slugshooter Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] texan til i die , you seem to say that government evesdroping is fine with you; well you also said this in a different thread ; "In other words, I see this as just another example of government intrusion into an area where they should have no say what so ever." so where do you really stand when it comes to government intrusion into our lives? [/ QUOTE ] If it is something that he agrees with, it's fine. If it's anything else he is most likely against it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horst Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Register all your firearms now.you have nothing to hide right? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your firearm in the US is already registered when you purchase it..... and if it isn't you illegally purchased it.... Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- And your right to free speech.The government should be allowed to censor that at any time it pleases. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- It's already censored in schools and government buildings.... So there's nothing NEW there... Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Your freedom of religion.Who needs it, its another meaningless right. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This also is censored in schools and government buildings.... Heaven forbid your kid celebrate Christmas in a classroom were there is a Jahova Witnees child,, that parent will go through the roof and start suing everybody in sight... [/ QUOTE ] Yep, and the same guys who arent worried about the right to privacy are the ones that holler the most when these other right get violated.Thats my point. Apparently theyve also affected your rights more then you were willing to admitt to in your first posts as well or you wouldnt have all these little observations to make. And finally, if your willing to sit back, watch these things happen, and not complain about it, you werent the one I was talking to anyway.Its the ones that are complaining about certain rights being violated while theyre willing to overlook other ones that I was addressing. [ QUOTE ] To me the gathering of information, is way different than sensorship [/ QUOTE ] And to me its a package deal, we should expect it all or none of it, and I dont think thats what our founding fathers had in mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping It's a war. I think the standards are different in a time of war. The complaints I hear against all this and the war are the same left-wing arguements heard during WWII and which kept us out of it longer than we should have been. Maybe more lives would have been saved had we not been held back then - same as now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] texan til i die , you seem to say that government evesdroping is fine with you; well you also said this in a different thread ; "In other words, I see this as just another example of government intrusion into an area where they should have no say what so ever." so where do you really stand when it comes to government intrusion into our lives? [/ QUOTE ] The other thread was referencing a proposed law that would mandate exactly how much a private company will spend on employee healthcare and other benefits. I certainly DO NOT think that's an area where there should be government involvement. In this thread, we're talking about national security/defense. And that is (or should be) the NUMBER ONE priority of government. Apples and oranges my friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] In this thread, we're talking about national security/defense. And that is (or should be) the NUMBER ONE priority of government. [/ QUOTE ] But does that mean that the government should be able to circumvent the Bill of Rights that is held so sacred in this forum when discussing the 2nd Amendment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] But does that mean that the government should be able to circumvent the Bill of Rights that is held so sacred in this forum when discussing the 2nd Amendment? [/ QUOTE ] I don't believe the government is circumventing anything. To quote myself from an earlier post in this thread... [ QUOTE ] I think everything that's happening right now is clearly sanctioned under the War Powers Act and the Joint Resolution passed by Congress on September 14, 2001. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VermontHunter Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] Apparently theyve also affected your rights more then you were willing to admitt to in your first posts as well or you wouldnt have all these little observations to make. [/ QUOTE ] Actually horst, I don't see where any of my civil rights have been violated,,, and my observations were based on what others seem to find offensive.. It all boils down to people thinking that the government is out to get them with all of this information gathering..... I ask you all, when was the last time any government official came knocking on your door ?? I bet it was most likely never, RIGHT ?? So why all of the concern all of a sudden ?? Believe it or not the government has been collecting so called information way before you and I were even thought of.... it's what they do,,, And horst I don't think our founding fathers had to worry about terroists in their time,, our world today is a evolving enitiy,, and it's not what I would call the safest place to live this day and age... ,, it's pretty sad when we have to look over our shoulders expecting the next bomb to go off..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AllArmyoutdoorsSD Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping I tried to make this point the other day but for some reason my post dissapeared..... Abe Lincoln evicted an Ohio politician who went against Lincons views 0n the Civil War.. WW2 FDR had all soldiers mail opened, and all Japanese and their families put into concentration camps... JFK wire tapped Martin Luther King Jr. without court approval. At this very moment American Troops are fighting and dying in a far off country, so that innocent Americans don't have to here, The US. Govt. is doing it's best to assist them in that mission. So tell me why are crying about evesdropping on people with ties to terroist cells? Every time a Soldier dies, i have lost a family member, a family member that CHOSE to make sacrifices that will bennefit a country of whiners and naysayers that don't have a clue about what it means to 4,000 miles away from their spouses and kids, with the knowledge that you might not ever get to see them again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In this thread, we're talking about national security/defense. And that is (or should be) the NUMBER ONE priority of government. [/ QUOTE ] But does that mean that the government should be able to circumvent the Bill of Rights that is held so sacred in this forum when discussing the 2nd Amendment? [/ QUOTE ] All of a sudden the government is circumventing our rights? The FISA Act which the President is using to monitor terrorist activities is the same act that was enacted under Carter's administration in 1978 and that every President has used since then. But, President Bush uses the act to safeguard us and all of a sudden it's wrong. You on the left can't say it's wrong today when it wasn't wrong yesterday. The problem is President Bush isn't an "enabler." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping And, besides, isn't it the left that continues to say that the Constitution is a "living document" that adapts to changing times, i.e. abortion, equal opprotunity, entitlement programs, gun control, and so forth. But, when it comes to protecting us we have to take a hard-line interpretation of the Constitution. If it is a living document and subject to our changing times then what's the rub? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texan_Til_I_Die Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] And, besides, isn't it the left that continues to say that the Constitution is a "living document" that adapts to changing times, i.e. abortion, equal opprotunity, entitlement programs, gun control, and so forth. But, when it comes to protecting us we have to take a hard-line interpretation of the Constitution. If it is a living document and subject to our changing times then what's the rub? [/ QUOTE ] Oooooohhhhh, oldksnarc shoots and he scores!!!! That little piece of liberal hypocrisy had completely slipped by me. Great observation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowJoe Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping I think the greater picture is that if not for the government (in some cases) doing things without our knowledge, we wouldn't be the country the whole world watches for their own decisions. I think it's a matter of not liking the president and wanting to pick on whatever he does. Some have gone overboard and accused him of everything from global warming to the terrorist attack on 9/11. If it were reversed, everything John Kerry did would be the same way. I think no man is perfect but we don't know the entire story why everything happens that's made public. I think every president has a whole lot of secrets we may never find out about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdickey Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] I think every president has a whole lot of secrets we may never find out about. [/ QUOTE ] Old saying..... "MOST PEOPLE CAN KEEP A SECRET; IT'S THE FOLKS THEY TELL IT TO... WHO CAN'T!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldksnarc Posted February 2, 2006 Report Share Posted February 2, 2006 Re: Govt Eavesdropping [ QUOTE ] Some have gone overboard and accused him of everything from global warming to the terrorist attack on 9/11. [/ QUOTE ] Don't forget Katrina and Rita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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