buckee Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Nothing burns me more than this. I know an old guy who does the same thing. If the deer doesn't fall in his tracks, then he just shrugs his shoulders and says he missed. Then there's the 70 yard shots he makes at trophy bucks with 00buckshot, with no guilt feelings at all when the deer runs off with a few pellets in it, never to be seen again. I don't know how many deer I've harvested that ran off like they were perfectly fine, only to drop dead 60 to 100 yards away. Guys like that shouldn't be allowed to hunt, IMO By the way...welcome to the Realtree forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness Icant stand slobs that do that!! we had a neighbor kid shoot and leave the feild this year,, no checking out the trail at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbarnhart20 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness There's a guy like that that hunts where my family does, it's my pap's step-son. But anyways if he doesn't see it fall he doesn't even look. The last 3 yrs. we've found dead deer on the property because he tells us where he shot it so then we go find the blood trail and end up finding the deer. And on the property we hunt the owner doesn't want us shooting any small bucks or does. Becuase the pop. has decreased the last few years a little and this yr. the guy shot a 4 pt. and his son shot a doe!!!!!! I can't stand it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_drop Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness Have done the same although it was on my cousins property someone was tresspassing. Ended up finding 150 class 8 point. Pissed me off and my cousin ended up finding out who it was as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoyt_hunter Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness that's ridiculous, i've spent hours on a blood trail, snow would have been great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AllArmyoutdoorsSD Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I find it hard to believe people would concider calling themselves sportsman, when leaving an animals on the ground. I had to track my "hills" buck this for about 3 miles. My shot was high and only hit one lung. The blood was sparse but I had to press on. I couldn't stand the thought of wounding an animal. As sportsman it is "OUR" responsibility to make corrections when we can and teach our youth the right ways to continue our life style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller66 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I hate that, at least someone was good enough to go and pick them up. any pics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NY_Bowhunter14 Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness i think we all have stories like this... My neghbor was hunting way back in 1988 when he seen a big 9 point w/ a droptine... the deer was about 80 yards broadside, he raised his gun and just as he found the deer in the crosshairs... he hears a BOOM!, he knew it wasnt him but he did see that same deer got hit and run off. He looks about 150 yards to his left and sees some idiot in orange waving his hands in the air, probably in excitement... needless to say my neighbor wasnt happy so he unloaded his gun into a stump about 45 yards away to get the guys attention... The guy saw him but never confronted him... he seen the guy walk off towards his trophy... 3 days later my neighbor went back out hunting and he came upon that very same deer he was going to shoot at, not 70 yards away from where it was hit... it really ticks me off... not to mention that idiot that killed the deer was about twice as far awy than my neighbor when he shot it... my neighbor cut off the rack... it ended up scoring 105 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdvantageTimberLou Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness sad to see slobs like that in the woods we all share. If you going to shoot a buck, any size, even if its a doe, you owe it to that animal to track it to the very best of you ability and find it. Just because it does not drop in its tracks does not mean you didn't hit or kill it. Give off your butt and start tracking. Its slobs like that, that ruin hunting for everyone of us that play by the rules! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness [ QUOTE ] Guys like that shouldn't be allowed to hunt, IMO [/ QUOTE ] Feel the same way. While I am not the best tracker and I have lost a few, we do everything we can to recover every deer. Another thing that burns me is the idiots who wound deer taking multiple shots on moving deer repeatedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I cant imagine not even going over to check for blood/hair/anything! Man what the heck are these guys out there for? Just to shoot at something live?!?! I do EVERYTHING I can to find a deer once shot at. Even if it looked as if it were missed. Make me sick to hear storyies like this. Good for you for finding the buck(s)...!