Where can I send the ammo?

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I have to agree, but in all fairness I do feel bad for the guys wife, who had to watch it all unfold... Had I been there nothing would have been done differently, But mark my word you will soon see questionares at check in counters refering to any meds that a person is or shoulld be taking.

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This is the man's name.... Rigoberto Alpizar, age 44

And this is the story behind the shooting....

Man Dies in Airline Threat

A passenger is shot and killed by air marshals in Miami after saying he had a bomb in his bag. He reportedly suffered from mental illness.

By John-Thor Dahlburg, Times Staff Writer

MIAMI — An agitated passenger who boarded an Orlando-bound airliner and claimed to have a bomb in his backpack was shot and killed Wednesday by federal air marshals, authorities said.

Two marshals on board the plane at Miami International Airport confronted Rigoberto Alpizar, 44, who tried to escape by running to the jetway. The marshals went after him, but he refused to obey their orders to get down on the ground and was shot when he tried to reach into his backpack, authorities said.

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Officers detonated the backpack, which contained no explosives. James E. Bauer, special agent in charge of the Federal Air Marshal Service's Miami field office, would not say how many shots were fired or whether Alpizar, a U.S. citizen, was shot while on the plane or in the passageway.

According to a witness who was seated in the third row of the coach section, four to five gunshots rang out, terrifying passengers on the American Airlines Boeing 757.

Mary Gardner told a Miami television station that a woman who was traveling with Alpizar screamed: "My husband, my husband!" Gardner said the woman also said that he suffered from bipolar disorder and hadn't taken his medication.

After the gunfire, Gardner said, police boarded the jetliner and told everyone to put their hands on their heads.

"It was quite scary," Gardner said. "They wouldn't let you move. They wouldn't let you take anything out of your bag."

The passengers were later escorted off the plane and onto a bus. Authorities spread their bags out on the tarmac and had dogs sniff them for explosives. Bomb squad members blew up at least two bags.

It was the first time since security was tightened after the Sept. 11 terrorist hijackings that air marshals had fired their firearms, said other marshals who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not allowed to talk to the media.

Before the 2001 attacks, there were 33 air marshals. Because anonymity is key to its mission, the Federal Air Marshal Service does not release its personnel numbers, but it is estimated to have 2,000 agents.

Bauer said an investigation of Wednesday's shooting was underway, but that the regulation dictating when marshals can use their weapons was "the same for any law enforcement officer: when there's a threat — a life threat."

"Anytime somebody threatens the passengers, crew or themselves, you can use your weapon," said one of the air marshals who refused to be identified. "If that guy had a bag and was screaming that he had a bomb, you're justified to use deadly force."

Alpizar, who lived in Maitland, Fla., had flown into Miami earlier in the day from Quito, Ecuador.

He was scheduled to take American Airlines Flight 924, which originated in Medellin, Colombia, to Orlando. There were 120 passengers and crew on board.

After the incident, Bauer said, air marshals were sent to airports throughout the United States in case the bomb threat was part of a coordinated action.

"There is no reason to believe right now that there is any nexus to terrorism — or that indeed any other events are associated with this one," Bauer said.

Andy Apollony, assistant agent in charge in the FBI's Miami office, said the agency, which has jurisdiction over crimes committed aboard U.S. airliners, was seeking more information about Alpizar.

"Anytime there's an individual on a plane or stepping aboard a plane that says he has a bomb, we're going to be interested in that" for a potential terrorism threat, Apollony said.

Authorities had not confirmed that Alpizar had been suffering from psychological problems, said Rick Thomas, who is in charge of Transportation Security Administration operations at the Miami airport.

Relatives told reporters that Alpizar had been on vacation in Peru; one neighbor who said he had been asked to watch the family's home described the vacation as a missionary trip.

And I would have to agree,, these air marshals did what he needed to do, to protect the saftey of every passenger on that plane and in the airport...

This story was copy and pasted from this link..

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-plane8dec08,1,1553682.story?ctrack=1&cset=true

I also thank them for their service and dedication to our saftey, when we choose to fly the skies..... They need our support to do a very difficult job....

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Nah, wait......the guy didn't sound right. He was singing some "come down moses" song and was very agitated. Before the plane was going to take off, he ran out the plane and up the jetway....nothing wrong with that necessarily.

Some passengers are now screaming racism on the part of the marshalls and some are saying he DIDN'T say bomb. I dunno.

I won't second guess those Marshalls. As my Dad taught me, there are often unintended consequences to your actions, chose them wisely. I sincerely doubt that shooting this guy was tops on their agenda for the day. They did what they thought was right and I will never say they were wrong.

Had he really had a bomb and ran into the concourse and set it off, everyone would be screaming that Bush and the Marshall program failed.

Bottom line, there are those in America that believe defending yourself--regardless of the threat--is wrong. Led by perky Katie Couric who asked "did they have to shoot to kill". What a skank.

This guy's actions--sinister or not, using the Bomb word or not--caused his demise. But on the other hand, I won't celebrate his death because it looks like a case of him not being right in the mind.

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Well, to clarify, I feel bad for everyone involved.

It turns out that this dude wasn't a terrorist and wasn't out to harm anyone. He was obviously unbalanced on some level.

As for taking meds, you can't make someone take their medication. Having known that he was visibly agitated before entering the plane in the first place, I might have tried to get him something to sedate him from a doctor or something.

This sounds like a real tragedy all the way around. Those marshalls will never be the same--I know they wanted to find something menacing in that bag so there wouldn't be any doubt about what they did.

No doubt about it, this guy should have had better handlers and it was really no one's fault it looks like.

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Heard about that on the radio yesterday, they did not say anything about the guy who was shot other than he claimed to have had a bomb and that the plane was headed to Orlando from Colombia though, and they also praised the marshall for doing his job as do I.

Whether the man had psych issues or not, at that very point in time the marshal had to make the decision to end another human life, other peoples lives were possibly at stake. Tragic or not the marshal did what he had to do.

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It would be nice if that sends a message to every other wacko that thinks there gonna mess with the USA. The only people i feel sorry for is the family of the guy and the air marshal, because that has to be a tough issue to deal with.

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Let's get one thing straight here.....I am not blasting the Marshalls at all. They did their job and I am not faulting them one bit. If they didn't shoot him and he did make it into the concourse with a bomb that could be a hundred lives gone.

As it turns out, it just appears to be a tragedy for everyone involved. No bomb, the second guessing of the media, his obvious mental problems. He wasn't a 'bad' guy, just someone unbalanced---I know the Marshalls really wanted him to be a terrorist since they had to use deadly force.

The real fault lies with his wife, IMHO. She knew his condition and that he was off his meds. She knew ahead of time he was overtly nervous, etc. She should have kept him off the plane.

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