unioncountyslayer Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? And back to a question from a previous page, why won't you tell me the name of the church you resigned from???? ???????????????????????????? Are you trying to hide something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? "As a man thinks in his heart so is he". Where is this in the Bible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? So what your saying is that we should all give up deer hunting like you, and go evangelizing. Is that correct? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] So what your saying is that we should all give up deer hunting like you, and go evangelizing. Is that correct? [/ QUOTE ] Let's see..........I believe that is what he would be saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Maybe you could interpret this for us then, not that it needs interpretation. 1 Corinthians 12 1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant. 2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led. 3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. 4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal. 8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit; 9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit; 10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues: 11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will. 12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ. 13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. 14 For the body is not one member, but many. 15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body? 17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling? 18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him. 19 And if they were all one member, where were the body? 20 But now are they many members, yet but one body. 21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you. 22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary: 23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness. 24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked: 25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another. 26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it. 27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular. 28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles? 30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret? 31 But covet earnestly the best gifts: and yet shew I unto you a more excellent way.]/b] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] You know when deer season is about to begin and your excitement level is way up. All you think about is opening day or the rut and seeing a P&Y. You know its hard to sleep before the big hunt. Trail pictures tell you of a good buck. You set up your stands and hours of scouting. Days and hours of practise shooting your bow. Well tuning your broaheads. We know that feeling...we can almost smell it in the air when season is approaching. This is how I was for 23 years. I loose my fire, zeal for God around this time....I stop almost thinking about lost souls. My affections are on earth. I become so EXTREME for deer hunting. I become passion-less for Jesus. I miss church more often during season. I pray less, O I try to please my conscience by praying grandma prayers. I think about God in the stand here & there. BUT imagine all that time all that energy could be put into the Kindom of God...what soul winners we would be!! "As a man thinks in his heart so is he" I dont know about you but I want to die on FIRE for Jesus. I have killed some P&y's but in heaven wheres my reward. How many souls did it cost for me to poor myself into something temporal??? Just a thought. [/ QUOTE ] I get that way too,..................... the night befor the hunt. I don't miss church to hunt. Does that make me a better Christian than you? No, just more reliable. You know bornagain, I was raised in a cult where we were tought that the bible was true, but we didn't learn all of the bible. We focused mainly on "Good works" and living by the law. We lived a fearfull life void of the love that is in Christ Jesus. (Much like you seem to be) When I finally did accept Christ as my Lord, I poured myself into the word and read all of it, re-read much of it and went back and forth between scriptures so that I could better understand the context in which they were intended. (Maybe you should try that) You appear to most of us (myself included) on here as an unlearned person who spouts of at the mouth with noting to back it up. You, like many undeveloped Christians, seem to know what you believe, but have know real idea why. Just because you get a "warm fuzzy" when you dream up one of these "scritures" doesnt' mean that it came from the father. Believing something because grandma, my paster or even Billy Graham or just feeling really confident about it, is not good enogh. Normally when that happens to me, I go try to find it in His word, so I know the source. If it's not in God's Word that leaves only one other choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
texastrophies Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? OK, I usually stay out of this area, with reason. But I happened to drop in today and feel like I just have to reply. This is a question for you bornagain. A quick history of me, went to church nearly everys sunday when I was a kid, and kind of got out of the habit since then. Yea, I believe in god, heaven and all of that, but I have a couple of questions. 1. Could you please give me the history of the Bible. I am talking about when it was actually written and by whom, on what, in which language? Where is the original one? Are the copies we have now exactly what the original one said? How do you know? Was anything ever lost in the translations? One word changed or left out or added could make a lot of difference, you know. I guess that was more than one question, but they were all on the same topic. 