johnf Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 This is why politics and religion DO mix. With the nuclear situation in Iran, it is entirely feasable that Isreal would want to launch a pre-emptive strike against Iran before they have full nuclear capabilities. This would send the middle east into a frenzy. Russia, who provides most of the the middle east with military equiptment would want to stabilze the situation. The most logical way for them to do this would be to form an aliance with the Muslem states and attack Isreal. No Isreal=peace in the middle East. This is where we have the biblical situation. Russia is in the biblical region of Gog while a unified middle Eastern uniion is Magog. This is straight out of the book of Revilations. Gog and Magog join forces to attack Isreal and are destroyed by God in the mountains before reaching Isreal. For those of you who don't belive the bible, this shouldn't matter. For the rest of us, this is a very................anxious time. Opinions, comments welcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbowman Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio read the bible again, Gog and Magog come after the 1000 year millenium. Armageddon comes first and that's where God comes and destroys the enemies of Israel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio That's an interpritation along with post tribulation rapture, yet another interpritation I don't agree with, not fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio So what you are saying johnf is that you don't take the bible literally? Do you pick and choose which you choose to take literally and agree with? I am just wondering because I have seen numerous arguments on here about literal interpretations vs. non-literal and how others on here are made to feel un-Christian or told they are atheists because they don't believe and agree with 100% of what is in the bible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio No I'm talking about interpreting the same thing literally in two different ways. It's like two people seeing the same thing happen and taking away two different ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio Apart from the Biblical references, I'm going to say that your premise of no Israel = peace in the Middle East is incorrect. Those are undoubtedly the most bellicose group of people on the planet. If Israel isn't there, they'll still find plenty of reasons to fight each other and the West. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio But that is what they see as the reason for most of their actions at present. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio So..... whose book is right? Those that follow the Koran... or those that follow the Bible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest INHunterman Posted January 23, 2006 Report Share Posted January 23, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] So..... whose book is right? Those that follow the Koran... or those that follow the Bible? [/ QUOTE ] The bible of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebeilgard Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio remember, that neck of the world has not seen a 10 year period of peace since jesus walked the earth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio The Koran was written by a schizophrenic, child molester named Mohomid who wrote it when he awoke from eppileptic seisures. The Koan took the beginning of the bible and some of the teachings of Christ, added to them and perverted them into a book that teaches hate, death and redemption through murder. To put the Koran and the bible on the same plain is ignorant at best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] The Koran was written by a schizophrenic, child molester named Mohomid who wrote it when he awoke from eppileptic seisures. The Koan took the beginning of the bible and some of the teachings of Christ, added to them and perverted them into a book that teaches hate, death and redemption through murder. To put the Koran and the bible on the same plain is ignorant at best. [/ QUOTE ] Then there are those that state that the Bible is nothing but a book of Jewish folk tales! That Christians tried to conquer the world to MAKE people adhere to their beliefs! The Old Testament teaches that war is the way to heaven. It's all in the manner of interpretation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] The Old Testament teaches that war is the way to heaven. [/ QUOTE ] No it doesn't It does however show us how God established law through some battles that he sanctioned. There is no promise of eternal bliss in the old testament, concerning war or killing anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfrompa Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] For those of you who don't belive the bible, this shouldn't matter. For the rest of us, this is a very................anxious time. Opinions, comments welcome. [/ QUOTE ] We as christians need not be anxious. But in all things seek God's will and rest in the truth that God has won and no matter what things look like he is in charge. And even if we are killed we will be with him. Remember we are just passing through this earth on our way to eternity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Andrea Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For those of you who don't belive the bible, this shouldn't matter. For the rest of us, this is a very................anxious time. Opinions, comments welcome. [/ QUOTE ] We as christians need not be anxious. But in all things seek God's will and rest in the truth that God has won and no matter what things look like he is in charge. And even if we are killed we will be with him. Remember we are just passing through this earth on our way to eternity. [/ QUOTE ] Well, as Christians, shouldn't we be anxious to get to Heaven and see God?? I think that is what johnf meant. Not to be worried, but be........anxious!