slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 and mind you I said interesting, because it is not in the least surprising, is how many people have taken my recent posts out of context. I post a map from MSNBC showing how close the states actually were by blending the two colors, and I am told to quit crying and get over it, that the election is over, when I never said anything about the election or whined about it, if I were going to whine about it I would find some cockamamy story about voter fraud or intimidation and post that, which, those things may or may not have happened, but what's the point. If anything after the election I never said one word about being pissed off, granted I was dismayed, but not to the point of therapy or anything. I post something about the major battle going on in Fallujah right now and think it ironic that Bush claimed major operations were over, " Mission Accomplished" and I am told to quit whining and get over it, the election is over. And then I make a remark about how Bush won the 50,000$ and up income bracket and how it wasn't surprising and the fact that I make less than that, and my fiance and my mother and most everyone else I know, and God forbid I might have taken it the wrong way, maybe feeling that somehow my vote shouldn't count because oh, look, the poor people supported Kerry, and I am lambasted about how I quit my job without a plan and this and that when I never mentioned my job, all I mentioned was how much I stand to make this year and it gets turned around and twisted to me complaining about how I want a handout and this and that and don't want to work for anything. Well, all I have been doing all my life is working for something, working to pay bills and put food on the table and be able to once in awhile get a chance to go hunting or something. My work and school keeps me away from my fiance to the point where the only time I see her is when I come home and go to bed, if I am lucky I see her before I go to work, I have a Grandmother who is getting ready to start chemo again and she might be here next Christmas and a Grandfather that has Alzheimers that is progressing so fast that in the last 6 months he has forgotten how to hang a curtain rod or even what town he lives in and a 20 year old truck that I just spent a couple hundred dollars on that enables me to get back and forth to the job I actually like even if it doesn't pay much and to school so I can try to make something out of this pathetic excuse of a life, and I still don't have heat in it so now I get to make the 15 mile drive home at night freezing my keester off just so I can get a few hours sleep until I have to get up and go to class and start the whole mess over again. So excuse me if I seem a little on edge, but don't try to judge me and put words in my mouth that I didn't type and didn't even think about bringing up until you inconsiderate know it alls that think you know me better than you know yourselves open your mouths. You guys are happy that Bush won, woo friggin hoo, I just wonder if that stem cell research he banned could have eventually saved my Grandfather and my family the pain they are going through right now, I wonder how many children the No Child Left Behind act that is unfunded to fund the war in Iraq that he lied about are going to get left behind. I wonder how many more jobs are going to be outsourced under his watch, there's about 330 people looking for work here now because the Black and Decker plant here outsourced their jobs, I wonder how many people who don't have health insurance and can't afford prescription drugs and who could have gotten them from Canada won't get better because the Bush Admin put a stop to it, or how about the person of another race who is denied acceptance to college or a home loan based solely on the color of their skin because Affirmative Action will have been done way with, or the child who is ridiculed and told he is evil because he doesn't pray to the same God that Bush supposedly does and is forced to pray to a God he doesn't believe in. If these above statements make me a bleeding heart liberal, then so be it and I am proud of it, I would rather worry about those things then worry about what type of semi-automatic gun I can buy and how big of a clip I can put in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... Ok, now your whining.I didnt say a word in those other posts and I really thought some of the comments directed at you were outta line, but after reading this one I can see maybe they werent.You are still feeling sorry for yourself and blaming the president. Guesse what, Im also driving a 20 yr old truck.In the last three years Ive buried two uncles and my grandpa, all died of cancer.Ive got three kids and make under 20,000$ a year, we are getting by.One of my kids may or may not have mental problems because he has to much fluid around his brain, but its a wait and see game, that sound like fun?The same kid is almost 8 months old and hasnt crawled or walked, or tried to talk or any of the normal things babies do. My oldest son got his first deer last month.Found out a couple weeks later he might need surgery on his legs because they turn in to far and are getting worse.The doctors here have ignored it and told us he was fine for 9 yrs, the specialist that saw him wasnt happy about that because this coulda been corrected a long time ago without any operations. In the last 18 months with my wifes complicated pregnancy, my sons medical problems, and the help of child support falsely reporting large amounts of money I didnt owe them, my credits in the toilet.Ive been paying on this house for 4 years but am having a terrible