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness [ QUOTE ] I cant imagine not even going over to check for blood/hair/anything! Man what the heck are these guys out there for? Just to shoot at something live?!?! I do EVERYTHING I can to find a deer once shot at. Even if it looked as if it were missed. [/ QUOTE ] Took the words out of my mouth Shawn. Good grief, all those hours pursuing your game and the dummy doesn't follow up his shot? What an idiot. Obviously these sort of dummies don't have any woodsmanship skills whatsoever. Having snow on the ground makes it that much more of an easy tracking job too. Lazy fools! Sounds like hunter safety courses ought to include some detailed guidance on follwoing up the shot and tracking skills. Fortunately I don't recall ever encountering those sort of fools down here. We cut shirttails for misses down here so the last thing one of the guys hunting our place wants to do is loose the back of his shirt. They will ask for help to look before conceding to a miss. Never thought of it this way but its a little added incentive to always follow up the shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness This post is making me sicker and sicker the more I read it!!!! I wounded a big 8 point with my bow about 4 years ago. it him high. My father and I tracked this deer from 11:00 am to dark. Then the next day from 7:00 am to dark. The only reason I had to stop is because my legs started to have severe spazms. We had lost the blood trail and walked a grid for about 13 hours. No deer. But a valiant effort. I could not sleep for 3 nights thinking I killed a deer, especially a big one and did not find it. This is the difference betwen us and them. We have a mutual respect for the animals we hunt. The idiots all of you are talking about are scumbags, and definatually should not be able to hunt!!!! They just fire away and don't give a crap!!!! There are hunters who are just plain lazy, have no work ethic and think they know it all. --Rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness Remember, you can't regulate stupidity.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam16 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I got mad at my dad for something similar this season. I was in college so i didnt go one of the weekend trips, and at this particular area u are required to shoot a doe first, before a buck. So a young doe came by, my dad shot it. Later they went to recover it and the blood trail was getting sparse, and just when they were out of blood, they ran into another hunter in the stand. My dad felt horrible for that so he left the area and didnt look any more for the deer. I yelled at him and his respense, which made me even more mad was, "it was just a doe." To me, a living animal is a living animal, no matter if it's a trophy, or not. Anyways, i wouldnt have let that fly had i been there. I hope this doesnt offend anyone, becuz it';s a complete stereotype, and im sure none of you guys fall into this category, but it seems to me that gun hunters are a totally different breed than bowhunters. I dont think as many bowhunters would be guilty of stuff like this. A lot of people dont belong in the woods only hunt with a gun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mathews4 Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness Hunters should always follow up after a shot. Hard tellin what you might find. If a hunter isnt responsible enough to follow up on a shot then they arent responsible enough to be hunting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness [ QUOTE ] I hope this doesnt offend anyone, becuz it';s a complete stereotype, and im sure none of you guys fall into this category, but it seems to me that gun hunters are a totally different breed than bowhunters. I dont think as many bowhunters would be guilty of stuff like this. A lot of people dont belong in the woods only hunt with a gun. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with you. There are people who use both weapons who are "shooters", but not hunters. A true hunter knows that the tracking job doesn't end when the blood trail ends. I know of a guy that has lost multiple bucks this year, with the bow, and it really burns me up. Anyone can make a bad shot, and lose a deer. it happens, weather we like it or not, It's unfortunate, but it's a fact. But, when you make bad hits on 4 bucks, and don't recover any of them, you really need to start rethinking your hunting. You need to practice more, or read up on blood trailing, or find someone with blood trailing experience to help you. I take hunting and recovering an animal a lot more serious then a lot of people do. I have lost one doe that i hit far back with the bow, and the coyotes found her before I did. That was over a year ago, and it still bothers me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Xen Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness i think it is good practice when hunting to go to the spot where the deer was and follow the trail for a bit, even if you don't see blood right away. i shot at a 2 point once, and would have sworn b the way he acted when i shot, that i hit him. i walked to where he was and looked around, found his trail and started following him. after close to 100 yards, i found the first drop of blood. after another 50 yards i found another drop, after i had gone another 50 i heard BOOM, and some guy shot it. more out of curiosity, i continued along the trail to find that another hunter made a better shot that I did. the deer was slightly angled away from me when i shot, and i grazed his fron shoulder. i'm sure he would have lived, but it's better to go home feeling good that you went and looked for it at least. i'd rather know for sure if i missed or left some poor animal out to die because i was too lazy to do a little hiking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whttlbucksteve Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I