randyoitker1 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 I have jst read an article about an upcoming episode of CSI (Feb.1) about two murders with a compound bow. The bow company thinks that it will be great advertising for them! I think that this will hurt our industry very much. What is your opinion? I know that I have many concerns about this protrayal. It says that 2 people are shot from a rooftop with bows. I just wanted to know your opinions. Randy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow It's a television show, and most people know it's not real, but then again there are those that end up on juries and expect it to be like Law & Order or CSI, but in the long run, I see no problem with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow Here's my 2 cents People kill people, not guns, or bows, or knives, or baseball bats. You could outlaw every weapon and everything that could be used as a weapon, and you'd still have murders. With that said........[ QUOTE ] The bow company thinks that it will be great advertising for them! [/ QUOTE ] I think it's a sad, sad day for mankind, if a company, any company, welcomes the exposure of their product, for advertizing purposes, when that product was used to kill someone. For a company to even entertain the idea of the exposure of their product in such a way, as good for the company, is sinful and disgusting That's my opinion....."The "LOVE" of money is the root of all kinds of evil." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I'ld like to see where the company says it likes this exposure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whttlbucksteve Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow Just the wrong advertizing,they should not show the bow or the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun_300 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I agree, I think the bow company will dissagree with it, surely they can come up with something better than CSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I don't think this can be considered brand bashing, since they have it posted on their home-page for all to see. http://www.bowtecharchery.com/ My opinion is still the same I also sent the company an email Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I guess I'm the oddball here. How can you not call more than 1 million viewers bad exposure? Like buckee said, people kill people, not the weapons. I've watched upteen shows where people have used rifles to kill others. If anything at all about the weapon passed through my mind, it was "That's a sweet rifle." I highly doubt potential bow buyers are going to see the bow and be turned off by the way its being used. Its a TV show not a commercial. JMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow [ QUOTE ] I've watched upteen shows where people have used rifles to kill others [/ QUOTE ] True, but did the rifle manufacturers actually make a deal with the producers of CSI to use their product in their show. You see, that is where the shame lies. [ QUOTE ] Its a TV show not a commercial. [/ QUOTE ] I beg to differ Kevin. According to BowTech themselves, it is a commercial venture. That's what I find appalling Just my Opinion ..eh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow So..it's OK to pretend to shoot another human being with a bow, to advertise your product ??? (Since CSI is fictional and just a TV show) What's the difference here..Why doesn't the company find a real murder with a bow and televise the news report themselves with a little blurb after the report saying "This news report was brought to you by ???". Do you see what I'm getting at here. Fictional or not, it's just plain wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrow32 Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow Yes like buckee put it people kill not guns. World is changeing its all about money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow [ QUOTE ] World is changeing its all about money. [/ QUOTE ] BINGO ...pretty sad eh .................. Quote from BowTechs web-site [ QUOTE ] January 26, 2006 BOWTECH SUBJECT OF MURDER INVESTIGATION CBS hit television series CSI: New York will feature BowTech compound bows in an upcoming episode. Episode #214, titled "Stuck on You", is scheduled to air Wednesday, February 1st at 10:00 PM, PST. Due to the efforts of Michael Blanton of Hunter's Friend, a BowTech dealer in Kentucky, CSI: New York selected a fully outfitted 2006 Allegiance and a 2006 Target Blue-Chrome Tribute to use as props in the episode. The producers were looking for an archery expert when they discovered Blanton through the Internet. "I'm not sure what will come of this", Blanton commented, "but I'm quite excited about the possibilities. You couldn't buy advertising like this if you tried and there may be a lot of folks asking "Where can I get a bow like that?" the day after the show airs". Over nineteen million viewers tune in to watch CSI: New York weekly. The plot evolves around a murder investigation in which an assailant shoots two individuals from a rooftop with a high-powered compound bow (BowTech Allegiance). CSI gets a lead on the shooter's identity, and they search the suspect's house only to discover a secret hiding place for the bow. Later at the lab, the BowTech Tribute is used for forensic testing and is shot by CSI: New York stars Gary Sinise (Detective Mack Taylor) and Anna Belknap (Investigator Lindsey Monroe). "What a great opportunity for additional brand exposure to millions of potential new archers", stated Gene Shands, BowTech Vice President of Marketing. "The CSI folks required a high performance archery product that represented the industry's latest and greatest technology, and they got it." BowTech manufactures and distributes the world's finest compound bows and archery equipment. Founded in 1999, BowTech''s corporate offices and manufacturing facilities are located on the outskirts of Eugene, Oregon. Today, BowTech divisions include WaterDog Surface Technologies formed in December 2003 and Diamond Archery acquired in September 2004. [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