time getting a house loan now.My lease is up in 13 months, if I dont have a loan theres gonna be a homeless family of 5 living in Iowa.Despite the fact I bst my **** every day and pay taxes every year every bank I talk to seems to have a problem with self employment like its not a real job or something.The same banks however dont hesitate to call when they need a roof put on or an estimate done. I could go on forever about it.My point is verytrhing I just mentioned was either my fault, or else unavoidable.Sickness and desiease are unavoidable, so is death.I am to blame for my financial situation, and now Im scrambling to catch up, but Im probably to late.I put my kids health before my other bills, Id do it againb without a second thought.A lotta people in here helped me out for a coule months just to keep my head above water and my spirits up. If I was single, making $10,000 a year, and had a vehichle Id sure as **** not be in here whining about it, you aint got no reason to not be able to better your own situation.Not to metion when i was still single that woulda been just about everything I needed.You aint the only one with problems, you are the only one in here that is trying to blame all your problems on someone else. People seem to be a little hard on you, I actually agreed with you theyve been riding you pretty hard since the election was over.Then you post this crybaby crap and I remember why they are so hard on you.Lifes not fair, if Kerry was in office right now guesse what, youd still be making 10,000 a year and driving a 20 yr old truck with no heat.I dont think your willing to try changing your own life.But Ive got enough problems of my own to deal with and get real sick of coming in here reading about how the presidents responsible for yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OJR Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... Horst, AMEN!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... I'm not even gonna say a thing, I think horst has nailed it for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... Horst didn't nail anything for anyone and he is doing what everyone else is doing. Show me in one sentence where I blame any of that on the President, SHOW ME, You can't because I didn't blame any of that on the President, if you guys in your twisted minds want to read into it that way go ahead. But, once again, I am not surprised to see something that I have typed, ONCE AGAIN, taken out of context, AT WHAT POINT, did I blame the President for my grandmother, grandfather, or anything else that I am dealing with right now, NOWHERE, BECAUSE I DIDN'T. IF YOU GUYS WOULD FRIGGIN READ AND STOP TRYING TO MAKE WHAT YOU WANT OUT OF WHAT I SAY. THE WHOLE POST WAS ABOUT HOW EVERYONE ON HERE LIKE'S TO TAKE WHAT I SAY AND CHANGE IT AROUND TO HOW I AM BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE PRESIDENT WHEN I HAVE DONE NO SUCH THING, I MADE NO MENTION OF THE PRESIDENT IN ANY OF THAT ,NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY ,I WAS RIGHT MARKY IS THE ONLY ONE THAT HAS ANY SENSE IN THIS ROOM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... "Maybe you're better off than you were under Clinton, congratulations, many people are not, I am not and I am sure there are some on here that are not" that quote was taking from one of YOUR replies, that YOU made in the "ELECTORAL MAP" post. Sounds to me like you are blaming the president. Nope, no twisting of words there, just a simple cut and paste on my part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtnhunt Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... You say you are not blaming Bush, got me confused by all this. [ QUOTE ] You guys are happy that Bush won, woo friggin hoo, I just wonder if that stem cell research he banned could have eventually saved my Grandfather and my family the pain they are going through right now, I wonder how many children the No Child Left Behind act that is unfunded to fund the war in Iraq that he lied about are going to get left behind. I wonder how many more jobs are going to be outsourced under his watch, there's about 330 people looking for work here now because the Black and Decker plant here outsourced their jobs, I wonder how many people who don't have health insurance and can't afford prescription drugs and who could have gotten them from Canada won't get better because the Bush Admin put a stop to it, or how about the person of another race who is denied acceptance to college or a home loan based solely on the color of their skin because Affirmative Action will have been done way with, or the child who is ridiculed and told he is evil because he doesn't pray to the same God that Bush supposedly does and is forced to pray to a God he doesn't believe in. [/ QUOTE ] Not just this thread, but in many others your attitude and tone towards the current administration has appeared to me to be very negative and it looks as though you are blaming Bush and what has taken place under his term. Guess since I have no sense like so many others in here we may simply not understand your comments as the way you make them. Could not agree with Chris anymore on this. Life is hard. I would not even know where to start with the harsh things I have been dealt with in my 35 years. Stem cell research is another issue entirely and would make a great post topic. As far as I am concerned even with having lost my grandfather and mother in law to cancer, I still think it is wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... [ QUOTE ] "Maybe you're better off than you were under Clinton, congratulations, many people are not, I am not and I am sure there are some on here that are