buckee Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] If your good you'll never repent and put your faith & trust into Jesus. [/ QUOTE ] I think you mean't to say, "If you think your good", since Jesus already tells us that no one is good, no, not one. Hey man, I'm a Christian too, but I try not to act too surprised when people say they think they are good people. For the most part (worldly speaking of course) they are good people. But yes, Jesus did die for the sins of the whole world and he did point out that no one is good, not even one for a very good reason.............so we would seek him, and put our faith and trust in what he did on the cross. Some folks would rather put their faith in themselves and their own feeling of "goodness". We've had many of these discussions in here before, and it ussually ends up not going quite the way you planned ...if you know what I mean. I'm not ashamed to preach the good news of Jesus Christ either, but sometimes you have to wait for the right time to discuss it with an individual, because they just aren't hearing it right yet. Do you hunt ?? I sure hope so, since this is a hunting forum. I see your a preacher. Tell me something, in all honesty. Do you spend any time with the folks that go to your church, just talking to them, and finding out their needs, wants and struggles in life, or do you always come into a room preaching ? There are a lot of "good" people in here (worldly speaking). Pull up a chair and talk some hunting for a bit... Hey, I'm on your side. It's just a question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] buckee, I do deer hunt. My idol used to be deer hunting!! If we love anything more than Jesus its a idol!! "If any man be IN Christ.." How many things can we be IN at one time?? We have to many INTO Christ and not IN Christ. To many have made Christianity a hobbie!! I'm INTO hunting, golf, football, church, etc.... Do you REALLY BURN HOTTTTT FOR JESUS???? Do you spend more time reading about hunting or this forum than reading the WORD?? [/ QUOTE ] So, I guess you can't say you love deer hunting eh. don't be over zealous bud, you'll wake up someday and realize you did it all for you, and not the Lord. You know Jesus taught us a few other things too. You can have all the things a good preacher needs to preach the gosple, but if you have not LOVE, you have nothing. Maybe you'd be so kind as to post the scripture on that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? I examine myself every day to see where I stand with my Lord. If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:1-3) Definition of Love Love is patient; love is kind; love is not envious or boastful or arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice in wrongdoing, but rejoices in the truth. It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. But as for prophecies, they will come to an end; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will come to an end... And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love. (NRSV, 1 Corinthians 13:4-8, 13) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? You know, when I was a Junior in college I was searching pretty hard for answers that I didn't even really have the questions for. During that year, two girls approached me with the gospel on different occations. The first flat out said "If you don't go to church you're going to ****" My first reactions was "Fine, I'll go to **** then." and never gave it a second thought. The second asked me if I was a Christian and I honestly didn't know how to answer her. She invited me to church, but I always put it off. She was never pushy, but was................. persistant, or maybe consistant would be a better description. After a few months we started descussing scripture and Christ roll in the world, salvation (what it meant and why) after about 6-8 months through lots of discussion, debating and all out arguing I began to study the bible a lot jutst to prove her wrong. Through this study and guidence of the Holy Sprint, I gave my life to Christ. My point is this. There are probibly a lot of people in the world who need to hear a "Fire and Brimbstone" serman to push them in the right direction. BUT for me it took someone showing me Christ like love and real teaching to reach me. I think most people are like me in that respect. We know there is something beyond us, but don't know how to get it. If someone shoves the best tasting food you've ever tasted into your face, your first reactions is to push it away. I would hate to think I've shoved Christ down someone throat and they pushed Him away only to never let Him into thier lives. Give us a little tast of Christ in our time and we WILL want more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Gen 9:2-3 AND THE FEAR OF YOU AND THE DREAD OF YOU SHALL BE UPON EVERY BEAST OF THE EARTH, AND UPON EVERY FOUL OF THE AIR, UPON ALL THAT MOVETH UPON THE EARTH, AND UPON ALL THE FISHES OF THE SEA; INTO YOUR HAND ARE THEY DELIVERED. 