unioncountyslayer Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Personally I hate it. But if it's legal it's legal. But that doesn't mean I'm going to do it. I've all but quit hunting in SC because so many guys hunt deer with dogs down there. It has become such a nucense (sp?). I'll stick to sitting in my stand and taking my chances with all the scouting I've done leading up to the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ny_gun Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I personally think drives are completely fair chase. Over the last 12 years I have been part of hundreds of organized drives consisting of anywhere from 2 to 15 people. They can be very productive and provide for some great times in hunting camp. Over the years countless deer have elooded us. Not because of a poor shot but because they tend to be very intelligent and capable of finding a way around the drivers and watchers. Just this past season I watched a 150 class buck sneak between 2 watchers with neither one knowing the deer was there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
double_drop Posted April 12, 2006 Report Share Posted April 12, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? We do deer drives every year here during shotgun seaosn. Works very well and with our deer population problem here i see nothing wrong with it at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwood_HD Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? If you want my opinion theres deer drivers and theres deer hunters two totally different things. theres no way i could feel happy shooting a record deer that i had to have pushed to me. I'd rather sit in a stand and actually hunt for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWSmith Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] If you want my opinion theres deer drivers and theres deer hunters two totally different things. theres no way i could feel happy shooting a record deer that i had to have pushed to me. I'd rather sit in a stand and actually hunt for it [/ QUOTE ] Fair enough....So lets say your sitting in your treestand and a nice buck walks out into a shooting lane and you drop it. All is good right? Well what you dont know is that someone who could have been walking out along a trail kicked that deer up out of its bed and it decided to go your way and you got lucky. There you are all proud of the harvest...and basically the deer was driven to you. You never saw the guy who did the drive or knew he was there...which one is safer? Knowing which direction people are walking towards you or not knowing at all??? They can be done safely with planning and do help move deer when they have recieved enough pressure to make them bed up most of the day. Anyone hunt Pheasant or Rabbits with dogs or even without them by just busting brush??? Those are drives too!!! How many people sit on the edge of a grass field and wait for the pheasant or rabbits to come into range Because someone prefers one style of hunting over another does not give them the right to call another hunter less than themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossman Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Depends on what part of the season? If it's arhery, or the first week of rifle, then I don't like it. But when it gets down to the first week of december and I have no deer in the freezer and hunted hard all year, then I will get the fog horn out and go for it!!!!! --rossman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] Because someone prefers one style of hunting over another does not give them the right to call another hunter less than themselves. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. It always amazes me how superior one guy feels over the next because they hunt differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Good responce Venihelper I love doing 1 or 2 man deer drives, with a 1 or 2 sitters waiting to see what shows up. Deer have an uncanning way of sneaking around you or holding tight, and then running the the opposite direction that you'd like them to anyway. When we do small drives like this, the drivers aren't out there beating pots and pans and making all kinds of racket, just to get the deer moving. Instead, the drivers themselves are also hoping for a deer and are slowly still hunting the woods in a well thought out pattern. It still takes a good knowledge of the area and deer travel routes, not unlike setting up in a good spot to wait for deer. By doing drives this way, the deer come out the other end(if they do) walking, not running. It's a nice relaxed way of doing a drive where all involved have the oportunity at a deer. There been many times, I've done little drives like this for friends, and I ended up with the deer, not them.I call this "HUNTING" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwood_HD Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Around here they will have groups of 10-15 driving small lots like 5 acres. and the drivers around here arent safe, i almost got shot last year from one shooting at a deer that was over 100 yards out of range. Maybe i dont like drives so much because i almost got shot, but o well sorry if i affended anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] Around here they will have groups of 10-15 driving small lots like 5 acres. and the drivers around here arent safe, i almost got shot last year from one shooting at a deer that was over 100 yards out of range. Maybe i dont like drives so much because i almost got shot, but o well sorry if i affended anyone. [/ QUOTE ] I can see your point. There are safe deer drives and there are unsafe deer drives. The safety facter should always come first while hunting for anyone. It is possible to do safe deer drives, but to many it's more like a helter skelter type of hunt. Those types of drives aren't for me either, but I'm not going to say all deer drives are a bad thing and unethical or unsafe, because that's just not true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Finn Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] Around here they will have groups of 10-15 driving small lots like 5 acres. and the drivers around here arent safe, i almost got shot last year from one shooting at a deer that was over 100 yards out of range. Maybe i dont like drives so much because i almost got shot, but o well sorry if i affended anyone. [/ QUOTE ] I can see your point...but that's not at all the way my family makes drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJL Posted April 18, 2006 Report Share Posted April 18, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? If you ever read the story of the Milo Hanson Buck, you will learn that that deer was harvested as part of a drive. That deer was shot seven times that day, Milo happened to put him down. Deer Drives=Fair Chase...................I don't know Deer Drives=Legal.............Yes. In certain areas. Deer Drives= Ethical.............To each his own. "When we all think the same, we will all quit