not" that quote was taking from one of YOUR replies, that YOU made in the "ELECTORAL MAP" post. Sounds to me like you are blaming the president. Nope, no twisting of words there, just a simple cut and paste on my part. [/ QUOTE ] AND, The fact is many people were better off under Clinton than Bush, how many people have had their job outsourced under Bush that they had under Clinton. It's a fact, not a blame game. If Bush's tax cuts helped you, great, they didn't help everybody now did they, but the attitude on here is if his tax cuts didn't help you then you must not have deserved one. And please explain to me how one can go about looking for a job when he is home 3 or 4 days every five weeks, it's tough to have a plan when you leave one job when you are never home and if I had known the job market was so crappy at the time, maybe I would have waited until it started to get better, but there is no way to know how the job market in your area is until you start looking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... [ QUOTE ] You say you are not blaming Bush, got me confused by all this. [ QUOTE ] You guys are happy that Bush won, woo friggin hoo, I just wonder if that stem cell research he banned could have eventually saved my Grandfather and my family the pain they are going through right now, I wonder how many children the No Child Left Behind act that is unfunded to fund the war in Iraq that he lied about are going to get left behind. I wonder how many more jobs are going to be outsourced under his watch, there's about 330 people looking for work here now because the Black and Decker plant here outsourced their jobs, I wonder how many people who don't have health insurance and can't afford prescription drugs and who could have gotten them from Canada won't get better because the Bush Admin put a stop to it, or how about the person of another race who is denied acceptance to college or a home loan based solely on the color of their skin because Affirmative Action will have been done way with, or the child who is ridiculed and told he is evil because he doesn't pray to the same God that Bush supposedly does and is forced to pray to a God he doesn't believe in. [/ QUOTE ] Not just this thread, but in many others your attitude and tone towards the current administration has appeared to me to be very negative and it looks as though you are blaming Bush and what has taken place under his term. Guess since I have no sense like so many others in here we may simply not understand your comments as the way you make them. Could not agree with Chris anymore on this. Life is hard. I would not even know where to start with the harsh things I have been dealt with in my 35 years. Stem cell research is another issue entirely and would make a great post topic. As far as I am concerned even with having lost my grandfather and mother in law to cancer, I still think it is wrong. [/ QUOTE ] Who else would I blame, he basically banned stem cell research, the No Child Left Behind Act is unfunded and many people who can't afford prescription drugs cannot get them from Canada because he put a stop to it. He sets the policy for the admin, Cheney said it himself, so who else would I blame for these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "Maybe you're better off than you were under Clinton, congratulations, many people are not, I am not and I am sure there are some on here that are not" that quote was taking from one of YOUR replies, that YOU made in the "ELECTORAL MAP" post. Sounds to me like you are blaming the president. Nope, no twisting of words there, just a simple cut and paste on my part. [/ QUOTE ] AND, The fact is many people were better off under Clinton than Bush, how many people have had their job outsourced under Bush that they had under Clinton. It's a fact, not a blame game. If Bush's tax cuts helped you, great, they didn't help everybody now did they, but the attitude on here is if his tax cuts didn't help you then you must not have deserved one. And please explain to me how one can go about looking for a job when he is home 3 or 4 days every five weeks, it's tough to have a plan when you leave one job when you are never home and if I had known the job market was so crappy at the time, maybe I would have waited until it started to get better, but there is no way to know how the job market in your area is until you start looking. [/ QUOTE ] See you admited it, you do blame Pres Bush!!!! And as far as the job market, maybe doing a little research via the internet before hand could have helped you out? I do know that truckstops have internet access Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] THE WHOLE POST WAS ABOUT HOW EVERYONE ON HERE LIKES TO TAKE WHAT I SAY AND CHANGE IT AROUND TO HOW I AM BLAMING EVERYTHING ON THE PRESIDENT WHEN I HAVE DONE NO SUCH THING, I MADE NO MENTION OF THE PRESIDENT IN ANY OF THAT ,NOT DIRECTLY OR INDIRECTLY [/ QUOTE ]AND, The fact is many people were better off under Clinton than Bush, how many people have had their job outsourced under Bush that they had under Clinton. It's a fact, not a blame game. If Bush's tax cuts helped you, great, they didn't help everybody now did they, but the attitude on here is if his tax cuts didn't help you then you must not have deserved one. And please explain to me how one can go about looking for a job when he is home 3 or 4 days every five weeks, it's tough to have a plan when you leave one job when you are never home and if I had known the job market was so crappy at the time, maybe I would have waited until it started to get better, but there is no way to know how the job market in your area is until you start looking. [/ QUOTE ]Who