Guest Rolngthun Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 What have you guys tried for loads? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHISKEYSWAMP Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant I have noticed some inconsistancy with mine as well... The only way to stay consisant is to clean your barrel in between shots. I've had good luck with Dead Center 200 gr. sabots with 100 grains of Triple 7 powder. Dead Center Here's a link to the site that makes the Dead Center bullet. They have done a lot of research on different loads. They also state some flaws in the 209 primer and the fact that they give off way more spark than needed. I'm thinking about converting mine over to their .25 breech plugs. Precision Rifle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant Welcome to the forums. It sounds like you need to alter your load and/or loading method to find something that the gun likes. You can't just go with I want to shoot XXX grains of whatever powder and expect it to shoot great. Vary the powder charge up and/or down to find a more accurate load. You may have to change bullets to find one the barrel likes. I went through more than a few to find one the Knight Disc Elite .50 liked. Loading methods contribute just as much to accuracy as the load does. I now weigh all of my charges on a scale. I checked a half dozen loads where I used my measure and found them to be off quite a bit. I went to the scale and the accuracy was much better. One thing to remember is the numbers are not the same when weighing vs volume. If you want 100 gr loads, its like 80 grs buy weight. Very important! How much fouling is in the bore will also affect accuracy. Keep things consistant between shots. The bullet/sabot pressure on the powder can also affect how the thing shoots. It takes some time and practice to develop the skill to do it over and over exactly the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest coop2564 Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant Check your gun lockup. Hold grip on stock point barrel up and away from you shake and feel for any bump or wiggle if you can take off forend all the better. If you feel any wiggle you got problems and will have to get the factory to fix it. Break action guns have to have a rock solid lockup or accuracy is out the window. They can be toucky about were you take a rest closer to the hinge the better stay away from resting gun on end of forend. Sounds like gun problem more to me than load double check scope also if using one. Just my 2-cents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant Take a look at these 2 websites. There is a ton of Encore info on them. A lot of ideas for accurizing your Encore. Bellm's TC's David White- Precision Rifle Works I sent my Encore to David White. He removed the QLA and recrowned the barrel. He also took my Leupold Quick Release scope base and modified it to a six screw design, and drilled and tapped the additional holes in the barrel. I also have a #2 Bellm hinge pin. My brother and I bought the #2 Reamer, and we have reamed all out barrels and recievers so that we have consistent pin fit. My Encore with a 209x50 barrel consistently shoots m.o.a. groups with 100 grains of T7, and 295 grain Powerbelts. With a slug barrel it is a ragged one hole shooter. With the heavy.223 barrel it is a true, consistent 1/2 m.o.a. gun. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Leadbuck Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant I use Hornady 250 gr and 100 gr pyrodex pellets. Nice tight patterns Shot two doe in Michigan last weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tped Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant I think you should start by trying other loads. When I first got my encore, as did 4 of my friends, we spent hours on the range finding the sweet load for it. Some loads worked, some didn't. Example, my gun will not shoot powerbelts at all. Can't gett a 12" group at 50 yards - but it will shoot Barnes 250 grain expanders behind 120 grains of T7 into MOA all day -everyday. Shoots Hornady's, Speer, Nosler only marginally acceptable. My one buddies will not shoot the same Barnes as tight. He drives tacks with 100g T7 and 260 Noslers and his gun is 2 serial numbers different from mine. They are all different - don't lock on a certain bullet - try several - start at 90 grains of powder and shoot groups to find the sweet one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedicast Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant [ QUOTE ] What do you think about way too much spark? Why would that be a problem? Excessive fouling? [/ QUOTE ] The theory behing too much spark I believe is this. When the 209 primer fires, the strength of it going offmoves the load a tiny bit, causing inconsistent grouping. I may be wrong, but this is what I thought the reason for the .25ACP conversion was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant [ QUOTE ] What do you think about way too much spark? Why would that be a problem? Excessive fouling? [/ QUOTE ] There are a couple drawbacks to the 209 ignition. One like tedicast mentioned is it has too much energy. It can actually move the charge forwards before the powder ignites. Another is the fouling. The 209 seems to scorch the powder and the level of gunk in the barrel is amazing. The crud ring that happens iwth 777 and 209 primers is an example. This is not to say you can not get accurate groups with the 209. It can be done, but it also gives unexplained flyers. With a milder ignition source, the powder is still burned, the crud is kept to a minimum, and accuracy is enhanced. Another benefit to the .25 ACP and modified .22 Hornet case is it seals the breech from the powder charge. Gasses do not blow back past the brass case and corrode the firing pin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted December 25, 2005 Report Share Posted December 25, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant had a buddy of mine, whose encore was doing the same thing. He called TC and told them what he was shooting. They recommended something for him, actually cheaper than what he was shooting and it worked fine. Try calling the company and explaining the problem to them. I am sure that they can help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyLuck Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant Lots of good advice here. I made the same mods to my Encore as Tedicast and had the same results. Only I'm using 240gr Deadcenters and 2 50gr T7 pellets. Experiment with loads and bullets. It's the only way to find out what works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannoBoone1 Posted December 27, 2005 Report Share Posted December 27, 2005 Re: T/C Encore shooting inconsistant [ QUOTE ] What do you think about way too much spark? Why would that be a problem? Excessive fouling? [/ QUOTE ] As mentioned before, regular shotgun primers can be moving your load forward prior to the main ignition, causing inconsistent POI. Before going to the expense of the .25 ACP plug, ya might try the new Remington ML primers, which have less power, yet enough to ignite the powder. If they help accuracy, then I would totally recommend the .25 plug, for they DO keep the crud out of the action. The Encore can be very accurate out of the box, but then you can have a multitude of problems like mine had. It now shoots 250SST's & SW's very accurately, but so far, nothing else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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