2. I live around Houston, Tx. and just by watching the rate and size that new churches are built to, makes me thing that just maybe the word of the lord is not the only reason for them. Do you get paid for what you do? Is that the only reason you do it? Would you do it if they did not pay you? Thank you for your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Have you guys heard of dying to self before??....YES Does your church even preach it??....YES Now, I would like to ask you another question. Why do you come into this house preaching AT people, if you are unprepared to answer their questions ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Brothers, Do your children see Jesus in you?? Do they see a gentle spirit, love, love toward your wife. Accounts of revival coming..... [/ QUOTE ] My second year teaching an older high school student came to me and told me that she had been saved and had some questions for me. The other band director oftern talked about church and reading the bible, I never really did much. I asked her why she didn't ask him. Her reply "I know you don't talk about being a Christian and church all the time like Mr. Steele does. We just know you are". That is the single greatest complement I've ever gotten and I'll never forget it, or forget they are watching me. I jsut don't get that feeling from you bornagain. I'm sorry, I just don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
preacherman Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Brother, let me be the first to stand and say to you that I apologize to you if I, we, have offended you in any way shape or form. I believe with all of my heart that your desire is right. But I would also be the first to say that your delivery is wrong. I would love to see true, heaven sent, sin killing, CHrist honoring revival come to the church. But preaching and sharing is not holding someone down and shoving it down their throat to make them eat it. And it is not going to get the job done either. Heck man, my wife doesn't like peas today because her mother made her eat them every meal when she was growing up. I think she is unamerican, but that is besides the point! Preaching is bringing people to a choice and letting them make the choice for themselves. How many times in the gospel, did you see Jesus telling a person to come here and sit down so that I can tell you like it is? None........but rather, when He saw the multitude (Matt. 9) He was moved with compassion because they were as sheep having no shepherd. It breaks my heart just like it does yours to see the complacency in the church. It breaks my heart when folks won't get right and live right. But I had to come to the conclusion a long time ago that all that I can do is love them and compassionatley give them the gospel.........if they reject that, then their blood is off my hands. And my friend compassion and passion and fire and zeal is not making someone look down a gun barrel and then lead them to the Lord. Compassion is loving them inspite of them and showing them that Christ loves them in the same manner. When I would hear statements come from the mouths of those who said, "I don't go to church because of the way people act there" I would get so irate that I couldn't see straight and I would say, "They are just lost and they don't know the difference!" But God convicted me of this attitude and gently told me that I was part of the problem and not part of the solution. Truth be known, church is one of the hardest places sometimes to be.........because it is built around sinners just like me and you and everyone else in this world, for that matter. And I fear with all of my heart that if we don't change that attitude and picture that the world sees........that there will be a generation that will die lost and go to **** and it will be all our fault. And I believe with all of my heart, that this is the way that Jesus felt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buckee Posted February 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Well stated Scott, and praise the Lord. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Well stated Scott, and praise the Lord. [/ QUOTE ] Preach on Brother, preach on......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Great post Scott! I just got home from Church and to No surprise, the message tonight really related to a lot that has been said on here today. My pastor was preaching/teaching on how faith without works is dead and vise versa. He made the analogy that between James and Paul's teachings faith and works was like a marriage. He talked about how if someone says they are saved, but havn't had even the slightest life change, then it's probably because they were scared into asking to be saved, but not truely letting Christ into their heart. Or someone just gave them a warm fuzzy and never helped to mature them. I can't explain it as well as he did, but you get the point. I wonder how many of these people bornagain has frightened into giving their life, but with no life change after the "smoke" clears? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? The main point of the sermon was that your actions tell a lot about your faith. That if you have truely accepted Jesus into your heart, your life will change and people will notice. You will show the fruits of this rebirth like love, compassion, peace, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Texastrophie, the King James version of the bible was written I think around 1400, don't remember exactly, that may not even be the right century. It was written from text that had been handed down from the catholic church to the church of England. The books in it were picked by comparing all the avalible scrolls and making sure that they were not contridictory. The thought being (I think) If one contradicts the majority or even a few of the others then it can't be accurate. I think the Old Testimant is the same as the Jewish bible, but couldn't swear to it. Then they were translated from the original Hebrew, Greek and Aribic to the English language as it was spoken at the time by the aristocrocy. The problems with the King