else would I blame, he basically banned stem cell research, the No Child Left Behind Act is unfunded and many people who can't afford prescription drugs cannot get them from Canada because he put a stop to it. He sets the policy for the admin, Cheney said it himself, so who else would I blame for these things. [/ QUOTE ] Slugger....geesh man...With all due respect, if you want to avoid getting lashed out at, maybe you should consider proof-reading your posts, before you post them, so you don't have to FLIP-FLOP later. You keep sticking your own neck on the chopping block man...don't you see that ? Man, I'm getting just as tired as you are at seeing you get lambasted, every time you make a post...but...everytime you make a post, you say something that you should know by know, is going to get you a response of some sort or other. Would you like me to delete everyones replies to you and call this forum "slugger's World...please do not reply" This is what I see in here...OK ...People make comments or express their opinions. Other people respond to those opinions or comments in both a negative or a positive way. Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but when I see a guy sticking his neck on the chopping block, almost every time he makes a post, it does make me wonder what exactly it is, he is trying to accomplish. Lets face it, you do have unpopular views on many things in this particular forum. Why are you surprised, NOW, after all this time you've spent in here, that most people don't agree with your political views and many of your other views as well. You seem to be a glutton for punishment slugger. I'm sorry that you feel like a victim in here, but hey, you keep coming back for more and keep sticking your neck out to get chopped off, by making comments that you know darn well (by now), other's don't agree with.. You do keep this place hopping slugger, but it seems to be at your expense and for that I am sorry, but you keep sluggin, so who's to blame for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... Disagreeing with what I believe and attacking me every time I post something and say I am whining or whatever are two different things, these threads that I started weren't even about me but somehow they were turned around into them being about me, unfortunately not everyone can see that, but fortunately some do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 11, 2004 Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... [ QUOTE ] You guys are happy that Bush won, woo friggin hoo, I just wonder if that stem cell research he banned could have eventually saved my Grandfather and my family the pain they are going through right now, I wonder how many children the No Child Left Behind act that is unfunded to fund the war in Iraq that he lied about are going to get left behind. I wonder how many more jobs are going to be outsourced under his watch, there's about 330 people looking for work here now because the Black and Decker plant here outsourced their jobs, I wonder how many people who don't have health insurance and can't afford prescription drugs and who could have gotten them from Canada won't get better because the Bush Admin put a stop to it, or how about the person of another race who is denied acceptance to college or a home loan based solely on the color of their skin because Affirmative Action will have been done way with, or the child who is ridiculed and told he is evil because he doesn't pray to the same God that Bush supposedly does and is forced to pray to a God he doesn't believe in. If these above statements make me a bleeding heart liberal, then so be it and I am proud of it, I would rather worry about those things then worry about what type of semi-automatic gun I can buy and how big of a clip I can put in it. [/ QUOTE ] Bud, evrerything in your post, right there at the end, you contributed to Bush.You sked me for one sentence where you blamed Bush.theres a whole paragraph. How many months, when you were outta work did you sit in here and blame bush for you not being able to find a job?Or would you like me to go back and dig some of those old posts up to.You tell me Im reading things into what your posting.Its right there in black and white, I dont have to read anything into it.What was read into other posts by other people, I cant say, and it did seem like some of there remarks were outta line.What I wrote had to do with this post, I didnt relpy to any of the other posts you made.If you can honestly read that paragraph I just quoted directly from your first post, and explain to me how your not blaming Bush, Ill be happy to listen.If you would rather send me Private messages about it, maybe you shouldnt have posted your life problems in a public forum to begin with.Because that makes it exactly that, public. Ive never ridden you like some of these other guys have.Ive listened to every opinion in here with as open of mind as I can, several times Ive had to agree with you when it was less than popular.Dont tell me Im no better than everyone else in here, I just call em like I see em.Apparently youd rather whine about your problems then try to solve them, great, just dont expect any sympathy from me.And dont get all pissed off when I give my opinion.Your post started off as a post about people turning your words around, you were right about that.But it turned into crying and blaming Bush about halfway through, and apparently your the only one that cant see that, dont you see something wrong with this picture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... Thats the thing, I am not blaming Bush for my families problems, I am blaming him for banning stem cell research, I