okbowman Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I don't think it will have an effect on our industry either way, I can't say that all the murders on TV with a gun have had a bad or good effect on the gun industry. Hollywood sure makes a lot of money off of murder! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest deercade Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow what is the company name??? that is just weird to say its good advertisement for human hunting!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waterfowler_gal Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I don't find that much of a positive advertising for our hunting/archery industry... Quote from the Bowtech site info: (You couldn't buy advertising like this if you tried and there may be a lot of folks asking "Where can I get a bow like that?" the day after the show airs".) I really don't think folks will be asking where can I get a bow like that that caused the murders on CSI!! Yeah horay and zippy do da day! And if they do they are probably they type of people you want to run from.... I remember seeing on on the new Dukes of Hazard Video that caused explosion and was aimed towards people.... not a good idea... its bad enough we hear about kids finding guns and people shooting each other with them.... I don't want to have to start reading in the news bows are the next "it" weapon.... As a personal example... a person infront of me about two years ago at Cabela's buying a crossbow and then asking the cashier how to operate it... yes that scares me... RUN! Bows are for archery shooting and to hunt valid species with NOT humans.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCH Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow [ QUOTE ] True, but did the rifle manufacturers actually make a deal with the producers of CSI to use their product in their show. You see, that is where the shame lies. [/ QUOTE ] I don't know. They could have. The only difference is that guns are used on almost every show. It would make sense to me if the gun manufacturer's made deals with the bigger shows in order to get their guns on it. Bows aren't a popluar killing weapon on TV so when a show decides to use them, there's probably a lot of competition to get their's on. Is it bad to want your bow used as a killing weapon on TV?? I don't think so. If this were a true story and the bow company actually liked the publicity then jump all over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow [ QUOTE ] It would make sense to me if the gun manufacturer's made deals with the bigger shows in order to get their guns on it. [/ QUOTE ] Well if that were true, and Winchester actually made deals with Hollywood for all the old westerns, then I guess they are getting what they deserve today, by going out of business. I still love my Winchester 30/30 [ QUOTE ] Is it bad to want your bow used as a killing weapon on TV?? I don't think so. If this were a true story and the bow company actually liked the publicity then jump all over them. [/ QUOTE ] I don't see any difference whether it's a fictional story or a true story here. The Bow company in question, is still using human suffering to advertise their product. It is a morally corupt and morally bankrupt concept to make money, to say the least. That's my personal opinion and I'm sticking to it, but you could change your mind if you like Kevin. Like I said earlier - "The "LOVE" of money is the root of all kinds of evil", and this is one fine example of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I know one thing for sure,..If a Liberal News station were to find out that BowTech has made a deal with the producers of CSI, as an advertizement ploy to give their product exposure, they will jump all over it. Keep feeding those Liberals ..eh..they look hungry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VtBowhunter Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I think you folks are making way to much out of this. You're feeding the liberals with your chatter. I think the show is great, and I look forward to seeing it...........I'm sure anyone with a half a brain will be able to pick it apart anyways..... ........but since you're on the "I'm offended" trip, what about Rambo, The Punisher, Next of Kin, and countless other movies where bows are used? It's a TV show, nbothing more nothing less, and I'll be danged if I'm going to start worrying about what others might think. Y'all are making way to much out of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow I have nothing against the show CSI, in fact