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio Please read this prayer from an American.... Great Spirit, once more behold me on earth and lean to hear my feeble voice. You lived first, and you are older than all need, older than all prayer. All things belong to you - the two-legged, the four-legged, the wings of the air, and all green things that live. You have set the powers of the four quarters of the earth to cross each other. You have made me cross the good road and road of difficulties, and where they cross, the place is holy. Day in, day out, forevermore, you are the life of things." Black Elk: Holy Man of the Oglala Sioux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] The Old Testament teaches that war is the way to heaven. It's all in the manner of interpretation. [/ QUOTE ] Spoken like a person who has never read the old testiment. It's not a matter of interpretation, that's a matter of being able to read on a 6th grade level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For those of you who don't belive the bible, this shouldn't matter. For the rest of us, this is a very................anxious time. Opinions, comments welcome. [/ QUOTE ] We as christians need not be anxious. But in all things seek God's will and rest in the truth that God has won and no matter what things look like he is in charge. And even if we are killed we will be with him. Remember we are just passing through this earth on our way to eternity. [/ QUOTE ] Well, as Christians, shouldn't we be anxious to get to Heaven and see God?? I think that is what johnf meant. Not to be worried, but be........anxious!! [/ QUOTE ] Worried for the unsaved and anxious to get them to understand the good news and to get me and them into heaven. Hope that clarifies my statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio Need not to worry.... For the time speedily shall come that all churches which are built up to get gain, and all those who are built up to get power over the flesh, and those who are built up to become popular in the eyes of the world, and those who seek the lusts of the flesh and the things of the world, and to do all manner of iniquity; yea, in fine, all those who belong to the kingdom of the devil are they who need fear, and tremble, and quake; they are those who must be brought low in the dust; they are those who must be consumed as stubble; and this is according to the words of the prophet. 1 NEPHI 22:23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio It seems that every street corner preacher and political radical has been predicting the end times since the beginning of Christianity... " 18I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. 19And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book. " Rev 22:18-19 This is what I hear in my head every time someone predicts the end is near. In Revelations, it says it is soon-is that not good enough? Instead of just having faith, people try to make predictions, debate about the rapture, etc. If you are saved--does exactly WHAT happens at the end of this world even relevent? Sure, it's human nature to have some thoughts on when it may happen--we are not pefect. But admittedly, I roll my eyes every time someone does make a prediction on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfrompa Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For those of you who don't belive the bible, this shouldn't matter. For the rest of us, this is a very................anxious time. Opinions, comments welcome. [/ QUOTE ] We as christians need not be anxious. But in all things seek God's will and rest in the truth that God has won and no matter what things look like he is in charge. And even if we are killed we will be with him. Remember we are just passing through this earth on our way to eternity. [/ QUOTE ] Well, as Christians, shouldn't we be anxious to get to Heaven and see God?? I think that is what johnf meant. Not to be worried, but be........anxious!! [/ QUOTE ] I stand corrected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] Spoken like a person who has never read the old testiment. It's not a matter of interpretation, that's a matter of being able to read on a 6th grade level. [/ QUOTE ] Funny, someone says your wrong about something you say its open to intrerpretation, somebody else says something you disagree with you get insulting about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio Thanks Horst! Theologians have been "interpreting the Bible" for hundreds of years.... most had more than a "6th grade education"! Here's another venue.... http://www.sevenseals.com (works best with I/E) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Spoken like a person who has never read the old testiment. It's not a matter of interpretation, that's a matter of being able to read on a 6th grade level. [/ QUOTE ] Funny, someone says your wrong about something you say its open to intrerpretation, somebody else says something you disagree with you get insulting about it. [/ QUOTE ] Not an insult, the bible for the most part is written on about a 6th grade level. If someone has read it and can comprehend that level they would know that that was an incorrect statement. There is nothing left to interpritation. I was not insulting him just doubting he ever read it in the first place. Good to see you chime in Horst. It's been a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: Religious/political Scenerio [ QUOTE ] 1 NEPHI 22:23 [/ QUOTE ] From the book of Mormon for those of you who don't know. See Marky's post, he pretty much covered this one. No offence intended, but Mormon's believe a great deception and are bound for a sinners ****. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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