am blaming him for letting companies outsource under his watch, and I am blaming him for not funding the No Child Left Behind Act, I am blaming him for not allowing people who have no insurance and can't afford prices here and not being able to get drugs from Canada. All these things are a direct result of Bush's policies. You guys have taken what I have said about me not making a fortune or this and that about me whining about Bush when I haven't. The NCLBA act doesn't affect me, but it is important to me, stem cell research could possibly affect my family and he banned it, so why wouldn't I blame him. There is a big difference in me complaining about his policies and blaming him for my problems, which I haven't done in any of these posts that you have accused me of. Big difference, but noone seems to realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted November 11, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You guys are happy that Bush won, woo friggin hoo, I just wonder if that stem cell research he banned could have eventually saved my Grandfather and my family the pain they are going through right now, I wonder how many children the No Child Left Behind act that is unfunded to fund the war in Iraq that he lied about are going to get left behind. I wonder how many more jobs are going to be outsourced under his watch, there's about 330 people looking for work here now because the Black and Decker plant here outsourced their jobs, I wonder how many people who don't have health insurance and can't afford prescription drugs and who could have gotten them from Canada won't get better because the Bush Admin put a stop to it, or how about the person of another race who is denied acceptance to college or a home loan based solely on the color of their skin because Affirmative Action will have been done way with, or the child who is ridiculed and told he is evil because he doesn't pray to the same God that Bush supposedly does and is forced to pray to a God he doesn't believe in. If these above statements make me a bleeding heart liberal, then so be it and I am proud of it, I would rather worry about those things then worry about what type of semi-automatic gun I can buy and how big of a clip I can put in it. [/ QUOTE ] Bud, evrerything in your post, right there at the end, you contributed to Bush.You sked me for one sentence where you blamed Bush.theres a whole paragraph. How many months, when you were outta work did you sit in here and blame bush for you not being able to find a job?Or would you like me to go back and dig some of those old posts up to.You tell me Im reading things into what your posting.Its right there in black and white, I dont have to read anything into it.What was read into other posts by other people, I cant say, and it did seem like some of there remarks were outta line.What I wrote had to do with this post, I didnt relpy to any of the other posts you made.If you can honestly read that paragraph I just quoted directly from your first post, and explain to me how your not blaming Bush, Ill be happy to listen.If you would rather send me Private messages about it, maybe you shouldnt have posted your life problems in a public forum to begin with.Because that makes it exactly that, public. Ive never ridden you like some of these other guys have.Ive listened to every opinion in here with as open of mind as I can, several times Ive had to agree with you when it was less than popular.Dont tell me Im no better than everyone else in here, I just call em like I see em.Apparently youd rather whine about your problems then try to solve them, great, just dont expect any sympathy from me.And dont get all pissed off when I give my opinion.Your post started off as a post about people turning your words around, you were right about that.But it turned into crying and blaming Bush about halfway through, and apparently your the only one that cant see that, dont you see something wrong with this picture [/ QUOTE ] How is calling him out on his policies have anything to do with me, nothing in that last post refers to me directly, it is my beliefs and I disagree with what he has done, where in there do I say anything about those policies being in direct relation to my problems, nowhere, thats the difference, me blaming Bush for my problems has nothing to do with the problems of others that I was referring to here, can anyone honestly tell me that what I have posted here is not true. Those are his policies, I don't agree with them, so yes I will blame him, but to say that somehow I am whining about my life within that post is an outright lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... So whats the point of this post. A- calling Bush out on his policies B-telling people theyre reading things into your post C-whining about your personal problems D- you arent sure yourself what the point was behind this post Im not gonna argue with you, it may not be what you meant but its the way the post came across sounding.Theres so many different things thrown into this post its hard to understand what your getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dg Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... E - All of the Above! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParrotHead Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... What I find interesting is that so many in here would actually reply to this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted November 12, 2004 Report Share Posted November 12, 2004 Re: What I find interesting.... This post is also going no-where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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