Born2Hunt Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Doc, if you want people to listen to your point you have to get to the point. Nobody wants to read a 3 page post. Thats why this dead horse is still being beat to death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckshot Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions I think Doc is bringing up alot of good points.I believe most of you just don't want to hear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Doc has brought up some good points as well as everyone else. I just don't think everyone is reading his whole post and they are just taking bits and pieces and he has to repeat himself.I am for AR's and I have said that many times but we also have to listen to people like Doc and other non supporters to decide what is best for the majority of hunters. The dec will listen to both sides before making a change to current regulations. If there was a vote today I would vote for state wide ar's and strong QDM practices because I have seen it work. The non supporters really need to talk to people that have tried this and listen with an open mind then make a decision. I really belive it can work state wide with good results. This is my own opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions [ QUOTE ] Doc, if you want people to listen to your point you have to get to the point. [/ QUOTE ] You're absolutely right. Sometimes I get so darn wound up trying to be absolutely clear on my points that I wind up writing a darn book. And, I know a lot of it gets skipped over. I'll have to work on that a bit. It's a tough habit to break. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYBUCK Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions LOL Doc, Man I would love to meet you in person, the debates we could have. I for one enjoy reading your post, sometimes I have to go back and re-read them, but still enjoy. I am for AR also but mainly I am for a better herd here in NY. IMO AR is a way to establish that, but I am not so nieve that if their is a better solution out there that I won't listen to ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgbennett6 Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Doc, I for one enjoy your well thought-out and intelligent responses. This discussion is actualy going really well, No name calling or anything liek that ( which i have seen on other sites).. Doc, however we dissagree i still enjoy your posts......Now back to the topic at hand.... I dont feel that AR's are the solution, however i feel it would be better than what we have.. Maybe in those areas were the deer herds are decimated go for 1 or 2 years of 1 buck only and no does (except with bow or muzzleloader)... i'm not sure............I do agree that AR's cannot solve all of the problems, but it will make the problem a little better i feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Whew! I've got to take a break from this thread for a short bit. Not only are my posts turning into short novels, but I'm probably going to wear out my keyboard. Actually, there probably isn't a whole lot more to say on the subject without getting into repetition. There are always some subjects that people simply can't agree on and this may very well be one of them. My feeling is that the DEC seems to be in agreement with me as far as going slow and carefully on the subject of AR, so perhaps all this discussion is moot anyway. Let's see what some of the other members have to say and perhaps I'll be goaded into coming back on this if any new thoughts occur. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QDMAworks4me Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions I just thought this was a good article to share. http://www.recordonline.com/archive/2004/10/12/losportb.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions I think the entire discussion can be condensed into a couple of simple sentences. From a purely scientific/biological standpoint, AR's are beneficial to a heavily hunted deer herd's quality. From a personal choice standpoint, AR's will place heretofore unheard of restrictions on the harvest of buck deer. So, if your primary interest lies in developing the herd, you likely favor AR. If your primary interest lies in maintaining the traditions and institutions of past generations, you likely oppose AR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions [ QUOTE ] I think the entire discussion can be condensed into a couple of simple sentences. From a purely scientific/biological standpoint, AR's are beneficial to a heavily hunted deer herd's quality. From a personal choice standpoint, AR's will place heretofore unheard of restrictions on the harvest of buck deer. So, if your primary interest lies in developing the herd, you likely favor AR. If your primary interest lies in maintaining the traditions and institutions of past generations, you likely oppose AR. [/ QUOTE ]well said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Doc, I've really enjoyed this debate.....and thank you to all the took part without getting into personal attacks. Doc is right, sometimes you just have to agree to disagree and move on. Texan, well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions We will all live to debate another day!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions I do like Doc's ideas about DEC doing it's homework. What we need is ideas to get DEC to communicate with us sportsmen more so we can share input. As long as we pay their wages I think they have a responsibility to us to keep us informed.I also believe we have a responsibility to inform them. Last spring we had a forum locally, but don't know of any pending forums as of yet. Perhaps we should start petitioning DEC to hold periodic Whitetail forums. Let us voice our opinions and observations. We not only buy licences but are in one form or another are taxpayers also. Doc, don't leave us yet, I know this has got you thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions It sure would be nice if the DEC made an annual event out of those statewide "state of the deer herd" meetings that they held last year. While the bulk of the discussion was about the proposals for season changes, these meetings did give many individual hunters opportunities to convey their thoughts and ideas to DEC officials and also worked well as far as letting the DEC reply directly. Those meetings without the encumberances of the controversial proposals would probably be great forums for bringing up ideas such as ARs and other hunter concerns, as well as a great place to bring up suggestions and hear replies about them directly from the DEC. I know that communication costs money, but it sure would be great for the DEC to do even more along these lines. I think their website is a great start as far as communications, and I go there quite often. Some areas could be a bit more up-to-date, but generally, there is a lot of great info there. What I would like to see added would be a forum such as we have here where hunters and DEC officials could discuss some of the issues that affect hunters. More than likely, something like that would be a bit hard to keep control of, so I wouldn't expect to see anything like that on their site in the near future. Another thought would be that they closely monitor internet forums and periodically offer position statements on some of the topics that involve their department. Compared to other government agencies, the DEC probably is the best at communication, but I think as hunters, we are always looking for more. And, I think the request is reasonable. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Doc, we have those meetings annually, and they are great......once you get rid of the fools that don't have the first clue about what's going on but like to complain just to hear themselves talk. Once they get themselves mad and they leave the meeting gets a lot of great feedback and ideas thrown around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Welcome back Doc. I knew this would get your attention. We can discuss this all year to no avail, unless we as sportsmen take the first steps to get the dialogue started. Instead of wasting our resorces on debate, which you said yourself would be repetitous, lets all join forces and see if we can't get the forums going on a regular basis with guidelines set forth for content and conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions [ QUOTE ] lets all join forces and see if we can't get the forums going on a regular basis with guidelines set forth for content and conduct. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not all that sure of just how to approach getting the DEC to do something statewide that they might not have any interest in doing. It sounds like something that the NYSCC might have some luck with, but individual hunters probably would never get the idea past their initial DEC contact. I'm usually not that pessimistic, but I am a realist. After all, we are not talking about a "freebie". I'm sure those meetings last year cost a bundle. And it seems that all I hear from the DEC anymore (rightly or wrongly)is about budget shortfalls and tight money. The idea would be a real tough-sell and would require some highly organized support. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HaDeRonDa Posted October 12, 2006 Report Share Posted October 12, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions I'm posting on this because another NY'er though it was a great post. Kinda hard to argue with his thoughts in any way. Pages to read and a great post in my eyes. So, this one is for Swamphunter. It stays around for another 6 months. How is that Swampy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted October 13, 2006 Report Share Posted October 13, 2006 Re: Fellow NY\'s - Do you favor antler restrictions Here we go again! (LOL) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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