David_218 Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Indiana Bill Imposes Hunting Buffer Zones- (01/20) Indiana Join our e-mail alert list An Indiana legislator recently introduced a bill that could restrict landowners from hunting on their own property. Senate Bill 261, sponsored by Sen. Connie Sipes, D-New Albany, would prohibit the firing of a bullet, arrow, or other projectile within 200 yards of a residence without the landowner’s permission. This would place unnecessary burdens on landowners and would allow neighbors to impose restrictions on sportsmen, gun clubs and local governments that conduct urban hunts to manage wildlife. The bill awaits action in the Senate Committee on Corrections, Criminal, and Civil Matters. Anti’s have tried to impose similar restrictions on sportsmen in other states. In 2005, bills were introduced in Connecticut, New York, New Mexico, North Dakota, Rhode Island, South Carolina and Texas that would place unnecessary distance limitations on hunting. Take Action! Indiana sportsmen should let their senators know that SB 261 is unacceptable. Explain that it infringes upon landowner rights and could allow people to control activities on neighboring properties. To contact your senator, call (800) 382-9467 or use the Legislative Action Center at www.ussportsmen.org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Yeah, we easily defeated the one in Texas last year. Hopefully, you'll have the same results in Indiana. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Hoosiers- When contacting your state law makers, make sure to point out these things: 1)This law will be wholly inneffective in its stated purpose-except bows, the weapons used to hunt in IN have effective ranges of 5-1500 yards. To arbitrarily pick 200 yards is absurd. Absurd bills should not become laws. 2)There is already a law prohibiting hunting in a manner that poses serious danger to others-and it is a FELONY called criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. This proposed legislation is weaker and redundant, thus it should not pass. 3)This is most assuredly going to lead to an impermissible violation of private property rights. 4)This would prohibit some of the urban hunts that are being used as a tool to control the exploding urban deer populations which are causing problems in localized communities. 5)Many municipalities and counties have their own regulations in place, that are tailored to the specific needs and desires of the communities-a one-size-fits-all, state-wide law would best serve no one. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] Hoosiers- When contacting your state law makers, make sure to point out these things: 1)This law will be wholly inneffective in its stated purpose-except bows, the weapons used to hunt in IN have effective ranges of 5-1500 yards. To arbitrarily pick 200 yards is absurd. Absurd bills should not become laws. 2)There is already a law prohibiting hunting in a manner that poses serious danger to others-and it is a FELONY called criminal recklessness with a deadly weapon. This proposed legislation is weaker and redundant, thus it should not pass. 3)This is most assuredly going to lead to an impermissible violation of private property rights. 4)This would prohibit some of the urban hunts that are being used as a tool to control the exploding urban deer populations which are causing problems in localized communities. 5)Many municipalities and counties have their own regulations in place, that are tailored to the specific needs and desires of the communities-a one-size-fits-all, state-wide law would best serve no one. HB [/ QUOTE ] What burns me up, the State of Indiana looks away from the use of Illegal FIREWORKS, when the LAW states: Fireworks are Illegal to use in Indiana. Yet I see fireworks being sold & used around the State of Indiana. Something wrong here! While I don't think it has a Ghost of a chance of passing, a bill such as SB-261, would simply end about 90% of hunting in Indiana. Some Hoosier Sportsmen hold Litftime Hunting Licenses and this law would drastictly reduce the areas they would be able to hunt. So they spent all that money for very little or nothing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! From how this is worded it sounds to me like the only thing that would restrict hunting is if the landowner says he doesn't want someone shooting within 200 yards of his residence. A pretty reasonable request it seems like to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] From how this is worded it sounds to me like the only thing that would restrict hunting is if the landowner says he doesn't want someone shooting within 200 yards of his residence. A pretty reasonable request it seems like to me. [/ QUOTE ] NOPE! this is not the case here. It means EVERYWHERE within 200 yards of a residence! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Actually, it's any landowner, even if you want to hang a treestand across the road on your own property, facing away from his house at 175 yards distant, using only archery tackle. He can just decline and you are in violation!! Still sound reasonable?? HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! they wont stop me from doing it... thats a law that I will break, and wont feel a dang bit of remorse of doing so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 24, 2006 Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Court costs are $156.00 If it's a C Misdemeanor, it would be punishable by 60 days jail and additional fines of up to $500. There is a possibility of suspended hunting privelages, too. That would include license revocation. Want to hear more?? HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 24, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] Court costs are $156.00 If it's a C Misdemeanor, it would be punishable by 60 days jail and additional fines of up to $500. There is a possibility of suspended hunting privelages, too. That would include license revocation. Want to hear more?? HB [/ QUOTE ] Sounds like they are trying to turn once legal Hunters into criminals, doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Well heck wish you all the best of luck against that. That is crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] Well heck wish you all the best of luck against that. That is crap. [/ QUOTE ] I am seriously considering a move to Kentucky in the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Since they took our lifetime licenses away that I wanted to but my future children and my grand kids, I already thought about moving maybe to Minnesota or Iowa. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! I don't think those states have LL like we had, either. Most of the states LL are only equal to your annual hunting lic, not incl. all deer and turkey tags. There is proposed legislation to bring back the LL. It's HB 1039. I was one level off in my recitation earlier, as proposed SB 261 would make violation a class B misdemeanor, which carries up to 180 jail/$1000 in fines. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] Since they took our lifetime licenses away that I wanted to but my future children and my grand kids, I already thought about moving maybe to Minnesota or Iowa. [/ QUOTE ] With our Current Governor "Our Man Mitch" who is selling Indiana to the highest bidder (Roads) I am starting to think there will be a lot more "Hoosiers" moving away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] I don't think those states have LL like we had, either. Most of the states LL are only equal to your annual hunting lic, not incl. all deer and turkey tags. There is proposed legislation to bring back the LL. It's HB 1039. I was one level off in my recitation earlier, as proposed SB 261 would make violation a class B misdemeanor, which carries up to 180 jail/$1000 in fines. HB [/ QUOTE ] I always though the Lifetime Hunting Licenses was a stupid idea. The state makes some quick money then that money goes into the "General Fund" to be used for other projects. I hope that SB-261 bill get killed off! I can't see how ONE person could decided everything for us. Something like this should require a public vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! ill play devils advocate here for a minute.We have a law in place here in Iowa already that makes it illegal to shoot within 200 yrds of buildings, livestock, or houses.Unless things are a lot different there its really not that restrictive of law.And it makes a certain degree of sense from a safety standpoint.Id feel better if I lived in the country and knew no one was sitting within 200 yrds of my kids playing in the yard with a loaded weapon.I dont see the need for it to apply to bowhunting but other than that you guys are acting like the only place to hunt is in the middle of someones yard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] the weapons used to hunt in IN have effective ranges of 5-1500 yards. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly what kind of guns can you use in IN that had effective ranges of 1500 yards? Nothing that is allowed in the states I have hunted meets that description. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] ill play devils advocate here for a minute.We have a law in place here in Iowa already that makes it illegal to shoot within 200 yrds of buildings, livestock, or houses.Unless things are a lot different there its really not that restrictive of law.And it makes a certain degree of sense from a safety standpoint.Id feel better if I lived in the country and knew no one was sitting within 200 yrds of my kids playing in the yard with a loaded weapon.I dont see the need for it to apply to bowhunting but other than that you guys are acting like the only place to hunt is in the middle of someones yard [/ QUOTE ] Iowa is a bigger state than Indiana, and the population of Indiana is larger too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [/ QUOTE ]Exactly what kind of guns can you use in IN that had effective ranges of 1500 yards? Nothing that is allowed in the states I have hunted meets that description. [/ QUOTE ] Here in Indiana we are restricted to Shotgun Slugs, Handguns, and M/L for Deer. We can use centerfire rifles to hunt woodchucks, coyotes, and other game besides Deer or Wild Turkey. There is not that many (if any) shots taken at 1,500 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_218 Posted January 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Here's a more specific link: http://www.in.gov/apps/lsa/session/billw...261#latest_info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! AJ-"effective" was used in lieu of "dangerous" for obviuos reasons. Look right on your .22 box, it probably says that the lowly .22 is dangerous up to a mile away, that's 1760 yards. I am not saying that we shoot at things that far away, but if we are talking safe distances, why not take it all the way to the logical extreme, to highlight the absurdity of it? ****, I coulde have said five miles, since that's the generally accepted dangerous range for a .30-'06, but I figured that would take too much explaining...so I went a little conservative and...it hasn't really panned out that great, either. Most elected officials know little or nothing about this stuff, so I might as well give them the facts in the light most favorable to my position. Agreed? David 218-The LL fund was not the "General Fund." It was a seperate capital fund for the DNR. Also, I'm not sure how you have it figured that "ONE person" is deciding anything for us. This is the legislative process, and a great many people are involved, including you if you choose to make your voice heard by your elected representatives in Indianapolis. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ill play devils advocate here for a minute.We have a law in place here in Iowa already that makes it illegal to shoot within 200 yrds of buildings, livestock, or houses.Unless things are a lot different there its really not that restrictive of law.And it makes a certain degree of sense from a safety standpoint.Id feel better if I lived in the country and knew no one was sitting within 200 yrds of my kids playing in the yard with a loaded weapon.I dont see the need for it to apply to bowhunting but other than that you guys are acting like the only place to hunt is in the middle of someones yard [/ QUOTE ] Iowa is a bigger state than Indiana, and the population of Indiana is larger too. [/ QUOTE ] Iowa also has the second least amount of public hunting land of any state in the US.Which means well over 90% of the hunting done in this state takes place on privately owned ground.Throw in our populaity as a pheasant/deer hunting state and Id bet we get a lot more hunters per year on these private grounds to.And even with all that going on this laws still never been a problem. Also I looked at the link to the bill you gave and couldnt see anywhere in it where it stated that someone could tell you you couldnt hunt someone elses land.Matter of fact thats what the whole bill looked like to me, just an effort to crack down a little on tresspassing, the key phrase through the whole bill is "without permission" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Horst- Does your law apply to the scenario I laid out above-with the treestand 175 yards onto your own property? I don't know the wording of yours, but ours specifically mentions arrows and bullets. We have a lot of deer living in and around rural subdivisions and even in fairly metropolitan areas, and these areas/the DNR are working to use bowhunting to control these populations-like 4 extra deer above and beyond regular bag limits. A significant amout of this control hunting would be precluded by passage of this law. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosierbuck Posted January 25, 2006 Report Share Posted January 25, 2006 Re: SB-261 Will Restrict Hunting In Indiana! Horst- Most assuredly, the bill states that you may not shoot within 200 yards of an inhabited dwelling, regardless of who's property you are doing the shooting on. Trust me on this one. HB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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