3 EVERY MOVING THING THAT LIVETH SHALL BE MEAT FOR YOU: EVEN AS THE GREEN HERB HAVE I GIVEN YOU ALL THINGS. Now that doens't specifically mention deer hunting, but I think it covers it. We are here to do anything in which we can give glory, thanks and praise to our Lord. Including deer hunting, but especially winning souls for Him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Hey born again..the answer is No Im not, thats why Christ had to save me at the cross by HIS grace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Only 2% of christians in America witness...98% dont! Let me ask you again...simple answer buckee, DO YOU BURN HOTTTT FOR JESUS?? [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I burn HOT for Jesus, but maybe just not as many "T's" as you do. ..but then again, I don't really have to answer to men on that issue, just to the Lord. I'm not here to brag up myself, on what an outstanding example of a Christian I am, or ain't. I will humbly say that I am saved by his grace though, because I trust in what he has done in my place on the cross of Calvary. I thank God for the food on my plate, for my Job, for the pleasure of being able physically to get out hunting, and I praise him for all the bounty that I bring home. But I know what your getting at..."Do I try to win souls for Christ every waking hour of every day". The answer to that is No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravin R10 man Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Thanks brother!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfrompa Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] I am no way better than you! I preach the message of Christ straight from His Word. Jesus said people will hate those who preach His word because they hated ME (Jesus) first. Jesus was so hated for preaching the truth they killed him over it!! God loves you no matter what you've done in life. If you are a liar, thief, adulter why say your good?? "Most men will proclaim their own goodness" Jesus said if you hate someone then you've committed murder within your own heart. "None is good no not one" The commandments is to reveal to you how God sees sin!! Its a mirror. If your good you'll never repent and put your faith & trust into Jesus. The bible says God has placed eternity within you, and see thats exactly why you dont want to die!! God placed eternity within you so would go after HIM.....6 billion people in the world and no one wants to die. Jesus said people will have a hard time accepting His message...so He said FEW will go to heaven and many will go to bottomless pit. Jeusu said people will be offened because of HIM. and by the way I've never used this sight before [/ QUOTE ] bornagain, I understand the meat that you are sharing. I know that everything you have said is biblical truth. What I don't understand is where in your message is God's grace? All have sinned and fallen short of the kingdom of God. Yes!!! But God sent his Son that ALL might be saved. Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. Te law was given to help us to live in a manner that we would not be hurt by the evil in this world. But no one can live by the law. No not one. We don't throw the law out but are guided by it. The accuser of the brethern knows the law and uses it to condem us. "you have lied so you are a liar" "you have lusted so you are an adulter" all true BUT Jesus does not accuse us he has died so that we might recieve everlasting life. He loves us more than we love ourselves. He has made it so that we can come to God and ask him to forgive our sins not because we deserve it but because Jesus died to forgive us. Grace man Grace. You teach Grace like Jesus did and you will get attention. He didn't start out with the meat. He fed his children milk first. Then when they matured he fed them meat. I am just a sinner saved by the grace of God and I hunger for doing his will and knowing him on a personal level. I know that you mean well and given time you will be a great witness.Just know that I love you and want you to be all that the lord made you to be. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Grace gives us the ability to know when we can tell the truth. Know the Law Live be grace in the Spirt. God Bless You. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] buckee, Do you think more about hunting or Jesus?? "As a man thinks in his heart so is he" [/ QUOTE ] I don't have to answer that, on the grounds that it my incriminate me. Thank God for his grace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogdoc Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Amen Brother! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Hey buckee, I think you and I would be great friends. Great posts on here. I would like to know where this guy preaches and how many people he has in his congregation. I have been going to a church here in NC for about 6 years now. When I started going there were about 50 people that made up the entire church. Now six years later we are busting at the seems with almost 2000. And we are the furthest from a traditional church. But our Pastor preaches the gospel, that is undisputable, but he never condemns anyone, no matter what their past or present situation, he just shows them love, and it has spilled over to the church as a whole. So many lives have been changed because when people walk out of a service, they feel loved, not scolded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimfrompa Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Every time you tell a lie you feel bad why?? CON-SCIENCE which means with knowledge. . [/ QUOTE ] You