feel you need to give all that you have and then go back and look some more.When i first started hunting I shot a really nice 8 point 130 class that was my first deer.Hitting it back to far it ran off.After tracking it with friends,they found it but someone else was dragging it out of the woods.When asked if he shot it he said no but he was taking it eventhough he was told it was my deer.That and not looking for what you shot are just bad on the sport.Take the time needed to make sure you find the animal you shot.If you hunt it give it the respect and find the thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muggs Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I think the only true way to kill a buck is to grab a hold of his antlers and at the same time stab his jugular vein and then wrestle with him for 20 minutes. Not sure what type of man it would take to accomplish this feat, but they're out there I'm sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguide Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness Was thinking the same thing Muggs lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness [ QUOTE ] I think the only true way to kill a buck is to grab a hold of his antlers and at the same time stab his jugular vein and then wrestle with him for 20 minutes. Not sure what type of man it would take to accomplish this feat, but they're out there I'm sure. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, and you don't have to worry about a blood trail that way either .....LOL I don't know what kind of nut would hunt that way either, besides a caveman ...do you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smitteken Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness I have a very close friend whos family is notorious for doing this. His grandpa who is way to old to hunt did that on a 140 class buck during the first gun season 2 years ago. They found him 40 yards away the second season. He didn't even try to find it. We had a heated debate over that. I told him his grandpa is too old to hunt. What burns me is they won't let me bowhunt because they say there aren't enough deer. But I guess theres enough to shoot and let lay. My friend did that this year too. He "missed" 3 deer one morning. He didn't even bother to look for blood. He always says "they didn't act like they were hit." Its hard tellin if any of those deer made it further than 50 yards away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ladydiehard Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I hope this doesnt offend anyone, becuz it';s a complete stereotype, and im sure none of you guys fall into this category, but it seems to me that gun hunters are a totally different breed than bowhunters. I dont think as many bowhunters would be guilty of stuff like this. A lot of people dont belong in the woods only hunt with a gun. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree with you. There are people who use both weapons who are "shooters", but not hunters. A true hunter knows that the tracking job doesn't end when the blood trail ends. I know of a guy that has lost multiple bucks this year, with the bow, and it really burns me up. Anyone can make a bad shot, and lose a deer. it happens, weather we like it or not, It's unfortunate, but it's a fact. But, when you make bad hits on 4 bucks, and don't recover any of them, you really need to start rethinking your hunting. You need to practice more, or read up on blood trailing, or find someone with blood trailing experience to help you. I take hunting and recovering an animal a lot more serious then a lot of people do. I have lost one doe that i hit far back with the bow, and the coyotes found her before I did. That was over a year ago, and it still bothers me. [/ QUOTE ] I know plenty of bowhunters that not only fail to properly trail a wounded deer but also knowingly take bad shots. Bad shots result in wounded, unfound deer. Some of these "bad shot" takers have admitted their bad shots on this forum. Pointing fingers at gun hunters as being the most guilty in regards to "unethical laziness" is definitely off the mark. I always check the area thoroughly after shooting...even if I believe I missed. One never knows. I teach the beginners that I take out to do the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted December 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Re: Unethical laziness [ QUOTE ] "they didn't act like they were hit." [/ QUOTE ] Famous last words eh. I can't count how many deer I have shot with bow and gun, that never acted like they were hit, but all fatalities. I have also shot many deer with bow and gun, that never left a blood-trail. Some just a few drops, some nothing, but all dead deer. In this case you just have to do a proper grid search until you are Completely satisfied that you missed it clean. It takes me a few hours of searching before I can convince myself that I actually missed clean, or that the animal will live if I grazed it, in which case I always walk out of the bush with my head hanging low. Thing is, if you have your gun and bow all sighted in good and you make a shot on an animal, I always find it hard to believe I missed until I can prove it to myself. These kinds of people shouldn't be hunting. They're just target practiser's, not hunters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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