someone from a newscrew saw what a golden opportunity it was to find this big mouthed "I Hate George W. Bush" toting mother. For one thing, she hated Bush from the get go and what better way for the news people to make news than to get the sympathy vote. This is just one more way for Dems to get their agenda out and to divide this nation. [/ QUOTE ] I wanted to make a comment on this one statement as octoberman beat me to the punch on the whole thing. As far as the news media liberal this and liberal that. I find it funny that everyone claims the news media is so liberally biased, and yes, there is some liberal bias in some news outlets, but honestly, I see that more in print news than anywhere else. It seems to me that most news shows on television and radio have a more conservative bias than will be admitted. Just for example Sean Hannity (Radio and TV), Tucker Carlson, Robert Novak, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Neal Boortz, Michael Savage, the whole FOX News crew...I'm sure I am leaving out a few. Most of what these people say are so utterly divisive it makes me sick. I listened to Mike Savage the other night, he was railing against an Arab group that murdered someone in the UK, his term of choice for them "Paki Scum." Some of these so called "conservative" commentators are some of the most hateful people I have ever heard or read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Re: THE PARTY HAS STARTED! Hey Octoberman, If you hate Republicans and you hate the Democrats and you hate just about everybody else then what is it that you like. You seem very anti-World. Do you just get a thrill out of throwing around allegations of every kind to everyone or does your mind work in a big circle of hate. I also wonder why you took it upon yourself to anylize every portion of what I write as if it's your personal agenda to try and make me seem like a bad person. I have never personally attacked your views but you seem to attack mine at every corner saying I am corrupt and more or less stupid. I only addressed questions to you and SS but you seem to want to throw the gloves off at the first statement that differs from your oppinion. WOW. I guess accusations are your specialty with no real proof. I bet you have a cosmpiracy theory for why butter melts in the microwave too huh? Notice I still never stated a specific news crew or which side I voted or if I even voted. I guess you will believe what you want about whoever you want no matter what huh? I guess I'd like to end this little conversation by saying you need a hug really bad!!! Maybe from Miss Sheehan. LOL Have a nice day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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