VermontHunter Posted December 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont I'll be the first to admitt, that the information on this incident is still coming out in small pieces.... I'm just looking at it this way.... Just think what 250yrds. actually is... Alot of people have front yards larger than 250yrds... Most hunters can group rounds 1/2" to 1" at 250yrds. And so on.... But 4 men can't see a large 4 wheel drive tractor sitting on a wood line overlooking a huge flat corn piece... I find this hard to believe, but again I wasn't there..... And if their intentions where to shoot at this tractor wether it was occupied or not is still neglagent IMO But I will say this ... I know how the media loves to embelish things,,,, so maybe my comments are abit premature to say the least,,,,, So lets not make this a Luke roast .....I based my opinion on this as many others did,,, and that was what was written in the local papers that I have supplied links too,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest buddy ahart Posted December 9, 2005 Report Share Posted December 9, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont I agree with Vtbowman i would say it was a hunting accident but if they were shooting at the tractor then i would say it wasent but just think of the guilt this kid has to live with.Maybe the tractor was 250 yards away threw 2 or 3 treelines and he couldnt see it think about it it dosent seem like it was in an open feild plus think about the heigth factor between the cab of a tractor and a deer running in a feild. Im not saying the kids inocent but the fact that he shot someone is a pretty big punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont [ QUOTE ] Jesus! You and Vtbowhunter are real pieces of work. You got an 18 year old kid who seemingly made a mistake and volunteered that he had been in the area and the two of you wanna fry his ****. He could have been like the rest of these idiots and sat his butt at home and not said a word. I hope for your sakes you never end up in a position like him with people like you two around. Smarten up. OOOps I misspoke. Nice [/ QUOTE ] I said " IF he intended to shoot the tractor". You can bet I will NEVER be in the spot he's in because I know what's there and what's not. I hunt primarily with a bow and I'ld have to be blind not to know what I'm shooting. When I first heard about this thing I knew why they came forward so quickly. It has to do with the first fatal shooting here in Vermont this year. That guy kept his mouth shut and fled and is now going away for a long time. These guys just figured they better come forward fast or they could end up like the the guy that's in deeper then he needed to be. Now with all that said.........why should I feel bad for the shooter.....sure it may have been a mistake, but it was a fatal one and he's entirely to blame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont That is really sad. Not legal to hunt from any motorized vehicles here, but I could not imagine getting shot at or shot while on my tractor. Sounds like involuntary manslaughter. If the 18 year old intentionally shot at the tractor, he should get what he deserves. Just because he does in fact have a conscience and he fessed up does not undo the damage he has done. Never fire a weapon at anything you do not intend to kill or detroy, know your target and what is beyond it, NO EXCUSES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 10, 2005 Report Share Posted December 10, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont [ QUOTE ] The statement was one round hit the tractor and two cases were found. The 18 yr old spots a deer standing at 150 yrds with the tractor in the background. He takes a shot and misses. the bullet hits the tractor. the deer runs off he takes a second shot. theres your two cases and one hit. He should have considered the tractor in the background. He didn't. You are talking like he intentionally shot at the tractor and willfully shot the farmer. Nothing in the articles stated that was the case. I made a point of him being 18 to show his inexperience not to condone what he did. And NO i wouldn't have the same outlook if it was my relative. Did he intentionally shoot at the tractor? It was a hunting accident from all the information that was posted. The third post says the police aren't sure if the tractor was a target. By the information that was posted it was an accident. If further information comes out and they find that the tractor was a target then fine. Lock him up and throw away the key. [/ QUOTE ] This is my take too. It all depoends on if he and the boys were screwing around and shooting willfully at the "tractor". I still feel even if that were the case, they did not know someone was in it. However if they were shooting at the tractor then yes he should be hammered. If it was he shot and missed a deer a coupel times then he should still get punished for not being carefull or mindful about "beyond" his target but still the end result speaks volumns here. If it was an accidental stray shot then he is getting to much punishment, if he was shooting at the tractor then its not enough. JMOs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont I finally read an article on this that didn't come from that joke of a paper known as the Burlington Freepress. In the Rutland Herald it clearly states, that both human, AND deer tracks were found 300 yards away from the tractor in the exact spot that the individuals involved said they would be. Seems that it could be an extremely unthinkable accident.....with that, I'll retract what I stated before. They do need to pay for what happened, but not as severely as I earlier stated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont Georgia teen pleads not guilty in hunting accident December 13, 2005 ST. ALBANS, Vt. --A Georgia man has pleaded not guilty to shooting a St. Albans farmer while hunting last month. Alerts Collin Viens, 18, said he accidentally shot into a tractor on Nov. 23. Rejean Lussier, 60, who was sitting in the cab of his tractor, was killed. Viens has been charged with involuntary manslaughter. Franklin County State's Attorney Jim Hughes said Monday that Lussier's family wanted Viens to be held in state custody saying he was a danger to the community although the state had not requested that Viens be held. Judge James Crucitti released Viens on the condition that he not buy, have or use any guns. Viens also is probihited from contacting the Lussier family. Lussier was found dead with a bullet hole in his chest in the cab of his tractor around 8 p.m. on Nov. 23. He had left his home hours before to hunt deer. Police said they found deer and human prints about 250 feet away from the tractor, court documents said. The next morning, Viens and his father came to the site of the shooting. Viens told investigators that he saw the tractor in Lussier's field and thought someone had left it there for the day. He said he didn't intend to shoot the tractor. But later that day he told investigators that he had aimed at the tractor when a round was fired. If convicted, he faces up to 15 years in prison and a $3,000 fine. Information from: The Burlington Free Press, http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com I refrain from making futher comments and let this one play out,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: SAD Hunting Accident In Vermont Forgot to add that the Channel 3 news also had this same story last night.... and accordding to them these statements came from the court transcripts... Either way this washes out I have to agree,, this is sad on both parts... The victim and the shooter.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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