Guest Huntin_Cop Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Probably going to be a touchy topic but I have to ask. Should deer drives be considered fair chase and should B&C and P&Y accept trophy entries into their records program as a result of deer drives? I can't say that I'm a fan of deer drives having been on two my entire life, one of which was successful. A well organized deer drive can easily push deer into the crosshairs of a waiting hunter. The deer have no choice. Some of the biggest bucks of all time including the Hanson Buck, Rath Buck, Raveling Buck, Pearson Buck, just to name a few, were taken with the aid of other hunters driving deer. The success rate is far higher when putting on drives. I think it takes alot fun out of hunting, not to mention adding more danger to each other. I don't think it's fair. As for B&C and P&Y accepting drive entries; I don't think they should. And I can be 100% honest; if I knew of a trophy buck on my land putting on a deer drive just to make harvesting him easier would not be part of my strategy. What do you all think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huntin_Cop Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Sorry, mods. This topic should probably be in the deer hunting zone. I wasn't paying any attention when I posted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I think if it is legal, why bother with it. As has been stated MANY TIMES over, WE AS HUNTERS NEED TO STICK TOGETHER, and not criticize LEGAL hunting practices that go on. And that's my $.02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Yea if its legal then its fine by me i mgiht not do it. But if thats how they want to do it it doesnt bother me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Huntin_Cop Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] Yea if its legal then its fine by me i mgiht not do it. But if thats how they want to do it it doesnt bother me. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not saying I look down on hunters that perform drives, if thats the way someone hunts it's fine with me. If someone kills a deer during a drive, I'll shake his/her hand and congratulate them. I just don't think the records program should accept trophy entries taken as a result of drives. I know that would dismiss many of our favorite lenendary whitetails, including mine, from the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest brl Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? why not i dont see nothign wrong with pushing bush. as long as there not using quads or trucks to do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] I think if it is legal, why bother with it. As has been stated MANY TIMES over, WE AS HUNTERS NEED TO STICK TOGETHER, and not criticize LEGAL hunting practices that go on. And that's my $.02 [/ QUOTE ] i agree iwth you on this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
need2hunt Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] The deer have no choice. [/ QUOTE ] Theres a long stretch from a well done deer drive and the deer have no choice. As for the record books I see nothing wrong with having deer drive deer in there. It's just a point of view, I've seen people argue that people on private property shouldn't be allowed in the books, as well as anyone that had a guide, etc. We do drives (pushes) every year and to be honest I think it's a fun way to hunt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? yup..drives are fair, not to mention perfectly legal.... BUT,...Im goin to go off here guy's.. just ask the WOLVES!! Thats how they do it....... Every Tree huger will agree... a deer that gets" eatin while still alive" is perfeclty "A-OK" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I don't enjoy it, never do it, and see absolutely nothing wrong with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rockefeller66 Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I personally hate it but hey...it is legal and I ain't going to put anyone down who does it, as long as it is legal more power to them. You won't ever see me doing huge drives with bunches of guys though, that is just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] Should deer drives be considered fair chase [/ QUOTE ] Why not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 10, 2006 Report Share Posted January 10, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I have never used legality as a crutch for my personal ethics, so the fact that a practice is legal is absolutely no sign that I have to compromise my opinions or hold my tongue on any subject. That said, I must admit that I have no strong feelings for or against the practice..... for other people. The typical, mob-scene, style of drive is something I really don't care to engage in, but it really has nothing to do with fair chase concerns. Is it fair chase? .... certainly is. The successful drives require somebody with a pretty good knowledge of where the deer are and exactly what their escape routes are. He also has to understand what it takes to keep deer from slipping back through the drivers. The guy setting up the drive usually has to know his stuff. The pace of the drive is critical to avoid sending panicked, running deer past the stander/s. It's not as simple as putting some guys on one end of a woodlot and sending a bunch of guys through whooping and hollering. Not that that never works, but generally that kind of circus pushes deer out unsuspected places where there are no standers and they are usually running like crazy (not the best shot). My only problem is just who can really take credit for the deer? The guy doing the shooting? Only if he is the guy that organized and set up the drive. Otherwise, he is just the "shooter". I