LifeNRA Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Found this in the NRA's American Hunter magazine! Membership is FREE!!! http://www.padeerdefense.org/ Mission Statement To inform sportsmen and the public alike on the issues of game and game land management, including the politics, science, social, and economic impacts of the same. To form a powerful coalition, to amass an army of voices with a volume loud enough to be heard! An organization capable to institute change and meet the politics, policies, and other issues opposed to us with the ability to win. To demand a game commission that acts with responsibility to both the hunters and to the game resources it is sworn to protect. A game commission free and separate from the control of the DCNR, and one that fights to protect hunter and game interests without exception. To influence change in the current deer management policy. To close the floodgates of killing, to end this "if it's brown it's down" policy! To seek and demand a micro-managed deer management policy. One that addresses county and local deer populations, and one that incorporates local hunter input in the policy making process. To direct an effective and lawful resistance to the threats posed by the current deer management policy. To stand up and meet the issues facing game land management and those seeking to abuse it. To act civilly, responsibly, and relentlessly, in all efforts to affect changes. To promote the sport of hunting, endeavor to improve its quality and success, preserve its interests, and promote the purest hunting ethics. To Challenge everyone to direct all like minded individuals to sign up and line up in our efforts to defend, promote, and preserve the interests of our sport and tradition, not to mention,"SAVE THE DEER"! THOSE THAT CARE ABOUT OUR DEER HERD, PLEASE JOIN! ITS FREE!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Obviously yet another anti-hunting group. Obviously, this group of obviously educated individuals know more than deer biologists and their legion of emperical data saying that shooting DOES is the best way to manage a herd. "Don't bother me with the facts, I am making an argument" seems to be their montre. I don't think they will go anywhere. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! [ QUOTE ] Obviously yet another anti-hunting group. [/ QUOTE ] AND THE NRA WILL PUBLISH THIS IN THEIR MAGAZINE??? ITS ON PAGE 19 LOWER RIGHT-HAND CORNER!!! THIS IS NOT AN ANTI-HUNTING GROUP!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Just because it is published in an NRA magazine does not make it a good organization. Sounds to me like more of the same we have been hearing for the last three years - "I used to see 100 deer a day and now the game commission has killed them all." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Amen G Daddy. This may be on the up and up but many of these organizations start out or position themselves closer to the sportsmen like us and then stab us in the back. Sometimes it is hard to tell friend from foe. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer. The part that makes me wonder is "please do this voluntarily until we can change your laws to force you to do it"....reading between the lines there. The biggest problem is that they are asking you to stop shooting does...which on most properties is the best way to manage a herd for health and buck to doe ratios. Good things generally happen when you shoot does, not bad things. Perhaps this is just in response to a local problem that isn't being addressed so they decided to make a splash. It also could be a couple yahoos that decided working wasn't for them so they would draw a nice salary by inciting people to membership. However, general hysteria and oddball antics like this rarely move sane people to action. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! [ QUOTE ] Just because it is published in an NRA magazine does not make it a good organization. Sounds to me like more of the same we have been hearing for the last three years - "I used to see 100 deer a day and now the game commission has killed them all." [/ QUOTE ] Yes but new was calling them an anti-hunting group! I busted my BUTT the entire first week of our rifle season and seen only one doe! I have about 200 acres of private land that I can hunt on! I seen only TWO does in six days of hunting! A total of two does for the total of ten days hunting! THREE different counties too! When the deer get pushed out of SGL and the GAP land. they filter in there! Fort Indiantown Gap on got 32 buck, and 50 does the first week! I remember when they would get over 150 bucks and 250 does the first week! This year they opened it to rifles again! I know I hunt very close to this area! VERY LITTLE SHOOTING going on!This cry over forest regeneration is silly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! And there we go....... You probably believe that global warming is real too! It's all ebb and flow man. Perhaps competing land has installed better food plots, maybe it is natural deer herd shifts from one general area to another, maybe it is your quad riders who are parking next to their tree. I dunno. More than likely, like most of the South last season, there is a reason. Ours was due to a bumper crop of acorns that was so very massive deer didn't have to move from their beds....until the poop piles raised them above the brush line. There are reasons why you seasons are so crappy. I have seen studies where people tried their darndest to shoot out a group of deer in a high fenced area and they couldn't. I don't buy the whole "the deer have all been killed" argument. They may have moved due to massive pressure but you gotta adjust too. Regardless, it doesn't matter. New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Just as I was getting ready to reply to this post, Newarcher replied and said it all. (at least all that was worth saying.) This sounds like an organization that is short-sighted and has a one-sided opinion how to control deer herds and QDM. Deer population must be controlled on the local level. (one size does not fit all in this case) ....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckbuster11 Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! [ QUOTE ] And there we go....... You probably believe that global warming is real too! It's all ebb and flow man. Perhaps competing land has installed better food plots, maybe it is natural deer herd shifts from one general area to another, maybe it is your quad riders who are parking next to their tree. I dunno. More than likely, like most of the South last season, there is a reason. Ours was due to a bumper crop of acorns that was so very massive deer didn't have to move from their beds....until the poop piles raised them above the brush line. There are reasons why you seasons are so crappy. I have seen studies where people tried their darndest to shoot out a group of deer in a high fenced area and they couldn't. I don't buy the whole "the deer have all been killed" argument. They may have moved due to massive pressure but you gotta adjust too. Regardless, it doesn't matter. New [/ QUOTE ] Trust me bud....unless you have hunted in PA then you cant imagine the changes that have happened or the war going on between hunters in this state. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And there we go....... You probably believe that global warming is real too! It's all ebb and flow man. Perhaps competing land has installed better food plots, maybe it is natural deer herd shifts from one general area to another, maybe it is your quad riders who are parking next to their tree. I dunno. More than likely, like most of the South last season, there is a reason. Ours was due to a bumper crop of acorns that was so very massive deer didn't have to move from their beds....until the poop piles raised them above the brush line. There are reasons why you seasons are so crappy. I have seen studies where people tried their darndest to shoot out a group of deer in a high fenced area and they couldn't. I don't buy the whole "the deer have all been killed" argument. They may have moved due to massive pressure but you gotta adjust too. Regardless, it doesn't matter. New [/ QUOTE ] Trust me bud....unless you have hunted in PA then you cant imagine the changes that have happened or the war going on between hunters in this state. [/ QUOTE ] Thats it! I wasnt going to post this in here because of that very reason! Unless you hunted in the state recently in areas where the deer are abundant and scarse! You can not make judgement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 20, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! [ QUOTE ] Just as I was getting ready to reply to this post, Newarcher replied and said it all. (at least all that was worth saying.) This sounds like an organization that is short-sighted and has a one-sided opinion how to control deer herds and QDM. Deer population must be controlled on the local level. (one size does not fit all in this case) ....popgun [/ QUOTE ] Then you must be telling that 75% of the hunters in PA are short-sighted and one-sided? Why all of sudden must the deer be slaughtered right now! Knocking their numbers so low its crazy! Like new said too! I know about deer movemants and such. Believe they happen a lot too! But the DCNR is up to something other than worring about our deer herd! I personally believe they are crying about lost money from there timber and are blaming the deer populations for it! Which is BS! They mis-managed the forest all these years. Left the forest age too long to the point where ther younger trees dont have the room or the sunlight to grow! They never cut any older trees or burn or clear areas out to manage! Now they want to blame the deer and the PGC for this mess! Let alone Pennsylvania was just named #1 for deer/vehicle accidents in the country! Now we have the insurance companies wanting more deer killed off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Life NRA, Dude, easy on the leaded coffee man you are going to blow an O ring. I don't even begin to preach about the PA hunting issues. I have heard inklings of people being peeved at the State and if there is a problem then so be it.....this organization might be needed. You posted it here as if it was something like the NRA starting up that everyone here would be interested in seeing. Where I live there isn't a problem with the State except budget cutbacks. So this isn't relevant to me. Perhaps you could have posted a 'PA residents' tag line to it. I will stand behind my statement that there are natural reasons for the decrease in deer. If every citizen lined up shoulder to shoulder and marched across the State property line to property line shooting each deer they saw, it couldn't make the dent in the herd that you are seeing. There is a reason but I am not sure what it is just yet. However, it seemed to follow everywhere. Also, if the overhunting of the deer in PA was large enough to kill every deer in sight like you are worried about, the processors and taxidermists would be inundated with record numbers. That is contrary to what you said here. There is a reason....perhaps the deer have learned to tunnel like Nung and Guyen? New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Quick question: How you can be named the #1 state for deer/vehicle collisions when deer are scarce?? Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! LIFE NRA, We have a lot of car deer collisions and the insurance **** lobby did try to get the limits raised. We raised the limits in GA and the sky is falling crowd preached gloom and doom. However, surveys showed that hunters killed what they could eat....maybe one more to share but they could raise the limit to 100 and guys are only going to kill what they can afford to mount/process/etc. The average number of deer per hunter stayed the same even after the new limits. I am not sure what is going on in PA but good luck with THAT! New Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LifeNRA Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! [ QUOTE ] Quick question: How you can be named the #1 state for deer/vehicle collisions when deer are scarce?? Just curious. [/ QUOTE ] Hey all it was a bad day yesterday! I should have never turned this blasted thing on! I read that in the American Hunter magazine yesterday. But that was part of the problem, if deer are so scarce, how can we? Anyways, this was posted for Pennsylvania hunters in here but was not stated so! My fault! Then again whats wrong with having more than one opinion too! Sorry to all if I offended anyone, just a bad hair day! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! Hey LifeNRA, At least you were able to get your emotions under control and mature enough to admit it. I know you were just posting this for PA members. But I have heard the same rumbling going on in other States (KY for one). I feel the need to make a couple of key observations. 1. Having one group of hunters accusing another group of hunters of wiping out all the deer is never good for the hunting in that state period. This is exactly the kind of divide and conquear stance the anti's want. 2. A more accurate deer census is gonna be expensive. The hunters will foot the bill on this one if it goes that far. If in the end the numbers come close to the estimates and it's decided the more accurate methods aren't needed. The monies will be used for something else and funneled into another cause. This way the extra charges will continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newarcher Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! I personally wasn't offended.....obviously PA has some real issues. At first glance, it looked like one of those emotional "don't shoot the poor does" kind of things that PETA would put out. But apparently there are some real problems in PA. Best of luck trying to get those resolved. Or you could just move to GA where the season in the Metro area lasts mid-September through the end of February! NEw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Re: Here Is An Interesting Web Site!!! I think it depends where you go in PA. There are some areas that are very populated with deer. Bedford Co for example, every time I go out there, I see a bunch of deer and I always have great success. I know Lebanon and Dauphin county deer harvests are low but I don't think it's the whole state. Some areas need to take alot of doe. If you drive around Beford Co at night, you better be prepared for a colision with a deer. At least that's been my obversation the last many of years. Like I said, it all depends where you go in PA. I am a meat hunter so I like shooting does and it doesn't bother me one bit. The deer will always be where I go. I am not sure if I would join that. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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