thinking"..................john wooden. You get your deer however you want...........and I'll get mine as well. As long as we follow the rules and hunt safely we'll be fine. Life's short.....Play hard. JJL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardwood_HD Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? yea i have his story on a video, shot 7 times cant believe the deer didnt die before especially with rifles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jduffy03 Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I do not have a problem with deer drives. I can see where some may have problems. But it all comes down to the ethics of a hunter....who is going to shoot at a running deer at 400 yards away or whatever. I have saw many drives where the poster has gotten 25-yard shots at deer nearly walking from being pushed from a drive (or ever standing there looking back at what scared them up a quarter mile back). I live up here in South Dakota and only about a million pheasants get shot on "drives" where they have been in their "bed" and some hunter has stumbled onto them and has made a "running" shot (like on deer) or in this case, flying shot with a shotgun on a scared bird. This is the only way I have known to hunt pheasants. And in pheasant hunting, I beleive its ethical ONLY to shoot a bird when its flying, not running or sitting there. I beleive it is just in the nature of the hunt and in some places its may be more necessary or popular to use deer drives. For instance, here in South Dakota, (don't get me wrong, I'd rather sit somewhere and have the deer come by me without knowing im there....and this is how i do things 90% of the time) there is little tree cover and to make it to one of your hunting spots that consists of 3 acres of trees, you are going to spook up most any deer thats in the area anyways. So if you are carrying a rifle and the spot you are hunting is only 150 x 150 yards in area or so, its hard not to accidentally "create" your own deer drive by just spooking deer up within 100 yards of you. Don't me wrong...I can see both sides of this one, but i beleive it is ultimately in the hands of the hunter and his or her own ethics. On making this post in these forums I have no doubt that some of the sport's most ethical hunters have made posts here and perhaps are reading this. I just think that some things just depend on the situation or environment and that is your own judgement call to make. I have no doubt some are "deadeyes" when it comes to hitting moving targets. Some shouldn't even attempt it. It all comes down to knowing your own limits. God bless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathcoerracin Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? i agree thers nothin in the world wrong with deer drives, we use dogs EVERY saturday and we kill alot of deer.plus i killed my first buck this year on one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deerhntnwithdogs Posted April 22, 2006 Report Share Posted April 22, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] i agree thers nothin in the world wrong with deer drives, we use dogs EVERY saturday and we kill alot of deer.plus i killed my first buck this year on one [/ QUOTE ] ahhh another deer dogger yes! haha. Its always good to see another dog hunter out there. What kinda dogs do you guys use? We use walkers and soem beagles and a few mixes between the 2. -Chase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaTrophyHunter Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? we use beagles, julies, and running walkers some blurticks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deerhntnwithdogs Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? cool I dont have any of my own yet but we use my uncles walkers. Theres no better sound in the world than a pack of hounds hot on a deer getting closer...and closer....and CLOSER... AND CLOSER untill you hear the deer crashing and then it busts out and slams on brakes (or the exact oppisite it always seems in my case) and POW. ooo I get goosebumps thinkin about it haha. Never heard of Julies (unless its a nickname i dunno about) what are they? -Chase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaTrophyHunter Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I really don't know but we've used them every since i started but as far as know they are not a recognized breed. they are little bigger and faster than the walkers though. we have two a light red and gray. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted April 25, 2006 Report Share Posted April 25, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I'm reaaly impressed folks. This is the longest I've ever seen a thread about drives go without having to delete it. Thank you for keeping it civil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swamphunter Posted April 26, 2006 Report Share Posted April 26, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] I'm reaaly impressed folks. This is the longest I've ever seen a thread about drives go without having to delete it. Thank you for keeping it civil. [/ QUOTE ] Ya, well it had actually ran its course and was put to bed back on 01-17-06, but generallee went dumpster diving and brought it back to life on 04-06-06! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaTrophyHunter Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? Looks like this post is finally goin down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] Looks like this post is finally goin down [/ QUOTE ] It was until you brought it back up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reloader Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Looks like this post is finally goin down [/ QUOTE ] It was until you brought it back up. [/ QUOTE ] And then you brought it up again 2 days later... DOH! this means I just brought it up too....AUGHHH!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughboy1956 Posted May 7, 2006 Report Share Posted May 7, 2006 Re: Drives=Fair Chase? I never put down another hunter or the way they hunt, unless it.s not legal. I don,t like pen hunts. I don,t consider it hunting, just shooting, so i,m not contradicting myself. And my view on deer drives. If its legal that's ok with me. I would not do it. We have what is called the Highlands down here. It is about 50 miles long and the same lenght ways. Not a house on it. There were lots of deer in the Highlands at one time. Now, only bear and Moose. In my opinion(for what its worth) it is the deer drives that did away with the whitetail up there. The big companies that cut tree's, had to leave strips of forest areas. The strips were only about 50 ft. wide. When the deer were driven they stayed in this small strip were the other hunters were waiting. No more deer up there. Was it the deer drives? I think so. IMUO. If the deer came back, would i try to stop the deer drives? No. i would fight for their right to hunt that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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