know that drives can be set up to run as smooth as any kind of hunt, but I still have an uneasy feeling about safety issues on most of the drives that I have seen. It really relies on having a good safe crew that operates well together and a skilled organizer who can set things up safely and lay down some iron-clad rules that he knows his crew will follow. There's not too many of those guys around with those kinds of well-run operations, so I tend to avoid getting involved in large drives. Actually, I have set up some pretty successful 2-man drives where I might have a partner sit at a special pre-arranged spot while I slowly (REAL slowly) still-hunt through the area that I think the deer might be bedded or feeding in. That can work well and also can be just as safe as if we were both hunting on our own. I might get the deer. He might get the deer and we both know exactly where the other is so there is no shooting at each other. So, you see, when you complain about deer drives, there really is more than just one activity that comes under the heading of deer drives. Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tp793 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I am personally not a big fan of it myself, but to each his own (or however that goes).Any deer that is taken out of the wild and in fair-chase should be considered in the record books. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] What do you all think? [/ QUOTE ] Criticizing they way other hunters legally pursue game is probably the most dangerous thing hunters can do to our sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest buddy ahart Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Ive been in many drives and in my area the deer dont move until dark. once they get shot at a little and ive tried all differnt ways of hunting around here only time they move during legal shooting time is in archery. Nothing realy works once they get educated and they kno just to stay in the thick stuff till its dark and then come out and start to forage. So i mean IMO if u can pay a guy to show you a record book deer on 2,000 acres that are heavly manged and all that good stuff that goes with making record book bucks then why not count a record book buck that someone earned. i mean by getting out there with freinds or family and bustin them briars going threw jungles of thick stuff. Ethier public or their own little piece of land no matter if it was a 2 man drive or 10 every person on that drive earned that deer . JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Personaly.....I hate deer drives......thankfully they're illegal in Vermont. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrud Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The deer have no choice. [/ QUOTE ] Theres a long stretch from a well done deer drive and the deer have no choice. As for the record books I see nothing wrong with having deer drive deer in there. It's just a point of view, I've seen people argue that people on private property shouldn't be allowed in the books, as well as anyone that had a guide, etc. We do drives (pushes) every year and to be honest I think it's a fun way to hunt. [/ QUOTE ] I agree with Need2Hunt. If it is legal, why shouldn't it be allowed into the books? We do drives every year also. I think they are a lot of fun. A well organized drive is very safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_Shooter Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? people hunt rabbits,coons and birds with dogs ....why not deer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fourtrax_300 Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? well i dont like deer drives and they are illegal here so i dotn much care what others ways of taking deer are. to each their own Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? while i don't like drives, if it's legal, then it's o.k. with b&c a p&y Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deerhntnwithdogs Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? O MY GOD!!! You guys RULE!!! haha I created my forum in my signature because I was soooo tired of being harrassed about hunting with dogs. Haha Im linkin this up to my site so they can all see that there are still some people who are good out there and have respect and common sense. I really thought opening this post it was gunna be a total dog bashing because thats all I had seen but you guys really have some class. I am proud to call everyone of you a true hunter and fellow american for respecting others ways and not trying to push your ideals on them very classy gentlemen... *golf clap* lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Born2Hunt Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Drives are fair chase. Anyone that has put on a drive knows that deer are smart and usually run circles around the drivers and do not get near the watchers.That said I have years of deer driving under my belt and can say I have harvested all my deer sitting on watch and never on a deer drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nut Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Only problem I have with doing a deer drive is that I am always one of the pushers. Next thing ya know people will say wearing camo and being in a tree stand is not fair chase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWiggely Posted January 11, 2006 Report Share Posted January 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I have been in a few deer drives, and have taken a few deer. I really like it when the people on the neighboring property do their drives, they chase the deer over on our property. Wigs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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