could call it conscience I call the feeling of conviction the grace of god talking through the HOLY Spirt. Who is my helper. You still haven't shown me grace. If I was told all of the bad things i did before i was saved I would not be doing today. I would have said no to God and anything that would take me from my worldly pleasures. I was told that the God who created me and loved me sent his son Jesus to die for me that I might have everlasting life with him. Man that stopped me in my tracks. Later when I learned what all that Jesus had done was for me and his HOLY SPRIT filled me the evil started to peal off of me and I have come a long way. and keep growing with the help of the Holy Spirt. THe learning of the law{I still am learning} Has helped me to See the protection i receive by adhearing to the law as best I can. And being imperfect I fail. If I knew that I was going to fail I wouldn't have started. Now I know that I will fail and when I am convicted by the Holy Spirt of my failure I ask God fo his forgivness and he holds me in his arms of grace. and Forgives me. I still say that the need to teach grace is following the example of Jesus. Rom 7:5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. Rom 7:6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein, we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Living in the Spirt = Grace Living by the law = Accuser of the brethern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Did you even read my post? The point is that to teach the love of Christ, you need to use it. To answer your question, No, I don't think they wanted to hear about Jesus at the time. I think they wanted out of the building. Those who were Christains honestly probibly wanted to live a lot worse than they wanted to share the gospel at the time. If you had been in one of those stairwells preaching the gospel while others were trying to get out, you would have been trampled to death and died in vain trying to preach to those who wouldn't listen. What I am also sure about is that those who died on 9/11 who weren't Christains wish they had been saved, but at the time, they just wanted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Living in the Spirt = Grace Living by the law = Accuser of the brethern [/ QUOTE ] Q: Where do we get Grace? A: From Christ who died for us. Q: Who is our accuser (the one who uses the law to show that we are unworthy of grace)? A: The Deciever, The Enemy, The Serpent Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. 19. For I through the law am dead to the law, theat I might live unto God. 21. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, the Christ is dead in vain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Well, as a currently lukewarm person, I can say that I am not offended but at the least just a tad bit turned off by your apparent self-righteous attitude. I will say that last month while bending over my dying grandmothers bed I wept and rededicated my life to Christ and prayed for the Lord to take her out of her misery. Which was a completely opposite reaction I assumed would take place, I felt for a long time leading up to it that I would drift further from God when she died because what did this Godly woman do to deserve to die such a horrible cancerous death where she wasted away to an unrecognizable state. In all honesty, when she finally passed later on that night, I never felt closer to God then at that moment, watching her as she took her last earthly breath and then entered the kingdom, I also felt more at peace at that time than I had felt in a long, long time, and quite possibly ever. Am I perfect now, not in the least. Am I a good person, I believe I am, even with all my earthly tendencies, but Jesus is the only one able to look past my faults and see the person inside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? OK, I'm going to be blunt here. If you are trying to reach the lost, you are going to be sorely dissapointed with the attitude that you are giving off here. Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Rom: 10: 4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one tghat believeth. Rom: 3:27-28 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but of the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. I'm sorry here, but I see no love in anything you have written. As for getting deep. You obviously either havne't been on this forum before, or you are not very knowledgable of the bible. While many of us disagree on here about different subjects, when it comes to depths, you have yet to scratch the serfice of what we've already covered in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? As I was typing the response above I was actually thinking of you Sluggo. While Slugshooter and I often disagree and debate, I can't help but feel a bit of brotherly wrestling going on. I really enjoy the fight, and believe I'll get to meet him in heaven. (I'm sorry to hear about your grandmother, I hope to meet her someday too) I have no joy in this thread except that it has had me in the word more these passed two days. Bornagain, with the serious lack of love that you show on here, I have serious reservations in believing your screen name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? First of all, this is NOT directed at