James, and there are problems is that, while accurate in the time it was written and for the people it was written, today there are too many words that have changed meaning throughout the years for it to be accurate. Unless of course you know and understand Elizabethan English. There are more accurate interpretations out there today, one of which is the Coleman standard bible. Which took the original text in their original forms and translated to modern day American English. (Which differs from the English language as spoken in some other countries). There are still other translations that were transposed directly from the KJV. The problem with this is that if the translators didn't go back to the origninal there would be descrepencies between the original Greek, Hebrew and Aribic and the new translation that may not have been there between the KJV and the Original. We must assume that with the evilution of the English language that there are many words that change meaning every generation. For those of you who believe only the KJV is accurate I say this. If you don't have a true grasp of Old English text and have to have someone explain realtively simple things in the KJV wouldn't you like a bible that already says it in a way you can understand. For instance in Old English this statement. "I found it to be Gaudy and Arificial" means something totally different than what most of us think. Gaudy and Aritficial could be complementing a beutifull cathedral. Gaudy was something of God and artificial was something covered with a lot of artwork. Look at the word "Bad" when I was in high school "Bad" meant "good" in certain situations. The statement "That's a bad car" meant something completely different in 1965 then it did in 1986. To answer another part of you question. Much of the the bible was written by those who are in it. Moses was the author of the first 5 books. Joshua, Samuel, posiibly Nathan, Jeremiah, Ezra. Many books of the bible were named after the author and others for the main characters The new testiment was written mostly by the original Apostles (except of course Judis Ascariat) and Paul. To believe the origins & accuracy of the bible takes two things Tex. 1 To read and understand it. 2. Faith I personally believe that if you do the first the second will come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Now we're getting somewhere.... I know I come off stong. I pushed some buttons.... Evangelist raise funds...revivalist raise h e l l. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not really sure where your coming from there. Please explain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unioncountyslayer Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? "Accounts of real revivals coming soon..." Why don't you just get on with it. And what was the name of the church you resigned from? Last time I'll ask you that. If you choose to not answer it, I'll just believe you're hiding something from all of us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Interesting posts. John, Jesus preached on the lake of fire more than heaven. And the Bible says He came for our example. [/ QUOTE ] And he preached more about money than anything else if I remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Do you honestly think that pounding out sermons on **** and frightening people into the faith is the route you want to go? Because of preachers like you is one of the reasons I fell out of the church for a short time. [/ QUOTE ] Mine also. That's why, even though I generally have no respect either for TV preachers, I have been listening to Joel Osteen lately, mainly because instead of telling everyone how bad they are, he preaches of Christ's love and forgiveness, and that there is hope in this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] And your point with 12 or 13 years old....well, He wasnt infilled with the Holy Ghost yet. [/ QUOTE ] So Jesus Christ, God in earthly, bodily form, did not have the Holy Spirit in him, even though the fullness of the Godhead resided in him bodily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? Slugshooter, You gotta admit bud, It's a strange thread where you and I totally agree. This has got to be one for the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Ok? You need a verse?...The soul the sins it shall die! God said man must die because of the fall. I think were playing with words now and plus we're way off topic. [/ QUOTE ] My interpretation of man having to die because of Adams fall in the garden of eden means a spiritual death. I don't believe it meant a literal death, that if Adam hadn't sinned that we would all have lived forever. If Adam hadn't sinned, there would have been no need for Christ to come and shed his blood for the sins of mankind thus giving us eternal life if we accept Christ as our savior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slugshooter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] Slugshooter, You gotta admit bud, It's a strange thread where you and I totally agree. This has got to be one for the books. [/ QUOTE ] Getting pretty freaky isn't it. I'm not such a bad guy after all am I. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnf Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Slugshooter, You gotta admit bud, It's a strange thread where you and I totally agree. This has got to be one for the books. [/ QUOTE ] Getting pretty freaky isn't it. I'm not such a bad guy after all am I. [/ QUOTE ] Let's not get carried away here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TreeStandBowHunter Posted February 9, 2006 Report Share Posted February 9, 2006 Re: Are you a good person?? People wonder why others get turned away from religion. This is a prime example. Everytime a religious thread get's started, it's always a "Your wrong and I am right"..or "That is not the correct way"...or "No, the bible really says this"... Just my 02! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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