my wife and I watch it all the time. That's not the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow Come on people... Do you really think that that can of Pepsi or Coca Cola that is sitting on the police interrogators desk is just a prop? It is no coincidence when television shows and movies use actual products in their movies. There is a huge advertising industry out there that gets paid big bucks for getting products on television. Just a few seconds on screen, and the movie or television show charges thousands of dollars to the company for using their product. That’s where some of the movies make money to get into production. Did you know that the space in your local supermarket is used by the vendor who can make the highest bid? Many times the supermarket makes more from the vendors than they do on profits from the product just because the store agrees to place the product at eye level. Do you really think those stacks and stacks of products in the isle are just there because the store ran out of shelf space? Winchester is probably one of the companies that never had to pay to have their product in western movies. The lever action is so popular in westerns that people actually think that everyone owned a lever action Winchester in the old west. It was actually the shotgun that was most popular and not a lever action rifle. Most of the “taming of the west” took place before Henry, or Winchester ever got their lever actions into production. When Crocodile Dundee pulled out his “KNIFE” it didn’t cause uproar from the knife collectors. It didn’t cause an increase in the crime rate, and it didn’t make people run out to buy the biggest knife they could find. I watch CSI, and will wait to pass judgment until after I have seen the show in question. I am guessing that they will treat it the same as they do with all the murder weapons they have encountered since the show first aired. They will probably say what brand it is, the speed at which it can project an arrow, as well as what a proficient killing device it can be. (The same as if it were a Glock, S&W, or Desert Eagle.) I guess if my product was going to be on a national television show, I'd brag about it too. Yes, even if it was being used as a murder weapon. Heaven forbid if someone is ever killed with a can of soda pop. What if the bow blew up and killed the shooter? Now that would be really, really bad publicity. ….popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow [ QUOTE ] Heaven forbid if someone is ever killed with a can of soda pop. [/ QUOTE ] I can't believe ol' popgun is missing the point here too It's not "Heaven forbid if someone is ever killed with a can of soda pop", because sure enough someone has or will be killed by a can of Pepsi or coke. And, I am fully aware of companies advertising campaigns and space rental in stores...that's not the point either. What I'm saying is God forbid that Pepsi or coke or anyone else for that matter (including BowTech) use murder, mayhem, and Human suffering, to sell their products. It's unethical and immoral. I'm not a prude, but it's bad enough that companies have resorted to using sex to sell their products, as we watch the commercial get more and more explicit with each passing year, but to use murder to sell a product ??? What's this world coming too. I'm not sure now what upsets me more....the fact that a bow company is going to use murder to sell their product, or the fact that some of you just don't care, or don't see the point. Has this ol' world gotten that bad in the last 50 years, that we are all becoming numbed in the brain to this sort of thing ? I'm not saying this to put anyone down for their opinions, I'm saying it because I care about where we are headed in the advertisement industry, while the world sleeps. Does anyone have Integrity anymore or is that fading fast ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTbowman Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow Thanks for the heads up just set the DVR to record it just in case I forget to watch it. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popgun Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow So far all I have seen is the little blurb on the bow companies own website. When I see an actual commercial for the bow, that mentions "As seen on CSI", then I will begin to worry. Since neither the program in question, nor a commercial has aired yet I see little need for concern when there are so many other, and larger problems with television programming. Whoever wrote the blurb on the companies web-page should have worded their article better. ....popgun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted January 28, 2006 Report Share Posted January 28, 2006 Re: CSI-Murder with a Bow You have a good point Popgun. How would anyone know what kind of bow was used in the show, unless it is actually mentioned during the show as a built in commercial or a commercial during commercial breaks. Why would BowTech be so excited about it, if the name brand of the bow is not going to be mentioned during the show? I'll be watching it too. [ QUOTE ] I see little need for concern when there are so many other, and larger problems with television programming. [/ QUOTE ] No one seems to care about those problems either bud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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