any one individual, but a certain style of preaching... Trying to "shock-save" (my new little catch-phrase) people just doesn't work in my opinion. It's probably as effective as the crash scene photos they show in driver's education. The whole, "Oh you think you're a good person...guess what....you're going to H-E-double-hockey-sticks!" approach to preaching turns my stomach. I am saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ's love--not by fear mongering street corner preachers. What brought me to Christ was not the fear of ****, but the love in the eyes of those who are saved. The Holy Spirit worked through them--God's love emanated from them. Nearly without words, i saw how accepting Christ would change my life. It is not he who preaches about salvation that draws those like me--and many others to Christ. Instead, it is the man who works 60 hours a week, struggles to live paycheck to paycheck, supports a family--and doesn't complain. instead, he smiles and the light of God is in his eyes because he has been blessed with the love of his wife, children, and the Lord. If that same man spends 500 hours a year hunting and two hours in a church there is no fault in God's eyes--because that man thanks God for every second he has to enjoy the woods that He created. Now I'm going to step down off of my soapbox...and into something very personal. Slugshooter, I want to offer my condolences for the loss of your grandmother. My prayers for the comfort of your family are en route--but at the same time I understand how her passing has edified your faith. On February 5, 2001, my father suddenly passed away at the age of 55. My family was absolutely devastated and recovering as a family has taken a long time. However, I still remember what happened that day. He was already gone. We were taken into a room near the ER to see his body. I couldn't talk. I felt as though my throat was going to close and I would choke on my tongue. It felt like my knees were going to buckle and I would crash to the ground. I touched his forearm and mouthed the words, "Goodbye, Dad." I was trembling and almost wanted to collapse, but I stood up. In my heart I felt an answer. "I'm not here." Those words, and a feeling of joy. Where it came from I do not know, but it comforted me. Through the funeral and even the few times I've been to the cemetary, it goes through my mind all the time. "I'm not here." He's not. He is with the Lord and I will see him again. Of all the things I know about the Lord, this is the most important. The things Jesus said are not a threat to me--but a promise of everlasting life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Ok, First off...I'm trying to witness to non-christians here. Then also I'm trying to reach the luke warm. So lets be sensitive to that. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] buckee, God never intended for grace to be a license to sin. [/ QUOTE ] Oh I see. So you have decided from these short conversations, that I am luke warm. I failed your HOTTT test did I. Your in my prayers also slugger. You see, grandma's faith wasn't in vane at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markyj987 Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Wow, Steve...if you're lukewarm...does that mean I should sacrifice my cat? LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Wow, Steve...if you're lukewarm...does that mean I should sacrifice my cat? LOL [/ QUOTE ] A cat is an "unclean" animal, you can't sacrifice it. DO you have a pegeon or goat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gator Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? People "preaching" in this manner are just one of the many reasons I will not go to church. Do I beleive in God, yes. Do I beleive in Heaven, yes. Do I go to church, No. Why, because I do not agree with the way church is conducted, at least from some of the things I have seen. the way born again has brought this approach on, just turns me off even more......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] People "preaching" in this manner are just one of the many reasons I will not go to church. Do I beleive in God, yes. Do I beleive in Heaven, yes. Do I go to church, No. Why, because I do not agree with the way church is conducted, at least from some of the things I have seen. the way born again has brought this approach on, just turns me off even more......... [/ QUOTE ] Bornagain- This responce is the point of all of the Christians on here. You may be sincere, but you not helping the cause of Christ, you are hurting it. Gator- The love of Christ can abound in your life in or out of Church, but it's a lot easier to live the life Christ wants us to if we are reminded of how to do it often. Don't let people like that persuade you that all Christians are like them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Well, good morning gentlemen!! Before I say anything to these resopnses let me ask an all important question that I really want to know: How are we supposed to witness ACCORDING to the Bible??? I would like to hear from all. Please include verses to. [/ QUOTE ] That ain't how it works around here bub. You got to answer our questions before we answer yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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