Guest fourtrax_300 Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill Doc- you bring up a very good point. i didnt see it that way ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 4, 2006 Report Share Posted January 4, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] Problem here is we have an active turkey season as well as bird season taking place during bow season. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and other kinds of small game hunting too. And in the summer we have woodchuck hunters and even people plinking tin cans. So what? Look, so far, I haven't heard anybody say that mandating blaze orange during gun deer season is an absolute guarantee that no one will ever get killed or wounded in a hunting accident. But if anyone doubts the effectiveness of blaze orange in reducing these kinds of mishaps, just picture what it would be like if no one wore blaze orange at all during gun season. I'll guarantee that the death toll would be very scary indeed. It probably would keep me out of the woods. So, you do what you can and use whatever means is practical. Such a law is intended to go after the situations that pose the most realistic opportunities for impacting the worst conditions. Should we force everyone who steps outside to wear blaze orange? I doubt it. Would that even be possible? absolutely not. However some common sense tells you that gun deer season is nothing like the small game seasons or turkey season or woodchuck hunting or backyard target practice. A blaze orange law is an easy and effective thing to implement. Most people are already abiding by it already with no adverse effects in their success. passing the law for other situations begins to fail the test of reasonableness and reality and is even doubtful that it would effect safety at all. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill im in favor of it, it for bowhunters also. i dont personally but for those who bowhunt during gun season, it would give just some added protection. it should be requiered for all us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snapper Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill All the orange in the world still will not replace common sense! We in PA have worn orange for some years now and accidents still happen! When I say accident...I mean, the stray bullet senerio and it wouldn't have mattered what color anyone was wearing. A hunter shooting another hunter at close range...sorry buts thats a lack of common sense and those types of "hunters" shouldn't be in the woods with or with out orange. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] i dont personally but for those who bowhunt during gun season, it would give just some added protection. it should be requiered for all us [/ QUOTE ] Now there may be a loophole that this bill does not cover. The wording is going to be very important on this bill. I absolutely agree that a bowhunter that is afield during a gun deer season should also be required to wear blaze orange. You know, as I recall, I really don't think that the wording that I saw covers that point. Of course that was not the official bill, but a synopsis of it. Hopefully they will not let that one slide by. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] All the orange in the world still will not replace common sense! We in PA have worn orange for some years now and accidents still happen! When I say accident...I mean, the stray bullet senerio and it wouldn't have mattered what color anyone was wearing. [/ QUOTE ] Like I said a couple of replies ago, I have yet to hear anyone claim that blaze orange is going to eliminate all hunting accidents. And that is certainly not a reason not to pass a common sense law that, if we were to be honest, we know would prevent SOME hunting fatalities and woundings. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] All the orange in the world still will not replace common sense! We in PA have worn orange for some years now and accidents still happen! When I say accident...I mean, the stray bullet senerio and it wouldn't have mattered what color anyone was wearing. A hunter shooting another hunter at close range...sorry buts thats a lack of common sense and those types of "hunters" shouldn't be in the woods with or with out orange. JMO [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, of course accidents will always happen, that's why they call them accidents!!!! By wearing orange, it does reduce the possibility of an accident. There are some real wackos out in the deer woods during gun season. I would not be caught dead, without orange during rifle season. How about this senario, what if you accidentally shoot someone, that does not have orange on? You have a safe shot, good backdrop behind the deer, but some idiot decides it's a good idea not to wear orange. He is wearing realtree advantage, and there is no way he could have been seen. Do you feel bad for killing him, even though he did not wear orange? I wouldn't!!!!! But, having an "orange law" protects us safe and moral hunters from shooting someone else. --Rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 5, 2006 Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] How about this senario, what if you accidentally shoot someone, that does not have orange on? You have a safe shot, good backdrop behind the deer, but some idiot decides it's a good idea not to wear orange. He is wearing realtree advantage, and there is no way he could have been seen. Do you feel bad for killing him, even though he did not wear orange? I wouldn't!!!!! But, having an "orange law" protects us safe and moral hunters from shooting someone else. [/ QUOTE ] There is no way of predicting how you might react to shooting someone, even if it were unavoidable. My feeling is that I would live the rest of my life with a whole lot of guilt, even though the jerk practically did it to himself. That would still be a pretty heavy burden to live with. That's why I say that the one getting shot is not the only victim in such accidents. His stupidity results in a whole bunch more tragedy than just his death and it is darn thoughtless and irresponsible for him to be putting other hunters in that potential situation. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerClay Posted January 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] All the orange in the world still will not replace common sense! We in PA have worn orange for some years now and accidents still happen! When I say accident...I mean, the stray bullet senerio and it wouldn't have mattered what color anyone was wearing. A hunter shooting another hunter at close range...sorry buts thats a lack of common sense and those types of "hunters" shouldn't be in the woods with or with out orange. JMO [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, of course accidents will always happen, that's why they call them accidents!!!! By wearing orange, it does reduce the possibility of an accident. There are some real wackos out in the deer woods during gun season. I would not be caught dead, without orange during rifle season. How about this senario, what if you accidentally shoot someone, that does not have orange on? You have a safe shot, good backdrop behind the deer, but some idiot decides it's a good idea not to wear orange. He is wearing realtree advantage, and there is no way he could have been seen. Do you feel bad for killing him, even though he did not wear orange? I wouldn't!!!!! But, having an "orange law" protects us safe and moral hunters from shooting someone else. --Rossman [/ QUOTE ] Let me take this one step farther. Do you get arrested for shooting that particular hunter who is not wearing any blaze orange? Ranger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill I think we should wait and see what the bill reads when it is put to vote before we read too much into it. If it is as vague as people argue it will never be passed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 6, 2006 Report Share Posted January 6, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] Let me take this one step farther. Do you get arrested for shooting that particular hunter who is not wearing any blaze orange? [/ QUOTE ] Of course, this would have to be investigated like it is now to determine the extent of negligence. I doubt that a lot of these accidents result in arrests now anyway, but if it is determined that the one shot was in a position that under the circumstances should have been seen by the shooter even though he was not wearing blaze orange, an arrest would probably be in order. Blaze orange, even as a legal requirement does not absolve anyone from normal and reasonable safety requirements when discharging a gun. That doesn't mean that the law is useless. It is just another tool in trying to avoid hunting accidents. Not a cure-all by any means, but just another effective implement of safety. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill In Arkansas anyone on public hunting land or anyone in the act of hunting, which is defined as anyone posessing firearm or bow in any area where hunting is possible, must wear 400sq. inches of hunter orange or chartruse above the waist and hunter orange or chartrucse head wear during any firearm or muzzle loading season deer, elk or bear season. If you're on private land and not carrying a gun or bow you don't have to wear it. If you're packin' you do. No hunter orange or chartruse is required during any bird season or small game season unless it overlaps a large game modern gun or ml season. On public land where large game seasons are closed to gun hunting it is also not required. That makes sence to me. But there are always going to be stupid people who think they know better and won't wear it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill Sounds like somebody in Arkansas did their homework. Let's hope NY follows suit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] must wear 400sq. inches of hunter orange or chartruse above the waist [/ QUOTE ] chartruse? I don't even know what that is....lol. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] must wear 400sq. inches of hunter orange or chartruse above the waist [/ QUOTE ] chartruse? I don't even know what that is....lol. I'll certainly go with you on this one. I have been a wearer of hunter orange for years. But char...Whatever? This is probably the combo of green and yellow I see on the safety vests of Motorcycle and bike riders on Ft.Drum NY.Not my choice if I was a candidate for Best dressed hunter! LOL>>> [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] must wear 400sq. inches of hunter orange or chartruse above the waist [/ QUOTE ] chartruse? I don't even know what that is....lol. Doc [/ QUOTE ]Chartruse? people in these parts would not be caught dead wearing chartruse! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] must wear 400sq. inches of hunter orange or chartruse above the waist [/ QUOTE ] chartruse? I don't even know what that is....lol. Doc [/ QUOTE ] I'm a band director not an Ingish teacher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill Well, first of all, I don't think anyone is talking blaze orange for bow season. The only possible exception to that would be somebody bowhunting during the regular gun season. Law or no law, I would also feel compelled to wear blaze orange during any bow/muzzleloader season as well. Second of all, I haven't heard anyone say that a blaze orange law would automatically put an end to all hunting accidents, but I think you can credit the fact that over 80% of the NY hunters have enough common sense to wear it already, for NY's great safety record. And to extend this common sense practice with a law only helps guarantee that we keep on with this good record and perhaps even make some further improvements on it. Thirdly, you seem to be of the mistaken impression that this is some kind of "personal rights" issue. Apparently you have no empathy for the poor guy who may accidently shoot you because you were too much of a blithering idiot to wear blaze orange but instead chose to stand out there in the middle of opening day of gun season with full camo on. We've already noted the fact that todays camo patterns can completely blot out a hunter standing in the line of fire, and yet I still see these flaming wierdos in complete camo on the super heavy pressured state land that I hunt. There they stand, just like they were in their right mind risking their lives and putting other innocent hunters in the position of potentially shooting these jerks and having to live with the consequences of someone who pretty much set them up. I really have a problem with that kind of mentality or lack thereof. I just can't follow that line of irresponsibility and thoughtlessness. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETMGROW Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill I'm just wondering why would anyone object to wearing hunter orange anyway. It surely can't be the expense. I think I must have as many as a dozen orange hats which were given to me for advertising alone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adjam5 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill NY had the safest year for hunting seasons EVER this year... and you know what? Blaze orange was not mandatory. We need more laws here in NY. NYS stats for 2005 Statewide there were 14 injuries reported during the big game season. A RECORD LOW! Eclipsing the previous mark of 18 set in 2004. The avg for the last 5 years was 27 injuries per. 3 of the '05 injuries were fatal, matching the 5 year avg. One of which occured during spring turkey. Small game hunting related shooting incidents stand at 9, also significantly below the previous 5 year avg of 19. More people die riding bikes and swimming. Make sure of your target and whats beyond it. If I'm shot from a mile or two away, it won't matter what color I had on. And No, I don't give a hoot about the jerk who shot and didn't identify his target. Thats what everyone needs to learn before the trigger is pulled. No law is ever going to make a sport be mistake proof, not as long as humans are involved. Education is the key....not laws. Be as safe as you can possibly be when afield. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill If by some chance I can prevent someone for mistaking me as a four leged deer by wearing a orange cap, you can bet your life I'll wear one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill [ QUOTE ] I don't give a hoot about the jerk who shot and didn't identify his target. [/ QUOTE ] Apparently, you have never seen the Realtree ad on TV that asks you to count the hunters in the picture. It is obvious from this ad that camoflaged hunters can blend in perfectly with the background. Great for bow season ....... deadly for gun season. The other question I have for people who have this irrational fear of blaze orange is "How many hunting situation shots do you take that are only with an earthen backstop behind the deer and all the vegetation cleared to the ground". Unless your shooting situations are exactly like that, there is absolutely no way that you can be sure that there is not some camoflaged idiot hunkered down in that shooting zone. A word about the NY statistics: It is estimated that over 80% of the NY hunters are voluntarily using blaze orange. Perhaps that may have a little something to do with the great safety record. Now if we can just get those other 20% idiots who have some kind of macho thing about not wearing BO to begin hunting dressed in appropriate responsible colored clothing, we might be able to maintain and perhaps even improve on that record. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 12, 2006 Report Share Posted January 12, 2006 Re: The new NY blaze orange bill For those of you who think deer will see you in your orange. This year I shot this deer while sitting on the ground wearing hunter orange vest and cap. There were also another 12-15 deer around and some came within 10 yards of me. I was about 150 yards off the road and when my buddy drove up to help me drag it out, he could see my cap through the woods. There is no way you can convence me that your not safer in hunter orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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